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Post by Perd on Jul 9, 2014 9:13:18 GMT -5
What about that time Chyna's fake titty popped?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 9:16:13 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler has the same haircut here as everyone I went to middle school with in the '90s.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 9, 2014 9:21:35 GMT -5
How about Big Show? Million dollar a year contract, shot into the main event, repeatedly, never sticks, had to be sent to lose weight more than once, never sold a ton of merch or had particularly memorable angles outside wrestlecrap ones.
Even last year they tried to get Daniel Bryan's heat onto him to get him in the main event, and he ended the year in a diaper dancing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 9, 2014 9:23:42 GMT -5
How about Big Show? Million dollar a year contract, shot into the main event, repeatedly, never sticks, had to be sent to lose weight more than once, never sold a ton of merch or had particularly memorable angles outside wrestlecrap ones. Even last year they tried to get Daniel Bryan's heat onto him to get him in the main event, and he ended the year in a diaper dancing. Show is Far from the worst Bust in WWE's history to me. I don't know I just can't hate Big Show, I'll admit he's been stuck in some crap storylines and such but in comparison to some others, I think Show's done alright.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 9:30:22 GMT -5
Nathan Jones, and it's not even close, if we're talking invested money, effort, and time for nothing in return. He was bad enough to where even marks knew he was godawful. This. The only thing he'll be remembered for was that he helped the Undertaker beat A-Train and Big Show at WrestleMania XIX, but since that's Big Evil Undertaker, that's a highlight that's rarely shown.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 9, 2014 9:30:49 GMT -5
Awwww Show's headed for the hall of fame, can't be a bust...
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 9, 2014 9:37:30 GMT -5
He couldn't stay healthy DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was a botch machine DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was outshined by 58 year old Mysterio DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was just...replaced AT LEAST HE BECAME AN AWESOME MEME Compared to what they paid him, and all the medical treatment he required, it's a wonder WWE is still in business. As for Orton, I have definitely seen some greatness out of him over the years, and he moves the merch as well. He's also a nearly perfect worker in terms of what WWE is looking for. Never cared for the Sin Cara memes, myself, but yes. He sold enough merch to offset what they paid to get him, appealed to a key demographic and he has never been pushed in the way a guy like Orton has been. Randy Orton has appeared in the main event of nearly 5 dozen WWE PPVs, as well as countless more episodes of Raw and Smackdown, for that sort of investment to be worthwhile he should be as good as Cena, but he's not, he's not even close, he's not even as good as a Jeff Hardy, Punk or Edge. He's received the sort of extended push that should go to a guy who absolutely nails everything he does, but he doesn't, he's adequate. Orton is the perfect WWE worker in the sense that he's never going to leave them because he doesn't have the natural charisma that could get him gigs elsewhere that would pay as well as wrestling, but that doesn't mean their investment in him has been worthwhile.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 9, 2014 9:37:44 GMT -5
Awwww Show's headed for the hall of fame, can't be a bust... Someone who has given us unforgettable moments like these is far from a Bust
Outrageous I say!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 9, 2014 9:39:20 GMT -5
He couldn't stay healthy DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was a botch machine DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was outshined by 58 year old Mysterio DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was just...replaced AT LEAST HE BECAME AN AWESOME MEME Compared to what they paid him, and all the medical treatment he required, it's a wonder WWE is still in business. As for Orton, I have definitely seen some greatness out of him over the years, and he moves the merch as well. He's also a nearly perfect worker in terms of what WWE is looking for. Never cared for the Sin Cara memes, myself, but yes. He sold enough merch to offset what they paid to get him, appealed to a key demographic and he has never been pushed in the way a guy like Orton has been. Randy Orton has appeared in the main event of nearly 5 dozen WWE PPVs, as well as countless more episodes of Raw and Smackdown, for that sort of investment to be worthwhile he should be as good as Cena, but he's not, he's not even close, he's not even as good as a Jeff Hardy, Punk or Edge. He's received the sort of extended push that should go to a guy who absolutely nails everything he does, but he doesn't, he's adequate. Orton is the perfect WWE worker in the sense that he's never going to leave them because he doesn't have the natural charisma that could get him gigs elsewhere that would pay as well as wrestling, but that doesn't mean their investment in him has been worthwhile. Well considering he's probably failed the Wellness Policy enough times to fire half of the locker room, safe to say unless he shoots someone backstage his job is safe as long as he's able to compete...
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 9, 2014 9:42:47 GMT -5
How about Big Show? Million dollar a year contract, shot into the main event, repeatedly, never sticks, had to be sent to lose weight more than once, never sold a ton of merch or had particularly memorable angles outside wrestlecrap ones. Even last year they tried to get Daniel Bryan's heat onto him to get him in the main event, and he ended the year in a diaper dancing. Show is Far from the worst Bust in WWE's history to me. I don't know I just can't hate Big Show, I'll admit he's been stuck in some crap storylines and such but in comparison to some others, I think Show's done alright. I like the guy, he's extremely underated, but looking at what they put in compared to what they got out, he's a total bust.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 9, 2014 10:02:52 GMT -5
What are you so mad about?
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Oh... well you should expect these types of comments by now... it's Orton, he's on level if not more insulted at this point than Cena by the Internet so... yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 10:08:23 GMT -5
He couldn't stay healthy DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was a botch machine DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was outshined by 58 year old Mysterio DOESN'T MATTER SOLD MERCH He was just...replaced AT LEAST HE BECAME AN AWESOME MEME Compared to what they paid him, and all the medical treatment he required, it's a wonder WWE is still in business. As for Orton, I have definitely seen some greatness out of him over the years, and he moves the merch as well. He's also a nearly perfect worker in terms of what WWE is looking for. Never cared for the Sin Cara memes, myself, but yes. He sold enough merch to offset what they paid to get him, appealed to a key demographic and he has never been pushed in the way a guy like Orton has been. Randy Orton has appeared in the main event of nearly 5 dozen WWE PPVs, as well as countless more episodes of Raw and Smackdown, for that sort of investment to be worthwhile he should be as good as Cena, but he's not, he's not even close, he's not even as good as a Jeff Hardy, Punk or Edge. He's received the sort of extended push that should go to a guy who absolutely nails everything he does, but he doesn't, he's adequate. Orton is the perfect WWE worker in the sense that he's never going to leave them because he doesn't have the natural charisma that could get him gigs elsewhere that would pay as well as wrestling, but that doesn't mean their investment in him has been worthwhile. Orton being good enough, over enough, and healthy enough to have that long a career and main event all those shows IS the return on the investment. That's what you call a cornerstone. Orton is in that spot because he's super dependable and safe in the ring, and despite popular opinion here, he is very over with fans. And anyway, we're comparing him to Sin Cara. The guy couldn't be depended on to have a good match/not f*** up/not hurt himself week in and week out. There's no contest here. Reliability, or lack there of, goes a long way when discussing busts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 10:12:23 GMT -5
If we're defining a bust as "amount WWE put in vs. how much WWE got back," I'd honestly say Miz has to be up there.
Here's a guy who was part of one of the most successful WWE tag teams of the past 10 or so years with a breakup angle designed specifically to put him over. He was involved in an angle with Bret Hart while holding three championships simultaneously. He had heel Michael Cole constantly, for about a year and a half, cheerlead him on commentary. And say what you will about his reign, but he won the title from one of WWE's golden boys and retained in the main event of WrestleMania against the face of the company.
What has he had to show for so much investment? Constant mediocrity. For his vaunted mic skills he's had one legitimately good promo in his career (the "crumbs on a gym bag" promo, and even then I'd argue MVP out-performed him), and he's had a handful of good matches that have all involved much better workers. That in no way justifies such a huge investment that still goes on even today - after all, regular midcard dudes don't get angles where the company desperately tries to get them over as the next Ric Flair.
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Post by bob on Jul 9, 2014 10:29:37 GMT -5
Zeus and Brakkus come to mind
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 9, 2014 10:33:05 GMT -5
*strolls into thread*
We're talking individual talents right? Because otherwise it's the InVasion and there is absolutely zero argument against that. At all.
On the individual talent scale though, I'm not sure who I'd pick.
*strolls out of thread*
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 9, 2014 10:41:06 GMT -5
Orton being good enough, over enough, and healthy enough to have that long a career and main event all those shows IS the return on the investment. That's what you call a cornerstone. Orton is in that spot because he's super dependable and safe in the ring, and despite popular opinion here, he is very over with fans. And anyway, we're comparing him to Sin Cara. The guy couldn't be depended on to have a good match/not f*** up/not hurt himself week in and week out. There's no contest here. Reliability, or lack there of, goes a long way when discussing busts. Reliability isn't enough to justify being in nearly 60 main events, he wasn't put in that slot because other people kept getting injured, because no other guys were available, he was put in that slot because the WWE wanted him to be a star from the very beginning, the kind of guy who could be the face of the company, and on that front it has been a bust. I also question Orton's reliability given how the company has worked around his issues, keeping his push going while he's injured rather than trying someone else in his spot, lets not forget that he's had numerous shoulder injuries, gotten suspended for his overall conduct and they've had to shift the goalposts to avoid having to fire him for wellness violations. Orton is over, that is not in question, however he is not over enough to justify the effort put in to get him to this point. They justifiably gave up on Mistico Sin Cara becoming the star they had hoped, yet the Orton project continues.
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Post by keezy on Jul 9, 2014 10:45:07 GMT -5
I have no idea why they don't just push Hunico as Sin Cara now, Rey is still out and Sin Cara's target audience (kids) don't care who's behind the mask, nor do they even notice, I have even seen kids wearing the mask in public recently. He got a mini push when that Scooby Doo movie came out but now you barely ever see him, at least put him on Smackdown or something. Cara's target audience was not children. He was targeted at Hispanic (Mexican specifically) viewers who KNOW that it's not the same guy. On top of that it's probably because Hunico was never particularly very good as "high flying lucha-spectacle" like the Sin Cara gimmick is supposed to be. He is much better when he's doing his mat based offense. Really it's both, much like Rey Mysterio. I'm in the UK and Rey and Sin Cara are very popular with kids.
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Post by TGM on Jul 9, 2014 10:52:35 GMT -5
I think during Lesnar's first year they invested in him so heavily that post-Wrestlemania 20 just seems like a big blur to me without him. He was the only thing that really kept me watching WWE regularly after the Invasion. I think they did well to bring Cena and Batista to the top in his absence, but they must've had plans for Lesnar for the next fifteen years when he decided to quit, I think that's the biggest bust.
I don't see him as the biggest bust when he won titles, had good matches, and beat the streak.
Yeah he left, and yeah it was really horribly timed but I don't consider Lesnar a bust considering he will go into the Hall of Fame without a doubt now.
Lesnar had the greatest rookie year and is probably a hall of famer on all his accomplishments in that first year alone. Still to me it feels like we missed out on eight years of him and WWE so that to me, is bust.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 9, 2014 11:01:54 GMT -5
Sin Cara got a fn press conference announcing his signing, he was done since day one, they never send him to FCW to learn wwe style, he never learned English, there was a rumor that he was signed just so he could face mysterio in wrestlemania and give every audience member a mask so that they could break a Guinness world record, he had good matches with Chavo because he was a good base to him (catch him on his high flying moves) other talent didn't knew what to do with him and I believe Del Rio went out of his way to make him look bad (there was a rumor that when they worked in Mexico, Cara pulled a gun on Alberto when they were having a heated argument), the final straw came when he hurt his finger and asked the referee to stop the match when a guy like Bryan yelled at triple h for telling the ref to end his match when he hurt himself on that suicide dive, can't imagine that going well backstage with the boys.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 9, 2014 11:14:37 GMT -5
Kennedy!
...Kennedy.
No I'm serious. If there was one guy that had so much smoke blown up his ass to be the next great superstar, it was him. Forget guys who were "chosen" like D-Mac or Burke, they never made it out of the midcard except for Elimination Chamber 2011 for Drew. Kennedy worked with Cena, Orton, HBK, Taker, VINCE MCMAHON and Batista during his time. They gave him main event chance after chance after chance. And he managed to get injuried, run his big mouth, and piss off the top guys so much that he's basically blacklisted until Orton and Cena retire because he's pissed them off one too many times.
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