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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 9, 2014 11:19:03 GMT -5
Kennedy! ...Kennedy. No I'm serious. If there was one guy that had so much smoke blown up his ass to be the next great superstar, it was him. Forget guys who were "chosen" like D-Mac or Burke, they never made it out of the midcard except for Elimination Chamber 2011 for Drew. Kennedy worked with Cena, Orton, HBK, Taker, VINCE MCMAHON and Batista during his time. They gave him main event chance after chance after chance. And he managed to get injuried, run his big mouth, and piss off the top guys so much that he's basically blacklisted until Orton and Cena retire because he's pissed them off one too many times. This is a good choice. They kept trying to put him into major storylines only for him to get wellnessed or injured like immediately beforehand.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 9, 2014 11:30:24 GMT -5
I think the last time somebody posted a poll along these lines, something like either Biggest Bust or Least Memorable Push, or something like that, I picked Kennedy, so I'm still sticking with Kennedy.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 9, 2014 11:31:38 GMT -5
Dave Batidta winning the Rumble?
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jul 9, 2014 11:34:50 GMT -5
JR's boy, Dr. Death.
He was brought in because they knew he would win a shoot toughman competition, the Brawl-For-All, and then use this newfound badass legitimacy to feud with Steve Austin during arguably the hottest point in wrestling history. They were so confident in him that they allegedly paid him the winner's purse for the Brawl-For-All before the tournament ever even began. He was then knocked out by Bart Gunn and only used one or two other times afterwards.
Maybe not the biggest bust of all time from a pure money standpoint, but one of the biggest when you consider just how high their expectations were.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 11:50:57 GMT -5
Orton being good enough, over enough, and healthy enough to have that long a career and main event all those shows IS the return on the investment. That's what you call a cornerstone. Orton is in that spot because he's super dependable and safe in the ring, and despite popular opinion here, he is very over with fans. And anyway, we're comparing him to Sin Cara. The guy couldn't be depended on to have a good match/not f*** up/not hurt himself week in and week out. There's no contest here. Reliability, or lack there of, goes a long way when discussing busts. Reliability isn't enough to justify being in nearly 60 main events, he wasn't put in that slot because other people kept getting injured, because no other guys were available, he was put in that slot because the WWE wanted him to be a star from the very beginning, the kind of guy who could be the face of the company, and on that front it has been a bust. I also question Orton's reliability given how the company has worked around his issues, keeping his push going while he's injured rather than trying someone else in his spot, lets not forget that he's had numerous shoulder injuries, gotten suspended for his overall conduct and they've had to shift the goalposts to avoid having to fire him for wellness violations. Orton is over, that is not in question, however he is not over enough to justify the effort put in to get him to this point. They justifiably gave up on Mistico Sin Cara becoming the star they had hoped, yet the Orton project continues. Why would they give up on Orton, though? They made the guy one of the biggest stars in wrestling, and he's right there. Why wouldn't you continue to use him as a main eventer? Sin Cara's faults made it impossible to stick with him, he was a liability. We're losing the point of the conversation here. You're calling Randy Orton one of the biggest busts in WWE history. Orton is like a 1st round draft pick. They wanted him to be a main eventer, and he has filled that role for 10 years now, while staying over and doing quality work (sometimes uninspired, sometimes amazing, always solid). Meanwhile, Sin Cara was pegged as Rey Mysterio's successor and as a big draw for the Latino fanbase. He was like a 1st round pick himself. They wanted so, so badly for Sin Cara to work. He lasted 2-3 crappy years and got bodyswapped. Sin Cara is a bigger bust, based on all measureables.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 9, 2014 11:52:29 GMT -5
Kennedy! ...Kennedy. No I'm serious. If there was one guy that had so much smoke blown up his ass to be the next great superstar, it was him. Forget guys who were "chosen" like D-Mac or Burke, they never made it out of the midcard except for Elimination Chamber 2011 for Drew. Kennedy worked with Cena, Orton, HBK, Taker, VINCE MCMAHON and Batista during his time. They gave him main event chance after chance after chance. And he managed to get injuried, run his big mouth, and piss off the top guys so much that he's basically blacklisted until Orton and Cena retire because he's pissed them off one too many times. Absolutely spot on. He's my clear cut pick
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 9, 2014 11:55:38 GMT -5
Anyone who picks Orton has a serious agenda. I'm far from his biggest fan, but he's FAR from being a major bust
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 12:00:12 GMT -5
If he's not number 1, he's at least top 5.
People grossly underestimate just how big a deal Mistico was before he came to the WWE. We're talking about one of the biggest ticket sellers on earth during a really good period for CMLL. There's a reason they heavily promoted his signing and immediately brought him to TV. He's that big a deal. Running him through FCW would have made people wonder where the hell he was. It'd be like if they signed Tanahashi or something today and sent him down there. People would be stunned no matter how much sense it made. He was a HUGE star they clearly thought would be a big main eventer and instead he sank like a stone.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jul 9, 2014 12:03:25 GMT -5
Anyone who picks Orton has a serious agenda. I'm far from his biggest fan, but he's FAR from being a major bust It's about what they got out of him though. They gave him so many chances because they thought he'd be a break out star. They put him in movies (like the Miz) and if he retired tomorrow, hardly anyone would miss him, especially if they let someone else do a cutter. Sure he main evented tons but only because they put him there. He's no better than someone like say, Hardcore Holly. If Orton went to Impact tomorrow, do you think ratings would move even one point? I don't. It's Orton and Miz for me, when you take into account how much was invested compared to how much was returned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 12:08:09 GMT -5
Mistico in the Sin Cara mask was a bust.
Hunico has not even been given a fair shot at this point, I feel like he is being made to pay for Mistico's mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 12:08:42 GMT -5
The answer is always Sin Cara, they brought him in to bring in the Hispanic demographic and continue their expansion into Mexico and he completely and utterly failed in every way possible.They were going to push him as a main eventer but never had the chance because he sucked so much.
No one else that has been mentioned was brought in to be that important.
Orton!? What the hell!?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 9, 2014 12:17:37 GMT -5
Orton being good enough, over enough, and healthy enough to have that long a career and main event all those shows IS the return on the investment. That's what you call a cornerstone. Orton is in that spot because he's super dependable and safe in the ring, and despite popular opinion here, he is very over with fans. And anyway, we're comparing him to Sin Cara. The guy couldn't be depended on to have a good match/not f*** up/not hurt himself week in and week out. There's no contest here. Reliability, or lack there of, goes a long way when discussing busts. Reliability isn't enough to justify being in nearly 60 main events, he wasn't put in that slot because other people kept getting injured, because no other guys were available, he was put in that slot because the WWE wanted him to be a star from the very beginning, the kind of guy who could be the face of the company, and on that front it has been a bust. I also question Orton's reliability given how the company has worked around his issues, keeping his push going while he's injured rather than trying someone else in his spot, lets not forget that he's had numerous shoulder injuries, gotten suspended for his overall conduct and they've had to shift the goalposts to avoid having to fire him for wellness violations. Orton is over, that is not in question, however he is not over enough to justify the effort put in to get him to this point. They justifiably gave up on Mistico Sin Cara becoming the star they had hoped, yet the Orton project continues. I agree. John Cena is their golden boy, but he's the guy they settled for because their real golden boy Randy Orton has a lot of issues. If Orton were a model employee, Cena would've been thrown under the bus a long time ago.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 9, 2014 12:18:41 GMT -5
Anyone who picks Orton has a serious agenda. I'm far from his biggest fan, but he's FAR from being a major bust It's about what they got out of him though. They gave him so many chances because they thought he'd be a break out star. They put him in movies (like the Miz) and if he retired tomorrow, hardly anyone would miss him, especially if they let someone else do a cutter. Sure he main evented tons but only because they put him there. He's no better than someone like say, Hardcore Holly. If Orton went to Impact tomorrow, do you think ratings would move even one point? I don't. It's Orton and Miz for me, when you take into account how much was invested compared to how much was returned. I disagreed with you off the bat, but the line about him being no better than Hardcore Holly is just silly. They put him in the main event (and he's stayed there) because for the vast majority of his run outside of Cena, has been the most consistant popular/over guy they've had for the last decade. I get you don't like the guy, but come on.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 9, 2014 12:34:49 GMT -5
Given that these days, the WWE's version of "putting a lot into someone" is maybe giving them one video package, having them beat some jobbers, MAYBE a poorly thought-out feud, sometimes a title win with no inertia or purpose, and then sitting back and watching them fail to justify that their company is a meritocracy, I'm really not sure this kind of thing applies to anyone that's been around in the past decade.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Jul 9, 2014 12:35:45 GMT -5
The Marine movies
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 9, 2014 12:40:57 GMT -5
... have all made a profit.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jul 9, 2014 12:49:02 GMT -5
It's about what they got out of him though. They gave him so many chances because they thought he'd be a break out star. They put him in movies (like the Miz) and if he retired tomorrow, hardly anyone would miss him, especially if they let someone else do a cutter. Sure he main evented tons but only because they put him there. He's no better than someone like say, Hardcore Holly. If Orton went to Impact tomorrow, do you think ratings would move even one point? I don't. It's Orton and Miz for me, when you take into account how much was invested compared to how much was returned. I disagreed with you off the bat, but the line about him being no better than Hardcore Holly is just silly. They put him in the main event (and he's stayed there) because for the vast majority of his run outside of Cena, has been the most consistant popular/over guy they've had for the last decade. I get you don't like the guy, but come on. I don't think it's silly. Holly had a lengthy run, just wasn't placed in main events. He was slightly above average in ring, average on the mic. Sounds like Orton to me. It's not that I don't like him. I'm indifferent to him. He's good, but not great. Considering he was pushed harder than almost anyone, I consider that a bust.
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Post by Supercheese on Jul 9, 2014 12:55:18 GMT -5
Goldberg, Steiner, the NWO.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 9, 2014 12:56:20 GMT -5
*Sin Cara shakes head*
*points to Ultimo Dragon*
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Jul 9, 2014 12:57:01 GMT -5
... have all made a profit. Puts me in my place and shows what I know! Maybe because I think they're shit (or the first one at least - not seen the others for that very reason) is why I can only assume they never generated any $ Don't mind being wrong, fair play!
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