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Post by Crimson on Jul 11, 2014 14:07:45 GMT -5
Crazy stuff...still...Spurs are going to likely repeat. This is the first time in a long time that I'm genuinely surprised with the NBA. With the Heat likely out of the mix, the Cavs need to rebuild, the Nets are old, the Knicks have their problems, and the Celtics are unsteady, the Pacers are unsteady...I don't see any champions coming out of the east any time soon. And if possible, if someone can knock off the Spurs...we might possibly get a turnaround that the NBA so desperately needs. One of the things that has bugged me for so long is how the old guard continues to dominate year after year. We could possibly see some change. The West is looking more stacked than last year though with Houston possibly getting Bosh. Rockets, Clippers, and a hopefully healthy OKC will make for an interesting playoff journey.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 11, 2014 14:32:45 GMT -5
I have to wonder if Lebron pushed for the Heat to get Shabazz Napier knowing he was already going back to Cleveland and he wanted to at least make sure they had something promising for the future.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jul 11, 2014 14:34:02 GMT -5
if someone can knock off the Spurs With their lineup, anything less than a repeat will be a disappointment
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jul 11, 2014 16:03:26 GMT -5
I assume, being American Sports fans afterall, that Cleveland will forget they ever hated LeBron.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 11, 2014 16:16:15 GMT -5
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Post by angryfan on Jul 11, 2014 16:53:46 GMT -5
I assume, being American Sports fans afterall, that Cleveland will forget they ever hated LeBron. As a lifelong Cleveland sports fan (Indians and Browns mainly, but I grew up with the Brad Daugherty/Mark Price Cavs)I am on record earlier as saying that if he signed with Cleveland, I really don't want the Cavs to win the damn title. I'm sorry, but "I was just chasing a title" when he already had the team in the finals and left anyway just screams of "I wanted the money, but now I'm coming home so stop hating me". He will keep winning individual awards, he is surrounded by number one draft picks but not a team. He's a complete player but a shoot first pass second guy unless he's got guys who HE sees as on his level. Cleveland doesn't have that, and so it'll be the LeBron and Friends Show which accomplishes nothing.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 16:56:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 17:17:44 GMT -5
To borrow wrestling lingo, has LeBron turned face today?
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Post by vm88 on Jul 11, 2014 17:38:26 GMT -5
To borrow wrestling lingo, has LeBron turned face today? In the eyes of Cleveland fans, yes. As far as Heat fans are concerned, from what I've been hearing on South Florida sports radio, there's a feeling of disappointment that he's no longer with the Heat, but most people here (like myself) are thanking him for 4 great seasons of Miami Heat basketball. I hear people saying that Pat Riley will try and re-build this team (not re-tool like he said in that press conference), but it may take a few years to do that. We re-signed Bosh, we might get Wade back, but who knows what else will happen?
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Post by JTH on Jul 11, 2014 17:40:17 GMT -5
HEY GUYS! HAVE YOU HEARD!?
LEBRON'S GOING BACK TO CLEVELAND!!!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2014 17:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by RI Richmark on Jul 11, 2014 18:09:25 GMT -5
Yeah, there's no way that the draft lottery isn't fixed. NBA is faker than WWE. I think the lottery is stupid and should be abolished buy I don't think it's fixed. I can't see the owners of the 13 other teams in the lottery getting together and saying "Yeah, lets give the #1 pick to Cleveland again."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 18:38:55 GMT -5
I assume, being American Sports fans afterall, that Cleveland will forget they ever hated LeBron. As a lifelong Cleveland sports fan (Indians and Browns mainly, but I grew up with the Brad Daugherty/Mark Price Cavs)I am on record earlier as saying that if he signed with Cleveland, I really don't want the Cavs to win the damn title. I'm sorry, but "I was just chasing a title" when he already had the team in the finals and left anyway just screams of "I wanted the money, but now I'm coming home so stop hating me". He will keep winning individual awards, he is surrounded by number one draft picks but not a team. He's a complete player but a shoot first pass second guy unless he's got guys who HE sees as on his level. Cleveland doesn't have that, and so it'll be the LeBron and Friends Show which accomplishes nothing. Leaving couldn't have had much to do with money. A max deal is a max deal, and the dude's this global phenomenon so it doesn't matter at all where he lives, in terms of how much money he's going to make. He did what so many Clevelanders do: grows up here, moves away, grows up some more, then came back. I was really pissed when he left, because of that Decision bullshit that hung us out to dry, and because of that Game 5 against the Celtics the dude completely tanked, and I found the whole "team up with superstars" deal to be pretty lame. But just for him actually daring to leave? f*** no, it's all good. I live in Cleveland, I wanna leave. But I feel like there's a decent chance I'd move back here because I really do love Cleveland. It would be nice to experience something else, that's all. Maybe that's how LeBron felt. I never entertained the idea that he would come back before the last week or so, so I never had any "even if he does come back, I'll still hate him!" feelings. I think it's a cool story, and if it wins the Cavs a championship, the story would be legendary. I feel like a lot of Cavs fans/Clevelanders feel the same way. That may seem hypocritical, but I don't think it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 18:49:46 GMT -5
Yeah, there's no way that the draft lottery isn't fixed. NBA is faker than WWE. I think the lottery is stupid and should be abolished buy I don't think it's fixed. I can't see the owners of the 13 other teams in the lottery getting together and saying "Yeah, lets give the #1 pick to Cleveland again." If it's fixed I doubt none of the owners are in it. Just the commissioner and all of his executives. I don't think the draft lottery is fixed every year but when there is a great opportunity for a juicy storyline or give a struggling BIG market franchise a chance to get a really hyped up bonafide world class elite player they are getting it. If the Heat bombs this season they are winning the draft lottery lol. Unless the Lakers bomb and Kobe announces retirement. Etc. etc.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 11, 2014 18:54:25 GMT -5
I assume, being American Sports fans afterall, that Cleveland will forget they ever hated LeBron. As a lifelong Cleveland sports fan (Indians and Browns mainly, but I grew up with the Brad Daugherty/Mark Price Cavs)I am on record earlier as saying that if he signed with Cleveland, I really don't want the Cavs to win the damn title. I'm sorry, but "I was just chasing a title" when he already had the team in the finals and left anyway just screams of "I wanted the money, but now I'm coming home so stop hating me". He will keep winning individual awards, he is surrounded by number one draft picks but not a team. He's a complete player but a shoot first pass second guy unless he's got guys who HE sees as on his level. Cleveland doesn't have that, and so it'll be the LeBron and Friends Show which accomplishes nothing. He carried a pretty lousy Cavs team to the finals and they got crushed by the Spurs. That's the only trip Lebron's Cavs made to the Finals. They were a consistent playoff team but nothing more than that. Also if he was all about the money he would've stayed in Cleveland the first time. They actually offered more money than Miami. But Miami had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on the way. No one on Cleveland even came close to being as good as either. This Cavs team at least has Kyrie Irving, who when he isn't hurt is a pretty damn good player. And they either have Andrew Wiggins, who has the potential to be a very special player, or they'll make a move for Kevin Love who you can argue is the best player in the NBA after Lebron and Durant. In any case, Kyrie Irving being your second best player is a hell of an upgrade over Mo Williams filling the same role. And not that there's anything wrong with being "shoot first, pass second," but that's not Lebron's game at all. He has one of the best basketball IQ's I've ever seen and his awareness on the court and being able to make quick decisions is incredible.
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Post by angryfan on Jul 11, 2014 19:05:24 GMT -5
As a lifelong Cleveland sports fan (Indians and Browns mainly, but I grew up with the Brad Daugherty/Mark Price Cavs)I am on record earlier as saying that if he signed with Cleveland, I really don't want the Cavs to win the damn title. I'm sorry, but "I was just chasing a title" when he already had the team in the finals and left anyway just screams of "I wanted the money, but now I'm coming home so stop hating me". He will keep winning individual awards, he is surrounded by number one draft picks but not a team. He's a complete player but a shoot first pass second guy unless he's got guys who HE sees as on his level. Cleveland doesn't have that, and so it'll be the LeBron and Friends Show which accomplishes nothing. Leaving couldn't have had much to do with money. A max deal is a max deal, and the dude's this global phenomenon so it doesn't matter at all where he lives, in terms of how much money he's going to make. He did what so many Clevelanders do: grows up here, moves away, grows up some more, then came back. I was really pissed when he left, because of that Decision bullshit that hung us out to dry, and because of that Game 5 against the Celtics the dude completely tanked, and I found the whole "team up with superstars" deal to be pretty lame. But just for him actually daring to leave? f*** no, it's all good. I live in Cleveland, I wanna leave. But I feel like there's a decent chance I'd move back here because I really do love Cleveland. It would be nice to experience something else, that's all. Maybe that's how LeBron felt. I never entertained the idea that he would come back before the last week or so, so I never had any "even if he does come back, I'll still hate him!" feelings. I think it's a cool story, and if it wins the Cavs a championship, the story would be legendary. I feel like a lot of Cavs fans/Clevelanders feel the same way. That may seem hypocritical, but I don't think it is. I don't see it as hypocrisy locally, I see it as desperation. Remember this, it hasn't been "four decades without a championship", it's been five, across all sports. Fifty years. My father was 17 the last time any Cleveland team won a championship. I don't care that he left, we've had guys leave. My favorite player when I was 10 was Joe Carter. He was traded away and was a World Series hero for Toronto. I loved Brian Sipe when I was little, he left. Bernie Kosar was traded away and got a ring in Dallas. Man-Ram as nuts as he was left and got himself some rings in Boston. Thome wound up getting one in Chicago. The list goes on and on and on. I as a Cleveland fan am used to talent leaving town. Sometimes that talent comes back, usually it doesn't. The Decision was a dumb, immature move by a kid who listend to his buddies on how to handle his business. It (rightfully, in my mind) blew up in his face. People matuere and change. However, as a fan who watched him up and quit in the finals, then go on TV to have a "look at me" special, then win a pair of rings, and then go to the "I'm coming HOME" card, it just would feel like sloppy seconds. I don't hate the man, I don't want to see him run out of town like the second-coming of Art God Damn Modell, but if you grow up in a town and realize that the town is both passionate and desperate to have something to cheer for, has come close a number of times, and yet gets Charlie Brown'ed every damn time, then there's a different atmosphere. Put it this way, the local media might not admit it, but the old timers know. Had he not left, he'd be on the same level (with or without a ring) as Bob Feller and Jim Brown. That, locally, is as elite as it can get. Leaving does tarnish that, coming back may put salve on it, but it also adds something. Now he HAS to bring a title, because the local feeling will be "We let you come home, you owe us". Hyperbole sure, but you're a Clevelander, you know the sentiment that runs through that city just as well as I do.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jul 11, 2014 19:31:46 GMT -5
I think the lottery is stupid and should be abolished buy I don't think it's fixed. I can't see the owners of the 13 other teams in the lottery getting together and saying "Yeah, lets give the #1 pick to Cleveland again." If it's fixed I doubt none of the owners are in it. Just the commissioner and all of his executives. I don't think the draft lottery is fixed every year but when there is a great opportunity for a juicy storyline or give a struggling BIG market franchise a chance to get a really hyped up bonafide world class elite player they are getting it. If the Heat bombs this season they are winning the draft lottery lol. Unless the Lakers bomb and Kobe announces retirement. Etc. etc. Each team has a representative watching the lottery live (not the same ones watching the picks being announced on TV) so they would know if there if there were any shenanigans. And the Commissioners works for the owners. They could fire him if he tries to screw enough of them.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 11, 2014 20:02:28 GMT -5
Robert Flores just made a Lebron James/nWo comparison on Sports Center.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 11, 2014 20:04:08 GMT -5
"What if I told you that you could go home again? An ESPN 30 for 30 presentation....."
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Post by Rican on Jul 11, 2014 20:05:36 GMT -5
To borrow wrestling lingo, has LeBron turned face today? In the eyes of Cleveland fans, yes. As far as Heat fans are concerned, from what I've been hearing on South Florida sports radio, there's a feeling of disappointment that he's no longer with the Heat, but most people here (like myself) are thanking him for 4 great seasons of Miami Heat basketball. I hear people saying that Pat Riley will try and re-build this team (not re-tool like he said in that press conference), but it may take a few years to do that. We re-signed Bosh, we might get Wade back, but who knows what else will happen? Pretty much every Heat fan I know has handled this really well. Most of the tweets and Facebook statuses I've seen are in the same vein, thanking LeBron and wishing him well. It's really nice to see. A lot classier than how many other fan bases would handle it, I think.
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