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Post by Reflecto on Jul 14, 2014 4:21:29 GMT -5
I guess I just don't get the "Eva Marie is literally worse than Hitler" thing. I mean, she's not the greatest wrestler or talker that's ever been employed, but I don't see what's so God awful about her. Well, Eva Marie is such a bad actress that she starred in "Diary of Anne Frank", and in the final scene the crowd shouted "SHE'S IN THE ATTIC!"...of course, that is only "worse than actors playing Nazi soldiers" and not "worse than Hitler", but it's close, right?
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jul 14, 2014 5:31:32 GMT -5
Oh goddamnit, I knew it was that time of the month again. Threads like this are hilarious to me,"She has no passion!" Right, because you can tell by looking at her. "She looks really uncomfortable in the ring and does moves wrong!" And we don't blame that on the in-ring training that was supposed to receive after she signed? "She's worse than Rosa!" Rosa, who went years without winning a match, wrestles more frequently than Eva, and has added "Total Divas Cast Member" alongside "f***ing Michael Hayes" to her reasons for being employed.
Now, either of these women having jobs doesn't bug me like it seems to bug some of you but I'm trying to make the point that if you're going to be f***ing ridiculous, then at least be ridiculous across the board and not just at people that you specifically don't like.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 5:38:13 GMT -5
Oh goddamnit, I knew it was that time of the month again. Threads like this are hilarious to me,"She has no passion!" Right, because you can tell by looking at her. "She looks really uncomfortable in the ring and does moves wrong!" And we don't blame that on the in-ring training that was supposed to receive after she signed? "She's worse than Rosa!" Rosa, who went years without winning a match, wrestles more frequently than Eva, and has added "Total Divas Cast Member" alongside "f***ing Michael Hayes" to her reasons for being employed. Now, either of these women having jobs doesn't bug me like it seems to bug some of you but I'm trying to make the point that if you're going to be f***ing ridiculous, then at least be ridiculous across the board and not just at people that you specifically don't like. Sheesh man, the thread was mainly made as a joke. No need to get up in arms about it. Though I really don't like Eva Marie, are there worse things? Sure, but she's one of the worst things to me
Could she be passionate about wrestling? Sure! I'd like her to prove it though. I would really like her to show any wrestling passion, in an interview, in the ring, but I just do not see it. As for her training, she should be sent BACK to training. I believe she was there before Sara got there, so in retrospect, a stint down in NXT may do her a world of good. She could still be on Total Divas, but she's not ready for a Main Roster Spot in literally every degree.
As for Rosa, yeah, I get it, she's just as bad if not worse. Again, the thread was just a joke. You obviously didn't appreciate it, and for that I am sorry.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 14, 2014 6:38:42 GMT -5
That stupid bunny. Somebody needs to euthanize that thing!
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Post by stealthamo on Jul 14, 2014 7:10:06 GMT -5
In terms of the "no passion" thing, I guess you could look at Jojo, who decided to go down to developmental and is trying to become a better wrestler. From what I've heard though, she was barely on Total Divas at all during the first season, so she might as well try to do something else.
And on the worst thing going right now, that would have to be JBL on commentary. Or hell, probably just commentary in general, though that's not entirely the announcers' fault when they have Vince screaming in their ear the entire time.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 14, 2014 7:18:25 GMT -5
Yes, THE DEMON Kane is worse. At least Eva only gets 1 or 2 minutes a week at most. Kane is going to be in his third main event at Battleground aka the same amount of main events Punk had in the year where he held the title the entire time. This is actually true. I like Kane but with the number of hot veterans and rising stars that are around he has no business being in the main event. Eva Marie, however terrible she may or may not be, is not in the main events of shows.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 7:22:26 GMT -5
I never got the passion argument. How many of you are passionate about your job? How many of your co workers are passionate? For the ones who are passionate were you at passionate upon hiring or did you become passionate later on? Lots of old school non generational wrestlers were anything about passionate upon hiring. The ones that did become good and have successful careers were doing it for the money. The carny mentality that it's frowned upon you're a mark in this business still frowned upon is a old by product of the older generation. Plus we can all agree that Beth Phoenix was the least passionate diva ever!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 8:03:28 GMT -5
I never got the passion argument. How many of you are passionate about your job? How many of your co workers are passionate? For the ones who are passionate were you at passionate upon hiring or did you become passionate later on? Lots of old school non generational wrestlers were anything about passionate upon hiring. The ones that did become good and have successful careers were doing it for the money. The carny mentality that it's frowned upon you're a mark in this business still frowned upon is a old by product of the older generation. Plus we can all agree that Beth Phoenix was the least passionate diva ever! There at least is a level of effort. Even successful guys in it for the money, they try to entertain. They try to make people happy and care about them. I just do not get that from Eva Marie. At least Beth, as un-passionate as people say she was, could put on a matchup, you could believe she was powerful, a force to be reckoned with, someone who could kick your ass, and be a womens wrestler.
Eva Marie is literally nothing. She is a Red Walking Nothing. She should at least try and give people a reason, whether it be wrestling, or a good heel persona. She has neither. She has Bright Red Hair... no signs of improvement since she's began on either front, and seemingly no attempts to get better
I could be wrong. Again this is what I see. She would be very driven, she COULD be very passionate. But I just don't see the proof yet.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 14, 2014 8:12:30 GMT -5
Cameron is worse
At least Eva has the new excuse, Cameron's been signed for 3 years and irritates me whenever she's on my screen
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 8:23:50 GMT -5
Cameron is worse At least Eva has the new excuse, Cameron's been signed for 3 years and irritates me whenever she's on my screen Though Cameron can give a decent showing in the ring from time to time, her personality is TERRIBLE. Not to mention when she got a DUI she tried to bribe a cop to get out of it. I don't know how she's still employed...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 8:45:07 GMT -5
I never got the passion argument. How many of you are passionate about your job? How many of your co workers are passionate? For the ones who are passionate were you at passionate upon hiring or did you become passionate later on? Lots of old school non generational wrestlers were anything about passionate upon hiring. The ones that did become good and have successful careers were doing it for the money. The carny mentality that it's frowned upon you're a mark in this business still frowned upon is a old by product of the older generation. Plus we can all agree that Beth Phoenix was the least passionate diva ever! There at least is a level of effort. Even successful guys in it for the money, they try to entertain. They try to make people happy and care about them. I just do not get that from Eva Marie. At least Beth, as un-passionate as people say she was, could put on a matchup, you could believe she was powerful, a force to be reckoned with, someone who could kick your ass, and be a womens wrestler.
Eva Marie is literally nothing. She is a Red Walking Nothing. She should at least try and give people a reason, whether it be wrestling, or a good heel persona. She has neither. She has Bright Red Hair... no signs of improvement since she's began on either front, and seemingly no attempts to get better
I could be wrong. Again this is what I see. She would be very driven, she COULD be very passionate. But I just don't see the proof yet. Oh I know she sucks. I enjoy her ironically even though she's pretty likeable in Total Divas. I was just stating my passion argument that a lot of guys didn't have passion and succeeded due to effort. I have worked with guys who were enthusiastic and tried their hardest and yes may have been passionate but sucked at their job due to lacking in skill or apitude for the job. I just hate it when people use passion as an basis for an argument when it's mostly about skill and aptitude.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jul 14, 2014 8:47:33 GMT -5
I wonder if any of you fellas point at athletes from the NBA or MLB or NFL and say "What the hell is he doing on the team?! He has no passion!" Or even male superstars. Or is it just the Divas?
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Post by Milk on Jul 14, 2014 8:48:58 GMT -5
I bet it's hard to be passionate about your job when people keep saying you suck at it. No, in all seriousness, it's unfair to say she's the worst thing happening right now, because lets be honest, like many have said, she's barely on TV and when she is it's not as if she's getting pushed down our throat. I can understand why you might think she lacks passion (to an extent) but I'd say that's down to her lack of training which is not her fault at all. I'd imagine it's difficult to show passion when you barely know what you're doing.
As for the "Other guys who lost their jobs could of stayed instead of her" argument, they really couldn't have. Not unless they turned female and joined the cast of Total Divas. That's one of the main reasons she was hired, to feature on the show as a rookie Diva and that's what she's been doing. I'm in no way a massive fan of Eva's but I think assuming that she has no interest in being there or calling her out on being bad in the ring when it isn't her fault isn't fair. Eva being on my screen for 2-3 mins a week doesn't hinder the product in anyway, since she isn't involved in the main Diva storyline.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 8:55:53 GMT -5
I bet it's hard to be passionate about your job when people keep saying you suck at it. No, in all seriousness, it's unfair to say she's the worst thing happening right now, because lets be honest, like many have said, she's barely on TV and when she is it's not as if she's getting pushed down our throat. I can understand why you might think she lacks passion (to an extent) but I'd say that's down to her lack of training which is not her fault at all. I'd imagine it's difficult to show passion when you barely know what you're doing. As for the "Other guys who lost their jobs could of stayed instead of her" argument, they really couldn't have. Not unless they turned female and joined the cast of Total Divas. That's one of the main reasons she was hired, to feature on the show as a rookie Diva and that's what she's been doing. I'm in no way a massive fan of Eva's but I think assuming that she has no interest in being there or calling her out on being bad in the ring when it isn't her fault isn't fair. Eva being on my screen for 2-3 mins a week doesn't hinder the product in anyway, especially since they're using almost every Diva in some capacity recently. I am inclined to agree with every word you say due to your profile picture
Lead me to the promiseland oh wise Bikini Fakeout Cat Thing!
In all seriousness yeah maybe saying lack of passion wasn't the best wording for it. Really as I stated before, the thread was made as more of a joke than anything... but I never said Eva couldn't improve, but right now, aside from Mendes to me she is the worst wrestler on the roster, until improvement is shown to me. Of course that's just my opinion too, nothing I say I expect everyone to agree with, at least it sparked an argument about an interesting, polarizing, Red Anomaly in the WWE right now...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 8:59:32 GMT -5
I wonder if any of you fellas point at athletes from the NBA or MLB or NFL and say "What the hell is he doing on the team?! He has no passion!" Or even male superstars. Or is it just the Divas? If I'm honest, it shows more with the Divas
Maybe that's because the Divas have been labeled "The Piss Break" for like the past decade. Or the fact that WWE hires Models with no experience sometimes. Don't get me wrong, it happens to the Male Roster, but it seems more likely in the Divas Division lately.
And as I said before, maybe using the word "Passion" was the wrong choice. It obviously caused a trigger with a few people, so next time I'll be careful with my wording. Though I stand by it. People would probably care a lot more about Eva if she showed character. If she played to the crowd, did shit, and wasn't just "Sexy Chick with Red Hair". I just want her to show me SOMETHING. Maybe she will, currently though, not really...
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jul 14, 2014 9:24:51 GMT -5
I wonder if any of you fellas point at athletes from the NBA or MLB or NFL and say "What the hell is he doing on the team?! He has no passion!" Or even male superstars. Or is it just the Divas? If I'm honest, it shows more with the Divas
Maybe that's because the Divas have been labeled "The Piss Break" for like the past decade. Or the fact that WWE hires Models with no experience sometimes. Don't get me wrong, it happens to the Male Roster, but it seems more likely in the Divas Division lately.
And as I said before, maybe using the word "Passion" was the wrong choice. It obviously caused a trigger with a few people, so next time I'll be careful with my wording. Though I stand by it. People would probably care a lot more about Eva if she showed character. If she played to the crowd, did shit, and wasn't just "Sexy Chick with Red Hair". I just want her to show me SOMETHING. Maybe she will, currently though, not really...
In all honesty dude, I think WWE is intentionally handicapping Eva so she seems green and unpolished longer. Why? Because it works better for her character arc on Total Divas if she doesn't improve at the same rate a normal human being should.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 9:29:21 GMT -5
If I'm honest, it shows more with the Divas
Maybe that's because the Divas have been labeled "The Piss Break" for like the past decade. Or the fact that WWE hires Models with no experience sometimes. Don't get me wrong, it happens to the Male Roster, but it seems more likely in the Divas Division lately.
And as I said before, maybe using the word "Passion" was the wrong choice. It obviously caused a trigger with a few people, so next time I'll be careful with my wording. Though I stand by it. People would probably care a lot more about Eva if she showed character. If she played to the crowd, did shit, and wasn't just "Sexy Chick with Red Hair". I just want her to show me SOMETHING. Maybe she will, currently though, not really...
In all honesty dude, I think WWE is intentionally handicapping Eva so she seems green and unpolished longer. Why? Because it works better for her character arc on Total Divas if she doesn't improve at the same rate a normal human being should. Well. That's a distinct possibility
That would honestly be a great payoff if it were true. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 9:55:45 GMT -5
Eva isn't that bad considering her experience level. I stand by my statement that Eva and Cameron need to team up, these two are like two classic HHH's with the amount of hate that they get online. It's borderline ridiculous.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 14, 2014 9:57:57 GMT -5
Eva isn't that bad considering her experience level. I stand by my statement that Eva and Cameron need to team up, these two are like two classic HHH's with the amount of hate that they get online. It's borderline ridiculous. If you got Eva Marie, Cameron, and Rosa in a stable, they may be one of the most hated stables in WWE History, in Heel Heat and in the Downright Despised for existing sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 10:02:42 GMT -5
Eva isn't that bad considering her experience level. I stand by my statement that Eva and Cameron need to team up, these two are like two classic HHH's with the amount of hate that they get online. It's borderline ridiculous. If you got Eva Marie, Cameron, and Rosa in a stable, they may be one of the most hated stables in WWE History, in Heel Heat and in the Downright Despised for existing sense. I'm not down with Rosa being included, she is truly useless.
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