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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2014 5:38:57 GMT -5
I could understand that if Impact was you know, in the middle of the ratings or 4th or 5th or something, but if it's actually dead last on their board? I'm not saying they would just replace Impact with reruns, but you could probably find other, more profitable programming out there. Not calling you a liar or anything, but where are you getting dead last from? It was my understanding it actually performs better than most of their programming does. Spike isn't a channel that gets particularly good ratings, certainly not on USA's level, so the standards are lower. It's sort of like how Letterman used to get paid more than Leno, even with lower ratings, in part because his show was more important to CBS than Leno was to NBC, at a certain time period. He was a bigger pillar of their lineup, since, at the time, NBC wasn't scrambling like they would be later on, and CBS didn't have Chuck Lorre and his crapload of shows. If you are relatively successful, it's sometimes better than if you were a big shot in a room full of nothing but big shots.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 14, 2014 5:43:25 GMT -5
I could understand that if Impact was you know, in the middle of the ratings or 4th or 5th or something, but if it's actually dead last on their board? I'm not saying they would just replace Impact with reruns, but you could probably find other, more profitable programming out there. Not calling you a liar or anything, but where are you getting dead last from? It was my understanding it actually performs better than most of their programming does. Spike isn't a channel that gets particularly good ratings, certainly not on USA's level, so the standards are lower. It's sort of like how Letterman used to get paid more than Leno, even with lower ratings, in part because his show was more important to CBS than Leno was to NBC, at a certain time period. He was a bigger pillar of their lineup, since, at the time, NBC wasn't scrambling like they would be later on, and CBS didn't have Chuck Lorre and his crapload of shows. If you are relatively successful, it's sometimes better than if you were a big shot in a room full of nothing but big shots. I misunderstood an earlier post of yours - your were saying Cops reruns were beating everything, I took it to mean that Impact was getting beaten by everything.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2014 5:44:16 GMT -5
Not calling you a liar or anything, but where are you getting dead last from? It was my understanding it actually performs better than most of their programming does. Spike isn't a channel that gets particularly good ratings, certainly not on USA's level, so the standards are lower. It's sort of like how Letterman used to get paid more than Leno, even with lower ratings, in part because his show was more important to CBS than Leno was to NBC, at a certain time period. He was a bigger pillar of their lineup, since, at the time, NBC wasn't scrambling like they would be later on, and CBS didn't have Chuck Lorre and his crapload of shows. If you are relatively successful, it's sometimes better than if you were a big shot in a room full of nothing but big shots. I misunderstood an earlier post of yours - your were saying Cops reruns were beating everything, I took it to mean that Impact was getting beaten by everything. Ah, sorry. I could have phrased it more clearly. Honest mistake.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 14, 2014 6:20:46 GMT -5
Reading stuff in this thread makes me realise even further how much Spike sucks.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2014 6:47:41 GMT -5
I just thought of something, didn't Spike renew Impact in 2012? Think about that for a moment... They renewed Impact after the disastrous move to Mondays, after Hogan had shaved hundreds of thousands off TNA's ratings, after bringing in star after star on Spike's dime failed to shift the ratings beyond 1.3, after Viacom has bought Bellator outright and after Spike had begun being retooled into a wide appeal channel... All the problems Impact has now are nothing new, so if they were going to cancel it based on those, wouldn't that have been the time to do it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 7:04:29 GMT -5
I just thought of something, didn't Spike renew Impact in 2012? Think about that for a moment... They renewed Impact after the disastrous move to Mondays, after Hogan had shaved hundreds of thousands off TNA's ratings, after bringing in star after star on Spike's dime failed to shift the ratings beyond 1.3, after Viacom has bought Bellator outright and after Spike had begun being retooled into a wide appeal channel... All the problems Impact has now are nothing new, so if they were going to cancel it based on those, wouldn't that have been the time to do it? Well, the thing is that since that point, they've dropped down to generally doing about 0.9, and if there was any hesitation the last time it'd certainly have to be even more present now after the same problems have persisted the whole time except with the additions of a smaller audience and a drastically cut budget. I figure TNA will get renewed, but clearly judging by the wait Spike's having to think about it.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 14, 2014 8:52:36 GMT -5
TNA is going to get lowballed to the point where it redefines the term.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 14, 2014 9:12:52 GMT -5
I'm going to say... probably, but at at a much much shittier deal than what they had when they promised they'd average 2.0 ratings.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 14, 2014 9:19:03 GMT -5
In all honesty, I won't be amazed either way. Spike has not give any indications of having any plans for what to do with TNA's time slot if they choose not to renew, which inclines me to believe they are inclined to renew for a short term deal while they try to line up bidders for the air time. But with how far TNA has fallen from the promises of their deal, I won't be shocked if Spike doesn't renew and just puts another episode of COPS on as filler.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2014 10:13:04 GMT -5
I'm going to say... probably, but at at a much much shittier deal than what they had when they promised they'd average 2.0 ratings. They've been renewed a few times since those days. If they renewed them with that deal after the Hogan fiasco had lopped off a chunk of their audience, still expecting 2.0's then Spike's management should be canned.
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 14, 2014 10:16:42 GMT -5
I think they already have a standing offer to TNA to be honest. It brings in higher than average for the channel ratings, that's not saying much but it does. I imagine Viacom has them priced on the deal to make a profit, along with more shilling of Bellator as part of the deal. Spoke about this in another thread but after their first ppv they see big bucks, so we'll see more King Mo and friends along the way.
With it being syndication renewal season, and TNA not announcing themselves on a different channel, I'm pretty positive they will be on Spike on a 1-2 (probably 2) year deal. They are just waiting on the right spot (Hammerstein tapings part 2) to announce it. They really aren't doing themselves any favors though by waiting as it's later and later in the year and getting ad deals set up for the coming season is going to get harder and harder.
Not to piss any hardcore TNA fans off, but realistically at this point, TNA is just Viacom's bitch. If they had a deal anywhere else they'd be singing it from the mountaintops right now. If they were switching broadcast partners, with so little time left before October, you'd start seeing hype ads showing on that channel. The biggest doubt I have right now about a deal with Viacom is the lack of any planning on TNA's part for anything past BFG. No house shows, no tapings, nothing.
Let's just say if they go through the August tapings with no word on a deal, then I'd start worrying about it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 14, 2014 10:19:12 GMT -5
Not to piss any hardcore TNA fans off, but realistically at this point, TNA is just Viacom's bitch Yeah, TNA needs Spike way more than Spike needs them
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Post by Ganon83 on Jul 14, 2014 10:21:13 GMT -5
It isn't like Spike is getting much in ad money anyway. We saw that the ad money was more or less WWE's downfall in the TV industry's eyes, and instead of them doubling they only got around a 50% increase. Imagine how much Spike gets for not just the number 2 wrestling promotion, but for one named TNA?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 10:25:10 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that if they were going to do it they would have done so by now, in retrospect I'd guess that TNA has known this(or at least been worried about it for a while) hence them hiring UTA or whatever that group was a while back, and Spike gave them a last chance with the NYC tapings.
I just can't imagine that they'd wait until the contract is near over before renewing.
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 14, 2014 10:34:32 GMT -5
It isn't like Spike is getting much in ad money anyway. We saw that the ad money was more or less WWE's downfall in the TV industry's eyes, and instead of them doubling they only got around a 50% increase. Imagine how much Spike gets for not just the number 2 wrestling promotion, but for one named TNA? You got 2 things kinda merged into one there. The ad money is money the Channel brings in from companies to show ads on the network and for different shows. Depending on the contract, usually the channel (spike, viacom) gets a huge chunk of it and a small percentage or nothing at all goes to the "content provider" (TNA). Broadcasting rights is money the Channel pays the content provider for the rights to broadcast their show. Kinda like a baseball player gets paid to play baseball. It's this that WWE didn't get that 100 percent increase that they were looking for. Basically it boils down to this. Viacom is thinking "I can bring X amount of dollars in Ad revenue for TNA this year. I have to pay TNA Y dollars for broadcast rights this year". If X is greater than Y, yeee haaa profit. If it's not, are there any ways I can use TNA to gain more profit somewhere else (yes again....free advertising for Bellator). Lets face it, if the above isn't true they aren't gonna throw money in the toilet just because. edit : Disregard, looks like I read it wrong. Eh, I'll leave this up here anyway just in case someone else might have a question about it. Sorry long hours last 2 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 10:52:32 GMT -5
TNA is going to get lowballed to the point where it redefines the term. I agree. IF Spike renews TNA, they will make sure to pay as little for it as possible. And on the flip side, it might be such a low number that TNA just calls it quits because they won't be able to sustain themselves with that amount. I do feel like TNA is over though (not the good kind of over) and we are just waiting for the official announcement.
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Post by Banecat on Jul 14, 2014 10:53:08 GMT -5
Isn't it getting beaten by Cops reruns? I doubt they'd renew that. I think you're seriously underestimating the ratings draw of Cops and Cops reruns. It's in it's 27th season. I can guarantee you Cops is the the #1 watched show in prison and it airs before lights out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 10:54:41 GMT -5
Isn't it getting beaten by Cops reruns? I doubt they'd renew that. I think you're seriously underestimating the ratings draw of Cops and Cops reruns. It's in it's 27th season. I can guarantee you Cops is the the #1 watched show in prison and it airs before lights out. You're an inmate, aren't you?
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Post by Banecat on Jul 14, 2014 10:55:11 GMT -5
Isn't it getting beaten by Cops reruns? I doubt they'd renew that. I think you're seriously underestimating the ratings draw of Cops and Cops reruns. It's in it's 27th season. I can guarantee you Cops is the the #1 watched show in US prison and it airs before lights out.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 14, 2014 10:57:49 GMT -5
Kinda off-topic but I can't even begin to describe to the pure joy that COPS regularly beating Impact gives me. Like, this must be the euphoric feeling Eric Bischoff had every week Nitro beat Raw.
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