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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 16:17:16 GMT -5
The ropes would almost certainly be tighter since turnbuckle to turnbuckle is significantly shorter than a square ring.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 18, 2014 16:18:05 GMT -5
Aren't the ropes tighter and harder to bounce off in a six side ring? If so, Hogan was smart to drop it. I believe both the ropes are tighter and the mat has less give (presumably because of the extra reinforcement required to support six ring posts). AJ Styles and Austin Aries have both been quoted as saying the six sided ring is harder to bump on than the "regular" ring (I can't find the interviews though sorry ) Oh and my original post was meant to be a joke based off this I believe the AJ interview was on Talk Is Jericho.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 18, 2014 23:15:55 GMT -5
TNA rarely pull all the stops and do amazing stuff. So I'll take it.
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Post by RareTradU on Jul 19, 2014 0:29:04 GMT -5
The steps were obviously gimmicked and the fact that Hardy wrestled the next night, in what I've read was a great match, shows that this probably wasn't even that dangerous of a spot compared to the ones he's taken already.
I do wish the announcers had sold it more though. I've never seen anything like it.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 19, 2014 0:45:34 GMT -5
Well, it was a couple notches down from that awful bump he took on the stage against Magnus last year.
However, they couldn't even close the show with this insane bump. Apparently, Team 3D putting Ethan Carter III through a table is more important than Jeff Hardy sacrificing his well being for the company.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 19, 2014 0:54:48 GMT -5
The steps were obviously gimmicked I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm seriously asking. How do you know the steps were "obviously gimmicked?" Wouldn't there have been significantly more give when Hardy's body hit the steps? The way Hardy's body just bounces off the steps before lifelessly crumpling to the floor seems indicate that those steps were legit. Now, of course, I could be wrong and they found a way to gimmick it which, if so, awesome. The fact that he was able to work the next day doesn't change how dangerous this spot is if the steps were real. It's like the people saying that, "well, John Cena can wrestle right now so his body must be fine!" No, that's not how the human body works and it's completely disregarding that guys like Hardy probably work in pain every night. You may not feel it that day, you may not feel it the next day, but you WILL feel it one day and when Hardy is in a wheelchair by 50, he's gonna look at stuff like this and wonder why he didn't work a safer style.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 19, 2014 5:01:18 GMT -5
I don't think I'd save this for a TNA PPV if I was him. If I am going to take this kind of a bump, I want someone to actually see it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 19, 2014 6:03:56 GMT -5
This sort of thing is why I stopped watching TNA. They allow their wrestlers to do this kind of stupidity but don't take care of them when they get injured. Ugh.
ECW is dead, most of it's roster have injuries they'll never truly recover from, the attitude era and it's gimmick matches have taken a decade off some of the participant's careers... dropping onto objects needs to stop as regular bumps are bad enough.
Jeff, you're friends with Edge and Kurt Angle, why the **** would you do that to yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 7:07:05 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy's future is going to be dynamite.
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Post by RareTradU on Jul 19, 2014 22:32:47 GMT -5
The steps were obviously gimmicked I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm seriously asking. How do you know the steps were "obviously gimmicked?" Wouldn't there have been significantly more give when Hardy's body hit the steps? The way Hardy's body just bounces off the steps before lifelessly crumpling to the floor seems indicate that those steps were legit. Now, of course, I could be wrong and they found a way to gimmick it which, if so, awesome. The fact that he was able to work the next day doesn't change how dangerous this spot is if the steps were real. It's like the people saying that, "well, John Cena can wrestle right now so his body must be fine!" No, that's not how the human body works and it's completely disregarding that guys like Hardy probably work in pain every night. You may not feel it that day, you may not feel it the next day, but you WILL feel it one day and when Hardy is in a wheelchair by 50, he's gonna look at stuff like this and wonder why he didn't work a safer style. The steps were obviously gimmicked by the way the top of the steps wasn't even connected to the frame of the steps. Also the metal bent when Hardy hit them which shows they probably used a thinner material to make the top of the steps. The bump probably didn't hurt as bad as taking a suplex on WWE's metal ramp which almost all wrestlers have done in WWE. How many bumps have wrestlers taken on the steel grate inside the Elimination Chamber? There's absolutely no give in that metal. Where's the uproar about that? I'm not saying it's NOT a stupid bump just saying it's not the career killer like everyone is making it sound. Wrestling is tough all bumps are dangerous. Like the old saying goes, "It ain't ballet". If wrestlers just grapple for an hour no one is going to watch. Randy Orton puts a chin lock on a guy and everyone says he's boring even though doing that in his matches MIGHT let him have a longer career. How would you please everyone and keep it entertaining?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 19, 2014 22:53:46 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm seriously asking. How do you know the steps were "obviously gimmicked?" Wouldn't there have been significantly more give when Hardy's body hit the steps? The way Hardy's body just bounces off the steps before lifelessly crumpling to the floor seems indicate that those steps were legit. Now, of course, I could be wrong and they found a way to gimmick it which, if so, awesome. The fact that he was able to work the next day doesn't change how dangerous this spot is if the steps were real. It's like the people saying that, "well, John Cena can wrestle right now so his body must be fine!" No, that's not how the human body works and it's completely disregarding that guys like Hardy probably work in pain every night. You may not feel it that day, you may not feel it the next day, but you WILL feel it one day and when Hardy is in a wheelchair by 50, he's gonna look at stuff like this and wonder why he didn't work a safer style. The steps were obviously gimmicked by the way the top of the steps wasn't even connected to the frame of the steps. Also the metal bent when Hardy hit them which shows they probably used a thinner material to make the top of the steps. The bump probably didn't hurt as bad as taking a suplex on WWE's metal ramp which almost all wrestlers have done in WWE. How many bumps have wrestlers taken on the steel grate inside the Elimination Chamber? There's absolutely no give in that metal. Where's the uproar about that? Either that or they were just really cheaply made steps, which in likelihood could have made the landing even more painful. I will concede that those steps definitely gave way when Hardy landed on them, but as for why that is remains unclear. It's not like there was some sort of padding in-between the piece that came loose either. As for the Elimination Chamber, honestly that's no better. But we don't really know if that's real steel or not they use. Nobody knows what the flooring in the Chamber is made of, nobody on this forum at least. And the Elimination Chamber is only once a year. As for the metal ramps, again, we don't know what those are made of exactly. And they seem to have cut back significantly on those sorts of spots involving it, at least in the WWE. I'm sure it still hurts like hell, but you don't see many wrestlers diving off a turnbuckle and landing directly on the steel of the chamber. Likewise with the metal ramp, unless something goes horribly awry. This, gimmicked or not, involved a crazy man whose been stupid stuff for years doing yet another stupid stunt. Not to mention this is Jeff Hardy we're talking about. Whose to say he even asked them to gimmick it up? The man is out of his freaking mind, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 23:07:41 GMT -5
I don't think I'd save this for a TNA PPV if I was him. If I am going to take this kind of a bump, I want someone to actually see it. Yeah, people don't seem to realize this point with TNA. This past Impact was watched by 1.4M people. I'd be surprised if TNA PPV's draw more than 10,000 buys at this point. Also, as mentioned already, the Hammerstein tapings are pretty much TNA's last gasp to convince Spike to re-up their TV deal. This practically is a PPV for them. Probably far more important than BFG. Does that justify Hardy's bump? Of course not. But Hardy is out of his mind anyway. I thought his bumps in the late-90's were 100 times worse than this, but he seems like one of those guys who doesn't really care.
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Post by RareTradU on Jul 19, 2014 23:10:05 GMT -5
I'm sure it still hurts like hell, but you don't see many wrestlers diving off a turnbuckle and landing directly on the steel of the chamber. Likewise with the metal ramp, unless something goes horribly awry. This, gimmicked or not, involved a crazy man whose been stupid stuff for years doing yet another stupid stunt. Not to mention this is Jeff Hardy we're talking about. Whose to say he even asked them to gimmick it up? The man is out of his freaking mind, after all. I agree that Jeff is crazy and probably a little dumb for still doing this style of wrestling. I'm just wondering where we draw the line on dangerous spots. Watch the video I embedded, Finlay takes a chokeslam over the top rope onto the steel of the chamber. Even at Money in the Bank a few weeks ago, there was tons of stupid spots that could've injured someone but I was still entertained by it. Triple H has been on the verge of his career ending with two 'safe' spots. One, giving a punch to the back of Jericho. Two, a spinebuster on Orton. You just never know. If a wrestler is comfortable enough to do the spot then I say go for it.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 19, 2014 23:37:47 GMT -5
I'm sure it still hurts like hell, but you don't see many wrestlers diving off a turnbuckle and landing directly on the steel of the chamber. Likewise with the metal ramp, unless something goes horribly awry. This, gimmicked or not, involved a crazy man whose been stupid stuff for years doing yet another stupid stunt. Not to mention this is Jeff Hardy we're talking about. Whose to say he even asked them to gimmick it up? The man is out of his freaking mind, after all. I agree that Jeff is crazy and probably a little dumb for still doing this style of wrestling. I'm just wondering where we draw the line on dangerous spots. Watch the video I embedded, Finlay takes a chokeslam over the top rope onto the steel of the chamber. Even at Money in the Bank a few weeks ago, there was tons of stupid spots that could've injured someone but I was still entertained by it. Triple H has been on the verge of his career ending with two 'safe' spots. One, giving a punch to the back of Jericho. Two, a spinebuster on Orton. You just never know. If a wrestler is comfortable enough to do the spot then I say go for it. No argument here. Professional wrestling is something that's supposed to be fake. It makes no sense to go out there and do stuff that could possibly put you in a wheelchair or worse. The fact of the matter is though that things won't change until enough people decide it needs to be changed. And at the very least we are making some steps forward. We've cut out a majority of chair shots to the head or anything to the head really, and the days of having hardcore matches each and every week seems to be a thing of the past. There are steps being made to make things a little safer for everybody involved. Granted there are still many other steps that could to be taken, but as long as guys like Hardy or Abyss are willing to go out there and do that kind of stuff then people will just continue to accept it. It's unfortunate, but that's just how things are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 23:53:25 GMT -5
...just dynamite.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jul 22, 2014 2:41:46 GMT -5
What really makes this bump so stupid and pointless is that it will be long forgotten within a few weeks.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 22, 2014 5:43:50 GMT -5
What really makes this bump so stupid and pointless is that it will be long forgotten within a few weeks. If a bump happens and nobody cares, did it actually happen?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 22, 2014 5:46:36 GMT -5
What really makes this bump so stupid and pointless is that it will be long forgotten within a few weeks. If a bump happens and nobody cares, did it actually happen? Only Jeff's tailbone knows for sure!
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Post by Clawley Race on Jul 24, 2014 2:49:45 GMT -5
I wonder how many people trashing this bump are the same ones who say thing about Jeff Hardy going through motions/just cashing a check...
He went all out on what is supposed to be a very big tv show/live show for TNA. Bravo for caring and wanting to put on a show for your fans even if everyone around seems to think you don't have to.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 24, 2014 6:08:37 GMT -5
I wonder how many people trashing this bump are the same ones who say thing about Jeff Hardy going through motions/just cashing a check... He went all out on what is supposed to be a very big tv show/live show for TNA. Bravo for caring and wanting to put on a show for your fans even if everyone around seems to think you don't have to. The problem isn't Hardy putting in effort in his performance. He's not RVD and numerous former WWF/WCW/ECW folks slumming and half assing for cash in TNA. The problem is Hardy is still doing the same wild bumps that caused him to become a druggie and his body got almost 2 decades worth of hardcore bumps built up. There are other ways to entertain the fans without having to crash and burn in every match.
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