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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 1:36:19 GMT -5
I also don't get why TNA want to pander to people who loved ECW back in the day. Do they know who owns the ECW library? they are just sending those people to buy the WWE network and watch ECW on there. It makes zero sense to me. It's a survival tactic this time basically. Their product as it stands would have gotten annihilated if they didn't make it perfectly clear that they're gonna see some big cameos throughout. It's a similar conundrum to the whole hiding of Vince Russo thing in that, if you have the awareness to know something's wrong why can't you seek out someone with new ideas to fix it? I respect Taz to a point to engage in a conversation like that because he's the underdog for sure and Wade Keller took it to a place where Taz really couldn't do anything. Chances are Keller's right that Taz is taking pay raises while people are getting dumped around him but who wouldn't take more money at work if they could? And if he really didn't who would believe him anyways? I agree with Keller's opinion in that conversation 100% though.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 20, 2014 1:45:19 GMT -5
I also don't get why TNA want to pander to people who loved ECW back in the day. Do they know who owns the ECW library? they are just sending those people to buy the WWE network and watch ECW on there. It makes zero sense to me. It's a survival tactic this time basically. Their product as it stands would have gotten annihilated if they didn't make it perfectly clear that they're gonna see some big cameos throughout. It's a similar conundrum to the whole hiding of Vince Russo thing in that, if you have the awareness to know something's wrong why can't you seek out someone with new ideas to fix it? I respect Taz to a point to engage in a conversation like that because he's the underdog for sure and Wade Keller took it to a place where Taz really couldn't do anything. Chances are Keller's right that Taz is taking pay raises while people are getting dumped around him but who wouldn't take more money at work if they could? And if he really didn't who would believe him anyways? I agree with Keller's opinion in that conversation 100% though. If they are afraid of getting annihilated enough to bring back people from a dead product to get a pop, then that's saying a lot about their current product, i'd say. If they are that aware of how bad it is then maybe they should change it up and put on ... I dunno ... a better quality product? They have a great roster capable of putting on an outstanding product, yet they often don't -- when you have all the ingredients for greatness and you can't put them together, there's something seriously wrong. And instead of trying to fix it, they just choose to ignore it and hide it with nostalgia. They can never grow with that attitude.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 20, 2014 1:51:32 GMT -5
They both came out good & bad in this conversation, unfortunately the latter happens too much on Twitter.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 20, 2014 2:01:23 GMT -5
IF I MAY PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
Let's say Taz responded to Wade by saying "ECW has a history in the Hammerstein Ballroom and, along with those in attendance, with the promotion they've made for these tapings being special, there would be reason to assume a fair amount of people who otherwise wouldn't be tuning in would do so because of a certain affinity for Hammerstein. Given the particular history that Taz and Dreamer have with Hammerstein, would it not make sense not only to get that out of the way at the start of the show, but use that familiarity and fondness of these ECW alumni to make their new, younger talent who may be unfamiliar to new audiences look better?"
To me, that seemed like the point. Had Tazz gone that route, would the conversation have still gone the way it did?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 20, 2014 2:15:26 GMT -5
Honestly? Probably would have still wound up with pettiness on one side or the other. I don't think either guy was overly pleased with the other, even before it went south.
Wade, probably rightly, felt they were pandering. Taz, also with a fair point, felt the rest of the show was being marginalized with the ECW focused on to the point of ignoring the rest. Neither side was really very likely to concede either point.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 20, 2014 6:34:53 GMT -5
I despise a lot about ECW, I think it harmed wrestling and damaged the health of countless guys and trying to duplicate that style took 10 years off the career of some people in the WWF. That said, there is an upside to revisiting it to an extent as the fanbase it had in the northeast are -very- loyal, even now, and will pay to see ECW guys and other talented workers trying to put on a good show. If you give them some of what they want with nostalgia guys and impress them with the overall show, there is a chance you can get some of them paying to see your events on a regular basis which is something TNA desperately need.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 20, 2014 9:38:42 GMT -5
We all know how that fight would go in real life.... "Keller walks up to Taz while the whole roster is watching, he extends both hands. "Hey Taz, pick a hand!" "What?" SLAP Taz just stands there looking to the floor "That's what I thought, bitch."
But really, Keller could've debated just on the angle, there wasn't any need to discuss his contract, all he does is piss off someone who could throw him a bone in the future and be a source.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 20, 2014 10:01:18 GMT -5
But really, Keller could've debated just on the angle, there wasn't any need to discuss his contract, all he does is piss off someone who could throw him a bone in the future and be a source. It comes off like someone in a schoolyard argument yelling 'Oh yeah? Well, your family's poor!' to try and get out of a debate that they can't really win.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 20, 2014 10:05:19 GMT -5
Honestly? Probably would have still wound up with pettiness on one side or the other. I don't think either guy was overly pleased with the other, even before it went south. Wade, probably rightly, felt they were pandering. Taz, also with a fair point, felt the rest of the show was being marginalized with the ECW focused on to the point of ignoring the rest. Neither side was really very likely to concede either point. Yeah, it's kinda obvious that Wade went into this with the intent of blowing up some caskets and Taz obviously wasn't gonna say the company he works for sucks so right off the bat, both guys were at an impasse. Both guys looked kinda bad for bickering like that on Twitter (f***'s sake, take it to DM's), I'm just laughing at how abruptly it ended.
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Post by percymania on Jul 20, 2014 10:48:27 GMT -5
Hilarious. This is why you shouldn't start arguments with your critics.
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Post by evilone on Jul 20, 2014 17:53:14 GMT -5
To be fair, Taz has a right to be offended. Most people don't like being asked what they make for a living, etc. That isn't really any of his business on a personal level. I never understood this actually. To me the whole concept of being secretive about your pay and it being part of the confidentiality agreement benefits only the employer who doesn't need to pay everybody equally. This has no benefit to employee at all. Kind of like when Scott and Kevin got wasted with Hogan and Hogan blabbed how much he made so they went and asked for the raise. And back to OP, if Wade knew squat he would be in the business and not pee-dancing around it's borders scooping for crumbs. He makes money off wrestling junkies who need more E! in wrestling, very legitimate if you ask me and very good for the business but in the end of the day he has no clue what he is talking about. Goal of wrestling company is to make better ratings, create anticipation and stars? 90% of the members of this board would give better and more logical answer to Taz's question.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 20, 2014 18:48:15 GMT -5
Both sides kinda stumbled around here. I don't blame Tazz for getting pissed when Keller went into something that could be considered personal (people will react in different ways when asked a question like that), but they were pandering so hard they made Mojo Rawley look like Raven.
The ECW crowd is a niche audience within a niche, even Paul Heyman and Vinnie Mac (begrudgingly, I suspect sometimes) both understand that at this point. It's good for a once-in-a-while thing to keep its memory alive, but it's probably not the "new" brand identity TNA wants. Especially not when WWE's PG content has gotten (IMO) noticably harder.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 21, 2014 10:24:29 GMT -5
I think Keller looked a lot better against Roe.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 21, 2014 10:28:08 GMT -5
I think Keller looked a lot better against Roe. Except 'Roe' won that one.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 21, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5
I think Keller looked a lot better against Roe. Except 'Roe' won that one. I don't even know what I'm referencing, I just remember 'Roe vs. Wade' being something I'd heard somewhere. It was a dumb joke. It was a work, okay ya mark? I JUST WANT THOSE LIKES 100 club 4 lyf {Spoiler}edit: I just looked up what I referenced and it may be the most inadvertently tasteless joke I've ever made
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 21, 2014 14:15:36 GMT -5
To be fair, Taz has a right to be offended. Most people don't like being asked what they make for a living, etc. That isn't really any of his business on a personal level. I never understood this actually. To me the whole concept of being secretive about your pay and it being part of the confidentiality agreement benefits only the employer who doesn't need to pay everybody equally. This has no benefit to employee at all. Kind of like when Scott and Kevin got wasted with Hogan and Hogan blabbed how much he made so they went and asked for the raise. And back to OP, if Wade knew squat he would be in the business and not pee-dancing around it's borders scooping for crumbs. He makes money off wrestling junkies who need more E! in wrestling, very legitimate if you ask me and very good for the business but in the end of the day he has no clue what he is talking about. Goal of wrestling company is to make better ratings, create anticipation and stars? 90% of the members of this board would give better and more logical answer to Taz's question. A huge part of keeping your pay secret is to protect your bargaining power in the future. Let's say Taz comes out in this and tells Keller he makes $100K a year, well when his contract expires in say Oct. and TNA offers him less because they are still cutting cost he cannot go to WWE and expect more because WWE will know that he was getting 100k, TNA obviously isn't since their situation is well known on top of the fact that Taz is looking to them for a better offer and that means WWE doesn't have to come close to 100k either.
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 21, 2014 14:46:55 GMT -5
He never asked him what he was making, if you go back and read he only asked if he or anyone else had gotten a raise in the past 2 years. Probably did it just to bring light to the fact that it appears the company wasn't doing well financially, as he referenced in the post Taz rage quit comments.
Never asked him what he made, was just making reference to what Wade perceived as bad business by bringing back the ECW nostalgia instead of focusing on their own talent. Honestly if Taz is going to start jumping into Twitter fights with everyone that says anything derogatory about TNA he should be ready to answer questions and not overreact and misinterpret a question and it's intent, instead of getting in over his head and using it as an excuse (money) to exit stage left.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 21, 2014 15:02:33 GMT -5
Except 'Roe' won that one. I don't even know what I'm referencing, I just remember 'Roe vs. Wade' being something I'd heard somewhere. It was a dumb joke. It was a work, okay ya mark? I JUST WANT THOSE LIKES 100 club 4 lyf {Spoiler}{Spoiler}edit: I just looked up what I referenced and it may be the most inadvertently tasteless joke I've ever made It's apropos. TNA is an abortion sometimes.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 21, 2014 21:45:15 GMT -5
Taz: Are you Bill Aptah?
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Post by Rave on Jul 21, 2014 23:06:15 GMT -5
Considering that Taz has spoken out against ECW reunion shows before, IMO he comes across as a bit hypocritical.
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