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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 17, 2014 22:16:08 GMT -5
How do I sugarcoat this for my son when he undoubtedly asks me "Did John Cena win last night?" "Son, the important thing is that we survived..." "We're still here, son...we're...still here."
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 17, 2014 22:16:08 GMT -5
I hope Brock decides to leave. I really hope WWE suffers for this stupidity I'm just happy you're suffering for yours. I kid. But seriously: Because stuff like that NEVER happens. I can't even think of the last time a top guy, let alone the strongest booked guy of the past decade, just got straight up squashed like that on PPV. Lesnar proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that yes, he is the baddest man in the land. That's...wrestling. You create a seemingly unstoppable force and then you have someone stop the force. It doesn't get any more basic than this. I'm sick of hearing about stuff that never happens. There's a damn good reason it never happens. This is how monster heels are made and money is drawn. Back in the late 80's, Antonio Inoki , who never jobbed, let alone got destroyed, got flat out CRUSHED by Vader. And it created, instantly, a money player, that the went on to draw money there for years and with a variety of opponents. And all because Inoki did something he never did. Sting did it for Vader in '92 as well. Hell, Yokozuna pretty much crushed Hogan in his rematch at KOTR '93, and Yoko went onto be a pretty decent long term heel champion in an era wherein that never happened. So, to paraphrase The Joker, sometimes to make an omelet, you gotta crack a few eggs. And Cena' big square Frankenstein noggin with the biggest egg in the carton tonight.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 17, 2014 22:16:24 GMT -5
just because I'm bitter doesn't make it untrue It also doesn't make it true, funny how an opinion works. you find german suplex, talk to the ref for 30 seconds, pull him up slowly, german suplex repeat constantly entertaining
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Post by The Tee Why on Aug 17, 2014 22:16:29 GMT -5
I like how Brock broke pro wrestling ettiquette and did the same move so many times. It's a gentleman's agreement to use a move only once per match, MAYBE two if you're pushing it. You wanna go tell him? Be my guest bro
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 17, 2014 22:16:38 GMT -5
Book something new to try to lure people to buy a network that hasn't reached the numbers the company wants with one of the ONLY legitimate over Cena megastars (as Cena is nowhere near as popular in monetary terms as them) they have (Rock & Brock) = stupid? Logic be damned! Good night everybody! What a show, Brock is the King of Everyworld. putting over a guy who screwed over your company is very stupid. People knew Brock was going to be here. Why should his appearance next month generate any more buys than have already purchased this month? They knew he would be at Mania. Based on that why didn't they flock to the network for that? He won't be on TV to build any significant stories. And his last two matches haven't been anything to write home about. Just to be clear my point is Brock at this point has generated every buy he should generate as his appearance is announced far enough in advance that everyone who wants to see him has plenty of time to subscribe. You truly have no idea how business works.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:17:20 GMT -5
Hell I'm more for the idea of Brock making few appearances. When the champion is there it should feel like a BIG DEAL. With Cena, he's champ so many times that they just look like props or other pieces of his attire. He literally had a shirt with an arrow that was supposed to point to the omnipresent title belt on his waist.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 17, 2014 22:17:25 GMT -5
To me if he can believably face (albiet wrestling suspension of disbelief and the dramatic form that stories take in wrestling) Morishima/Henry/Show like he has done in the past he is the ultimate underdog challenger for brock. With his moves like the curbstomps and both their mat work/mma background I would bet that they would have great chemistry together. And as I plan on going to mania live, that is the match I want to see, hopefully Lesnar needs to hold it till Mania without a doubt in my mind, no question Yeah, don't get me wrong. Bryan Vs. Brock at Wrestlemania 31 needs to happen. It's the endgame. With Bryan already being the underdog, with his neck issue, and with Brock the way he is, not respecting anyone, not having an ounce of honor and totally being in it for himself, it's built in to be one of the best WM moments ever. It's just...this is the WWE we're talking about. Wrestlemania 30 was never supposed to happen, let's face it. If people hadn't booed Batista out of the building at the Rumble, if Punk hadn't walked away, the results of the entire company would look completely different. Right now, I cannot, for the life of me, think of one man who could be a credible threat to Lesnar. If Cena had put up a fight, even in losing, I could buy in that someone can beat him. Not anymore. And in that respect, the WWE has backed themselves into a corner. Every fight is going to be a foregone conclusion. That's IF he even fights. It just...it feels like there is no way they're getting out of this in any good way. exactly. And anyway Bryan won't even be ready for Mania
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 17, 2014 22:17:50 GMT -5
It also doesn't make it true, funny how an opinion works. you find german suplex, talk to the ref for 30 seconds, pull him up slowly, german suplex repeat constantly entertaining For gods sake dude, shut up already.
No one agrees with you
You're just complaining to get a reaction out of people
You're borderline trolling at this point.
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Post by suave on Aug 17, 2014 22:19:09 GMT -5
It also doesn't make it true, funny how an opinion works. you find german suplex, talk to the ref for 30 seconds, pull him up slowly, german suplex repeat constantly entertaining It tells a story. Not every match is a spotfest where everyone keeps hitting every move. It was just brutal, and that's what it should be.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Aug 17, 2014 22:19:16 GMT -5
putting over a guy who screwed over your company is very stupid. People knew Brock was going to be here. Why should his appearance next month generate any more buys than have already purchased this month? They knew he would be at Mania. Based on that why didn't they flock to the network for that? He won't be on TV to build any significant stories. And his last two matches haven't been anything to write home about. Just to be clear my point is Brock at this point has generated every buy he should generate as his appearance is announced far enough in advance that everyone who wants to see him has plenty of time to subscribe. You truly have no idea how business works. My family runs a small business in flooring that survived the housing bubble crash
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Post by The Tee Why on Aug 17, 2014 22:19:20 GMT -5
"Awwww, someone not get what they wanted?"
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Post by benstudd on Aug 17, 2014 22:19:39 GMT -5
Yea I mean it has to be an insane build up. Maybe they could give the Bryan push to Ambrose from now to Mania where the whole Authority is against him and he defeats them as the supreme underdog. But I just don't see Reigns toppling this monster in a mano-mano fight. Brock is just too dominating. And it wouldn't be a good match anyway. oh please. Ambrose has done little but take beatings and his finisher should make Brock laugh based on the wa they've built him In my opinion you cannot beat Brock as far as power and strength, there's nobody outthere that can do it. Maybe Cesaro but they would have to re-build him. But if you go the other way, you take a man made of rubber that could take a lot of beatings, you could do that with Ambrose. Booking him as "the guy is insane, he won't ever give up".
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 17, 2014 22:20:10 GMT -5
My Zod, what a great show, especially that finish.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 17, 2014 22:20:11 GMT -5
Book something new to try to lure people to buy a network that hasn't reached the numbers the company wants with one of the ONLY legitimate over Cena megastars (as Cena is nowhere near as popular in monetary terms as them) they have (Rock & Brock) = stupid? Logic be damned! Good night everybody! What a show, Brock is the King of Everyworld. putting over a guy who screwed over your company is very stupid. People knew Brock was going to be here. Why should his appearance next month generate any more buys than have already purchased this month? They knew he would be at Mania. Based on that why didn't they flock to the network for that? He won't be on TV to build any significant stories. And his last two matches haven't been anything to write home about. Just to be clear my point is Brock at this point has generated every buy he should generate as his appearance is announced far enough in advance that everyone who wants to see him has plenty of time to subscribe. I'm sorry this is antiquated thinking. It's not the old days where people are going to buy just a PPV for one match, or to see one special attraction. The model has changed to a subscription. Now instead of SOS you actually had a monster come in, beat the streak and absolutely destroy the face of the company, cleanly with no bullshit shenanigans. They are trying to get people interested long term. Maybe Cena needed some time off. You can't book a rematch off this, no one would buy it. They saw him get totally destroyed, any other result a 2nd time would be a disaster. If he's going away for a bit, he did his job and helped build up the next champ in one freakin match. Now you have an unstoppable monster as champ, let the chase begin. It's storytelling 101 and it works in this case as the people that might actually sub long term to the network, (ie people over the age of 18 and have a job), could be sick and tired of the status quo with Cena as champ. This literally could be the best decision they have made in a while and it makes complete sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:20:36 GMT -5
Tomorrow night, on RAW! Ah, wonderful, to risk sounding exactly like a direct Michael Cole quote, the landscape of the WWE has changed!
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Post by thetower52 on Aug 17, 2014 22:20:52 GMT -5
The only man that can get the belt off Brock
Heath Slater
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Aug 17, 2014 22:21:22 GMT -5
I really hope this is the start of them making the belt really mean something. Like, if you have to beat THAT, challengers shouldn't be a dime a dozen. It should always have the big fight feel. Now they can start building the IC back up with Ziggler, embrace more blood feuds like Ambrose/Rollins, and really allow themselves to make stars of all the new guys.
I also hope this is also a "Cena just isn't the man he once was" sort of deal. By all means, acknowledge how he was destroyed, but now if certain people eventually take down Brock, you can't have Cena eventually beat them. They have put themselves in an interesting spot, to really freshen the product up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:21:21 GMT -5
To me if he can believably face (albiet wrestling suspension of disbelief and the dramatic form that stories take in wrestling) Morishima/Henry/Show like he has done in the past he is the ultimate underdog challenger for brock. With his moves like the curbstomps and both their mat work/mma background I would bet that they would have great chemistry together. And as I plan on going to mania live, that is the match I want to see, hopefully Lesnar needs to hold it till Mania without a doubt in my mind, no question Yeah, don't get me wrong. Bryan Vs. Brock at Wrestlemania 31 needs to happen. It's the endgame. With Bryan already being the underdog, with his neck issue, and with Brock the way he is, not respecting anyone, not having an ounce of honor and totally being in it for himself, it's built in to be one of the best WM moments ever. It's just...this is the WWE we're talking about. Wrestlemania 30 was never supposed to happen, let's face it. If people hadn't booed Batista out of the building at the Rumble, if Punk hadn't walked away, the results of the entire company would look completely different. Right now, I cannot, for the life of me, think of one man who could be a credible threat to Lesnar. If Cena had put up a fight, even in losing, I could buy in that someone can beat him. Not anymore. And in that respect, the WWE has backed themselves into a corner. Every fight is going to be a foregone conclusion. That's IF he even fights. It just...it feels like there is no way they're getting out of this in any good way. Styles make fights. The right guy on the right day can beat him. Lesnar knew he had Cena's number and he f***ed him up. That doesn't mean he will do the same thing every match.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 17, 2014 22:21:43 GMT -5
you find german suplex, talk to the ref for 30 seconds, pull him up slowly, german suplex repeat constantly entertaining For gods sake dude, shut up already.
No one agrees with you
You're just complaining to get a reaction out of people
You're borderline trolling at this point.
no I'm complaining for the same reason everyone else complains around here, I legitimately think WWE is stupid for doing something. I don't care if no one agrees. THis is a forum for people to air their opinions.
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Post by The Tee Why on Aug 17, 2014 22:22:37 GMT -5
Everyone would just ignore you know who, that'd be great, cmon group effort! Turn your back to HIS opinion
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