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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jul 24, 2014 11:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:17:57 GMT -5
The writing of this storyline is suspect though. It was played like she knew full well Paige was faking the whole time. I think if we're to blame AJ for anything, it's a bit of stupidity. That's it. I don't see how it played like she know Paige was faking, but I agree about the bit of stupidity part. Making yourself emotionally available is dangerous and stupid in many ways I felt like it was obvious that Paige was faking. At first, I thought Paige's title loss was her heel turn. Her calling AJ a "frenemy" and them suddenly getting along made no sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:23:58 GMT -5
I don't see how it played like she know Paige was faking, but I agree about the bit of stupidity part. Making yourself emotionally available is dangerous and stupid in many ways I felt like it was obvious that Paige was faking. At first, I thought Paige's title loss was her heel turn. Her calling AJ a "frenemy" and them suddenly getting along made no sense to me. Ah. You know. And this is me reading too much into subtext or whatever, but I assumed it was kind of a like a "We're both not your typical diva" camaraderie. Sure we don't get along, but at least we're not the Bellas or Eva Marie. But yeah, Paige's thing felt forced. From AJ's POV though this was her trying to trust someone again - is how I saw it. Plus we got some nice tag matches outta the thing. Their chemistry as a team is MUCH better than as opponents.
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Post by El Capitán on Jul 24, 2014 11:31:30 GMT -5
I felt like it was obvious that Paige was faking. At first, I thought Paige's title loss was her heel turn. Her calling AJ a "frenemy" and them suddenly getting along made no sense to me. Ah. You know. And this is me reading too much into subtext or whatever, but I assumed it was kind of a like a "We're both not your typical diva" camaraderie. Sure we don't get along, but at least we're not the Bellas or Eva Marie. But yeah, Paige's thing felt forced. From AJ's POV though this was her trying to trust someone again - is how I saw it. Plus we got some nice tag matches outta the thing. Their chemistry as a team is MUCH better than as opponents.Which is bad for the diva division. Paige is supposed to help AJ Lee keep it relatively credible. Anti-Diva's that resent the stereotypical girl glam and choose to fight. Everything is pointless if they can't put on (at least) a three star match. No one else will.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 24, 2014 11:33:56 GMT -5
figure AJ has no friends on the roster right now (you haven;t really seen her with anyone but Paige since her return) so even a frenemy is better than nothing in her mind. then said frenemy turns on her. of course other than now wrestling heels AJ hasn;t done anything overly face-y kinda doing the old stone cold thing of whether they're a face or heel is determined not by how they act but by who they are beating up because otherwise they're acting the same way they did before.
though i agree with some that it seemed at times that AJ knew it was an act by Paige and was playing along. then sometimes she didn't.
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 24, 2014 11:38:10 GMT -5
Ah. You know. And this is me reading too much into subtext or whatever, but I assumed it was kind of a like a "We're both not your typical diva" camaraderie. Sure we don't get along, but at least we're not the Bellas or Eva Marie. But yeah, Paige's thing felt forced. From AJ's POV though this was her trying to trust someone again - is how I saw it. Plus we got some nice tag matches outta the thing. Their chemistry as a team is MUCH better than as opponents.Which is bad for the diva division. Paige is supposed to help AJ Lee keep it relatively credible. Anti-Diva's that resent the stereotypical girl glam and choose to fight. Everything is pointless if they can't put on (at least) a three star match. No one else will. This wouldn't be a problem if they wrestled each other on house shows. Paige was a nervous wreck at times and AJ had a fair bit of ring rust. I hope they'll get it together for Summerslam. I just worry that the same hot crowd won't be there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:41:27 GMT -5
I felt like it was obvious that Paige was faking. At first, I thought Paige's title loss was her heel turn. Her calling AJ a "frenemy" and them suddenly getting along made no sense to me. Ah. You know. And this is me reading too much into subtext or whatever, but I assumed it was kind of a like a "We're both not your typical diva" camaraderie. Sure we don't get along, but at least we're not the Bellas or Eva Marie. But yeah, Paige's thing felt forced. From AJ's POV though this was her trying to trust someone again - is how I saw it. Plus we got some nice tag matches outta the thing. Their chemistry as a team is MUCH better than as opponents. I think there's something to be said for how bad the storytelling in a program is when we have to resort to headcannon of all things! That said, I do it too sometimes, although I never believe too much in it with WWE stuff. Paige and AJ as a team isn't a bad idea. Although if they had any intention of working off of that, they'd need to bring some people up to the main roster to fill things out. They're getting there (it's not like the Divas of Doom where there'd be nobody to wrestle; Naomi, Emma and Natalya are all good in the ring) though, so maybe it's not that far off.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 24, 2014 11:44:30 GMT -5
AJ doesn't deserve sympathy. The abuse she took was rough. But her best friend Kaitlyn tried to tell her to dump Bryan.
fast forward to now and she's been run from the company and humiliated at every turn. I'd say that not so long ago injustice earns a beating.
AJ was a pile of shit forever. So give it back to her 10 fold.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:47:21 GMT -5
Ah. You know. And this is me reading too much into subtext or whatever, but I assumed it was kind of a like a "We're both not your typical diva" camaraderie. Sure we don't get along, but at least we're not the Bellas or Eva Marie. But yeah, Paige's thing felt forced. From AJ's POV though this was her trying to trust someone again - is how I saw it. Plus we got some nice tag matches outta the thing. Their chemistry as a team is MUCH better than as opponents.Which is bad for the diva division. Paige is supposed to help AJ Lee keep it relatively credible. Anti-Diva's that resent the stereotypical girl glam and choose to fight. Everything is pointless if they can't put on (at least) a three star match. No one else will. "That reject the stereotypical girl glam" and still wear revealing outfits, stick their butts out and paint their faces like geisha. I don't think that's very anti-diva at all. To me, that's just a darker diva palette swap. I'm kind of disappointed we don't have anyone who fits the mould of "I may be hot, but I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum" as in the thing most male wrestlers do. A female who doesn't go out of her way to emphasize the sex appeal. From what little I've seen with her, they're sort of doing this with Becky Lynch, but usually that leads to "Happy go lucky bubbly face" when they hit the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:48:38 GMT -5
AJ was a pile of shit forever. So give it back to her 10 fold. I know we're talking about a wrestling storyline, but I find this kind of mindset to be so fascinatingly mutually destructive.
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 24, 2014 11:52:11 GMT -5
Which is bad for the diva division. Paige is supposed to help AJ Lee keep it relatively credible. Anti-Diva's that resent the stereotypical girl glam and choose to fight. Everything is pointless if they can't put on (at least) a three star match. No one else will. "That reject the stereotypical girl glam" and still wear revealing outfits, stick their butts out and paint their faces like geisha. I don't think that's very anti-diva at all. To me, that's just a darker diva palette swap. I'm kind of disappointed we don't have anyone who fits the mould of "I may be hot, but I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum" as in the thing most male wrestlers do. A female who doesn't go out of her way to emphasize the sex appeal. From what little I've seen with her, they're sort of doing this with Becky Lynch, but usually that leads to "Happy go lucky bubbly face" when they hit the main roster. That's not gonna happen in WWE, with its current management. Look at what they did with Beth and Nattie - one of the worst times in the division recently. Though, if they did, Cheerleader Melissa would be good for it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 24, 2014 11:53:31 GMT -5
AJ was a pile of shit forever. So give it back to her 10 fold. I know we're talking about a wrestling storyline, but I find this kind of mindset to be so fascinatingly mutually destructive. Well I only think that way because it's wrestling. If any form of entertainment lends it self to total payback it's this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:57:31 GMT -5
"That reject the stereotypical girl glam" and still wear revealing outfits, stick their butts out and paint their faces like geisha. I don't think that's very anti-diva at all. To me, that's just a darker diva palette swap. I'm kind of disappointed we don't have anyone who fits the mould of "I may be hot, but I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum" as in the thing most male wrestlers do. A female who doesn't go out of her way to emphasize the sex appeal. From what little I've seen with her, they're sort of doing this with Becky Lynch, but usually that leads to "Happy go lucky bubbly face" when they hit the main roster. That's not gonna happen in WWE, with its current management. Look at what they did with Beth and Nattie - one of the worst times in the division recently. Though, if they did, Cheerleader Melissa would be good for it. Vince and Kevin Dunn be damned, they've had good times in the division before. Most of the recent woes with women's wrestling came from them putting hacks like Maryse and Kelly Kelly in the ring and treating them as legit, hogging TV time that actual wrestlers could've gotten. It seems as though they've given up on that. The Total Divas Divas are mostly segregated from the "real" divas outside of working as jobbers, which means them being given title rotations and stinking up the division is at a minimal risk. Mind you I'm not saying the division is going to be great, but if Paige and AJ had a better match at the PPV, I think most of the conversation would be leaning towards this being a new horizon for women's wrestling within the company.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 24, 2014 12:00:50 GMT -5
It's a much smaller scale, but AJ not getting payback would be like the NWO just falling apart and never getting beaten.
Paige is just doing what Sting should have long ago
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 12:00:52 GMT -5
I know we're talking about a wrestling storyline, but I find this kind of mindset to be so fascinatingly mutually destructive. Well I only think that way because it's wrestling. If any form of entertainment lends it self to total payback it's this. No, no. I get that. It just made me think about people who apply that line of thinking to real life. Even in a wrestling storyline its a tenuous arguement because everyone's been a heel or done heelish stuff at some point so it becomes a rabbit hole of who was either MORE heelish or who was heelish first. Which is tantamount to a pissing contest. Then you get into the whole idea that, for example, AJ never did a thing to Paige short of tease her a bit and give her an impromptu title shot, so she really doesn't have the moral high ground in this case because you COULD make the arguement that Paige actually drew first blood by betraying AJ, even if she was problematic prior to this. She was never mean to Paige so Paige's betrayal to AJ isn't really justified by AJ's prior heelish actions.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 24, 2014 12:07:10 GMT -5
Well I only think that way because it's wrestling. If any form of entertainment lends it self to total payback it's this. No, no. I get that. It just made me think about people who apply that line of thinking to real life. Even in a wrestling storyline its a tenuous arguement because everyone's been a heel or done heelish stuff at some point so it becomes a rabbit hole of who was either MORE heelish or who was heelish first. Which is tantamount to a pissing contest. Then you get into the whole idea that, for example, AJ never did a thing to Paige short of tease her a bit and give her an impromptu title shot, so she really doesn't have the moral high ground in this case because you COULD make the arguement that Paige actually drew first blood by betraying AJ, even if she was problematic prior to this. She was never mean to Paige so Paige's betrayal to AJ isn't really justified by AJ's prior heelish actions. I do agree with that. I think Kaitlyn should have been the one to take her down. As far as I know she was never a big heel so she had the moral high ground and motive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 12:10:31 GMT -5
No, no. I get that. It just made me think about people who apply that line of thinking to real life. Even in a wrestling storyline its a tenuous arguement because everyone's been a heel or done heelish stuff at some point so it becomes a rabbit hole of who was either MORE heelish or who was heelish first. Which is tantamount to a pissing contest. Then you get into the whole idea that, for example, AJ never did a thing to Paige short of tease her a bit and give her an impromptu title shot, so she really doesn't have the moral high ground in this case because you COULD make the arguement that Paige actually drew first blood by betraying AJ, even if she was problematic prior to this. She was never mean to Paige so Paige's betrayal to AJ isn't really justified by AJ's prior heelish actions. I do agree with that. I think Kaitlyn should have been the one to take her down. As far as I know she was never a big heel so she had the moral high ground and motive. Kaitlyn would have been a VERY good choice. Especially if they played it more like she was putting down a monster she helped create and/or a friend who she loved but needed to be stopped. Like she kept losing to AJ because she kept holding back because they were friends only for Kaitlyn to finally go all-in and take AJ down. Afterwards AJ will become a face again and thank Kaitlyn for LITERALLY knocking some sense into her!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 12:19:05 GMT -5
I do agree with that. I think Kaitlyn should have been the one to take her down. As far as I know she was never a big heel so she had the moral high ground and motive. Kaitlyn would have been a VERY good choice. Especially if they played it more like she was putting down a monster she helped create and/or a friend who she loved but needed to be stopped. Like she kept losing to AJ because she kept holding back because they were friends only for Kaitlyn to finally go all-in and take AJ down. Afterwards AJ will become a face again and thank Kaitlyn for LITERALLY knocking some sense into her! I wonder if that would've gotten Kaitlyn to stay. I wasn't a big fan of hers, but she was okay and was getting pretty strong reactions from fans. That and she had a marketable look. Different is always marketable, because there's always a niche.
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 24, 2014 12:48:21 GMT -5
This is the company who booked a man as a babyface not long after he all-but-raped a woman in order to impregnate her with his seed and shotgun-married her. It's pretty much a given at this stage that Vince doesn't think much of his audience's powers of recall. No matter how much of a dick someone has been over the years, so long as they've been reasonably well-behaved in the past fortnight we can be expected to cheer them.
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Post by El Capitán on Jul 24, 2014 13:59:14 GMT -5
Which is bad for the diva division. Paige is supposed to help AJ Lee keep it relatively credible. Anti-Diva's that resent the stereotypical girl glam and choose to fight. Everything is pointless if they can't put on (at least) a three star match. No one else will. "That reject the stereotypical girl glam" and still wear revealing outfits, stick their butts out and paint their faces like geisha. I don't think that's very anti-diva at all. To me, that's just a darker diva palette swap. I'm kind of disappointed we don't have anyone who fits the mould of "I may be hot, but I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum" as in the thing most male wrestlers do. A female who doesn't go out of her way to emphasize the sex appeal. From what little I've seen with her, they're sort of doing this with Becky Lynch, but usually that leads to "Happy go lucky bubbly face" when they hit the main roster. Well attitude is as far as we're going to get at this point. They're always going to expose themselves to some extent because it draws money.
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