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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2014 11:53:14 GMT -5
Just to parrot an earlier point; what is wrong with these "kids" networks who get shows that get strong followings, yet cancel them due to "they're not the demographics we were looking for"?
I get the toy line and merchandise angle of it; being able to pump out cheap action figures or school folders or whatever is easier than appealing to an older set with more expensive stuff.
But if you signed on for a series, and in this case a series you KNEW would have that kind of following based on its predecessor, why wouldn't you alter the way you market/present it? Is there not more notice to be had by having a critically acclaimed series and pushing the hell out of it, the way AMC did with Breaking Bad, even just as a way to get more eyes on your other properties?
It's why adult swim, for all its faults, remains one of the smarter things Cartoon Network ever did; they knew based on ratings for things like Space Ghost Coast to Coast that they had a crossover hit, so instead of forcing the show to change, they evolved and altered the presentation around it.
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 24, 2014 11:53:52 GMT -5
Between this and the Sam and Cat debacle, something needs to change at Nick soon, or they'll finally end up too far behind CN and Disney to ever be on top again. You know what needs to change? Spongebob needs to die. That's what needs to change. Their over-reliance on Spongebob will be the end of them eventually.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jul 24, 2014 11:57:46 GMT -5
Between this and the Sam and Cat debacle, something needs to change at Nick soon, or they'll finally end up too far behind CN and Disney to ever be on top again. You know what needs to change? Spongebob needs to die. That's what needs to change. Their over-reliance on Spongebob will be the end of them eventually. Well, the thing with that is I think Spongebob still gets decent ratings for them. What I meant was that Viacom needs to fire whoever is running Nick, or at least the person in charge of the Schedules and Programming Department.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 12:42:25 GMT -5
Between this and the Sam and Cat debacle, something needs to change at Nick soon, or they'll finally end up too far behind CN and Disney to ever be on top again. You know what needs to change? Spongebob needs to die. That's what needs to change. Their over-reliance on Spongebob will be the end of them eventually. Yeah. To Nick, anything that doesn't meet Spongebob's success is a failure to them. How it's been for years.
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Post by Crimson on Jul 24, 2014 12:46:09 GMT -5
Just to parrot an earlier point; what is wrong with these "kids" networks who get shows that get strong followings, yet cancel them due to "they're not the demographics we were looking for"? It all goes back to advertiser investment. Demographics are so crucial to networks because they are trying to attract advertisers to make a profit. Advertisers aren't happy if people outside of the demographic is watching the show because they aren't going to by the toys or Happy Meals being shown in the commercials.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 24, 2014 13:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 13:37:48 GMT -5
Just to parrot an earlier point; what is wrong with these "kids" networks who get shows that get strong followings, yet cancel them due to "they're not the demographics we were looking for"? It all goes back to advertiser investment. Demographics are so crucial to networks because they are trying to attract advertisers to make a profit. Advertisers aren't happy if people outside of the demographic is watching the show because they aren't going to by the toys or Happy Meals being shown in the commercials. This is why I love PBS, Hub and Disney Channel... all 3 of them thrive on periphery demographics, and many times have catered to them specifically. CN does it to an extent also, but not nearly as much. If Nick did the same (outside of Spongebob, of course) then you wouldn't have situations like the one involving Korra happening.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 24, 2014 13:44:45 GMT -5
Yeah, one of the smartest things Hasbro has done was take the whole Brony thing and instead of going "These aren't little girls! CANCEL THE SHOW!" they went "Hey, let's milk these adult fans of the show!" I think if they didn't do that, MLP:FIM would've ended a couple of seasons ago and The Hub probably would've changed into something else entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 13:49:18 GMT -5
Yeah, one of the smartest things Hasbro has done was take the whole Brony thing and instead of going "These aren't little girls! CANCEL THE SHOW!" they went "Hey, let's milk these adult fans of the show!" I think if they didn't do that, MLP:FIM would've ended a couple of seasons ago and The Hub probably would've changed into something else entirely. I also think I have never heard of a show being cancelled literally because too many boys watched it as opposed to girls even if the show is for little girls like MLP, Jem, or Sailor Moon.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2014 13:57:51 GMT -5
Just to parrot an earlier point; what is wrong with these "kids" networks who get shows that get strong followings, yet cancel them due to "they're not the demographics we were looking for"? It all goes back to advertiser investment. Demographics are so crucial to networks because they are trying to attract advertisers to make a profit. Advertisers aren't happy if people outside of the demographic is watching the show because they aren't going to by the toys or Happy Meals being shown in the commercials. Definitely true, though again, in the case of Korra Nick had to realize the type of crossover they had with the original Avatar series, and how much of that core audience had only gotten older in the intervening years. It speaks volumes about them if they didn't plan ahead on that.
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Post by hassanchop on Jul 24, 2014 13:59:50 GMT -5
I think this was because of Nick not getting over Korra being a female protagonist, as well as them throwing a tantrum about the leaks in Mexico. Not to mention, they resent the fact that most of Korra's fanbase are twenty and thirtysomethings. It was supposed to premiere in the Fall. That doesn't excuse the lack of previews or anything to promote the fact it was coming on this month. Of course, if 90% of Nick's schedule wasn't lackluster garbage more people might have known about it. Plus let's face it, if it did air in the Fall they still wouldn't have kept it on Friday and wouldn't advertise it. There was no reason it couldn't stay on Saturdays. That sounds like the mentality Cartoon Network had when they made Level Up demanding they needed more boys watching. Sad really.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 24, 2014 14:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by Crimson on Jul 24, 2014 14:02:02 GMT -5
It all goes back to advertiser investment. Demographics are so crucial to networks because they are trying to attract advertisers to make a profit. Advertisers aren't happy if people outside of the demographic is watching the show because they aren't going to by the toys or Happy Meals being shown in the commercials. Definitely true, though again, in the case of Korra Nick had to realize the type of crossover they had with the original Avatar series, and how much of that core audience had only gotten older in the intervening years. It speaks volumes about them if they didn't plan ahead on that. I think part of it too was that they were banking on Avatar being a "bigger" franchise. When they first commissioned the new series it was also around the same time the live action movie was coming out. That movie ended up crashing and burning and then Bryke started setting of Nick's red flags by doing things like making the new Avatar a female (another big "taboo" when it comes to action shows.) Honestly, my belief is Nick is being so quick to torch the franchise because their expectations of being a Star Wars/Harry Potter-like franchise didn't pan out.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 24, 2014 14:04:02 GMT -5
I swear, they do that on purpose. Happens on Power Rangers all the time.
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 24, 2014 14:21:41 GMT -5
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jul 24, 2014 14:38:44 GMT -5
Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend Of Korra are too good for the network, heck it is too good for western animation. If this was anime, it would be treated much better by whatever network like TV Tokyo or TV Asahi,or Fuji TV aired it.
Seriously animated shows like this are only acceptable in Japan. With Young Justice being canceled, what Teen Titans has become, what Ben 10 has become, dramatic cartoon like Gagoyles back in the day are an endangered species here in the west.
Well this is Nickelodoen, you want to go old school, I am thinking of doing a Legend Of Korra preempt announcement like they did on You Can't Do That On Television. Now that is truely old school.
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Post by Crimson on Jul 24, 2014 15:29:02 GMT -5
If they ship the rest of the episodes to like Netflix I'm cool with that. Korra works best binge watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 15:37:07 GMT -5
If they ship the rest of the episodes to like Netflix I'm cool with that. Korra works best binge watching it. It won't go to Netflix (or Hulu, for that matter) due to Viacom having an exclusivity contract with Amazon.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 24, 2014 15:41:26 GMT -5
You know what needs to change? Spongebob needs to die. That's what needs to change. Their over-reliance on Spongebob will be the end of them eventually. Yeah. To Nick, anything that doesn't meet Spongebob's success is a failure to them. How it's been for years. I don't think Spongebob is THE problem but it's a pretty big one. It's not a good sign when the only ace in the hole you see worth keeping is one that's been there for over 15 years. SpongeBob is the John Cena of Nick. Hell besides Spongebob, Oddparents, and Sanjay and Craig, are there ANY Nick cartoons left? Honestly after seeing the very low ratings the last few episodes have had, I had a feeling Korra was going to get the boot after the end of this season. You know they are getting pissed off with leaks when their promos say "Catch an all new Korra, one you can't see online." Part of it is the show was marketed poorly, hell I would always look at my DVR and go "oh there was a new Korra?" Of course Nick is not going to admit to that. I'm happy that at least the show is going to be on online distribution so the fans of the show can get the full story instead of the show just ending unfinished.
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Post by Crimson on Jul 24, 2014 15:46:32 GMT -5
Hell besides Spongebob, Oddparents, and Sanjay and Craig, are there ANY Nick cartoons left? Someone actually made a point on another board that I thought was pretty interesting. The success of TMNT, both ratings and commercial-wise, ended up making Korra's "shortcomings" more damning. A show like Korra is not cheap to produce so when you consider that it attracts the "wrong" demographic and has no strong toyline, Nick doesn't have much motivation to keep it.
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