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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 24, 2014 16:00:04 GMT -5
If they ship the rest of the episodes to like Netflix I'm cool with that. Korra works best binge watching it. As an ultimate insult, Korra will be shipped everywhere except with Bolin.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 24, 2014 16:12:30 GMT -5
How did I forget about TMNT on Nick? D:
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 24, 2014 16:31:55 GMT -5
Yeah. To Nick, anything that doesn't meet Spongebob's success is a failure to them. How it's been for years. I don't think Spongebob is THE problem but it's a pretty big one. It's not a good sign when the only ace in the hole you see worth keeping is one that's been there for over 15 years. SpongeBob is the John Cena of Nick. Hell besides Spongebob, Oddparents, and Sanjay and Craig, are there ANY Nick cartoons left? Honestly after seeing the very low ratings the last few episodes have had, I had a feeling Korra was going to get the boot after the end of this season. You know they are getting pissed off with leaks when their promos say "Catch an all new Korra, one you can't see online." Part of it is the show was marketed poorly, hell I would always look at my DVR and go "oh there was a new Korra?" Of course Nick is not going to admit to that. I'm happy that at least the show is going to be on online distribution so the fans of the show can get the full story instead of the show just ending unfinished. I like this analogy: Spongebob is John Cena, who does respectable numbers but isn't really bringing new people in, to say nothing that many people find the show to be tired and dated; Nickelodeon is WWE, a company that had to have fans force a Daniel Bryan main event on the management; Legend of Korra is probably like Dolph Ziggler or Damien Sandow, a plucky, talented, fresh face to the scene who gets short shrift because the old boring guard won't get out of the way and who could do really well if the company would but a decent push into promotion and elevation.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jul 24, 2014 16:34:54 GMT -5
Part of me is happy that Korra will be posted online, but part of me is very mad at how dirty Nick has done this show for the past two/three years. ATLA and ALOTK didn't make money because Nick didn't want them to make money.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 24, 2014 16:38:49 GMT -5
If they ship the rest of the episodes to like Netflix I'm cool with that. Korra works best binge watching it. It won't go to Netflix (or Hulu, for that matter) due to Viacom having an exclusivity contract with Amazon. Welp, looks like I'm never going to see any more Korra because I don't have Amazon's streaming service and I'm not going to subscribe to it just for Korra.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 24, 2014 16:43:56 GMT -5
Yeah, one of the smartest things Hasbro has done was take the whole Brony thing and instead of going "These aren't little girls! CANCEL THE SHOW!" they went "Hey, let's milk these adult fans of the show!" I think if they didn't do that, MLP:FIM would've ended a couple of seasons ago and The Hub probably would've changed into something else entirely. I also think I have never heard of a show being cancelled literally because too many boys watched it as opposed to girls even if the show is for little girls like MLP, Jem, or Sailor Moon. To be fair, the last one is an anime that is probably meant for a somewhat older audience than what we got in the US. Not that Sailor Moon is exactly Ninja Scroll or anything, but it wasn't without its censorship in the US. Japanese companies also don't seem to give much of a shit about if their shows are attractive outside of their target demos. A lot of shounen shows over there are hugely popular with women, too. And instead of freaking out about it, they tap that gold mine and make a lot of money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 16:52:08 GMT -5
I also think I have never heard of a show being cancelled literally because too many boys watched it as opposed to girls even if the show is for little girls like MLP, Jem, or Sailor Moon. To be fair, the last one is an anime that is probably meant for a somewhat older audience than what we got in the US. Not that Sailor Moon is exactly Ninja Scroll or anything, but it wasn't without its censorship in the US. Japanese companies also don't seem to give much of a shit about if their shows are attractive outside of their target demos. A lot of shounen shows over there are hugely popular with women, too. And instead of freaking out about it, they tap that gold mine and make a lot of money. This is true. Just look at Doraemon. It's aimed at a very young demo, yet is EXTREMELY popular.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2014 17:01:50 GMT -5
It won't go to Netflix (or Hulu, for that matter) due to Viacom having an exclusivity contract with Amazon. Welp, looks like I'm never going to see any more Korra because I don't have Amazon's streaming service and I'm not going to subscribe to it just for Korra. The Korra Facebook account says it'll be on Amazon, Google Play, XBox, and Hulu.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 24, 2014 17:03:09 GMT -5
Welp, looks like I'm never going to see any more Korra because I don't have Amazon's streaming service and I'm not going to subscribe to it just for Korra. The Korra Facebook account says it'll be on Amazon, Google Play, XBox, and Hulu. Hulu I do have, so yay!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 17:32:13 GMT -5
I also think I have never heard of a show being cancelled literally because too many boys watched it as opposed to girls even if the show is for little girls like MLP, Jem, or Sailor Moon. To be fair, the last one is an anime that is probably meant for a somewhat older audience than what we got in the US. Not that Sailor Moon is exactly Ninja Scroll or anything, but it wasn't without its censorship in the US. Japanese companies also don't seem to give much of a shit about if their shows are attractive outside of their target demos. A lot of shounen shows over there are hugely popular with women, too. And instead of freaking out about it, they tap that gold mine and make a lot of money. Shounen might be popular with women and the family but by definition, Shounen is geared towards little boys. I'm just an outsider, but from what I can tell it works a lot like it does here. The shounen stuff geared towards little boys is considered "universal and fun for the whole family" and the shoujo stuff geared towards girls is considered inferior primarily because the idea that things geared towards little girls suck for anyone else to read. I included Sailor Moon for a reason: Sailor Moon is VEHEMENTLY a show about girls for little girls around the ages of the protags. That was even apparent with the parts they edited when a lot of us in the States saw it. It's a very interesting case. It's pro-girl to the point where when the Sailor Moon Crystal remake debuted, men actually weren't allowed to see it unless accompanied by a woman or a girl. From what I remember the creator was more about making a safe space for the girls and women who enjoyed/grew up with Sailor Moon than appealing to periphery of men, because let's be real, we tend to take over and muscle out the intended fanbase if what we like is geared towards little girls and/or women.
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Post by Juice on Jul 24, 2014 19:42:47 GMT -5
Never watched it but I thought conceptually Avatar was neat. The spin off seemed like cheap exploitation of it's success. But I am an adult and not interested in childish cartoons so maybe I am not the best to voice an opinion.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 24, 2014 19:49:47 GMT -5
To be fair, the last one is an anime that is probably meant for a somewhat older audience than what we got in the US. Not that Sailor Moon is exactly Ninja Scroll or anything, but it wasn't without its censorship in the US. Japanese companies also don't seem to give much of a shit about if their shows are attractive outside of their target demos. A lot of shounen shows over there are hugely popular with women, too. And instead of freaking out about it, they tap that gold mine and make a lot of money. Shounen might be popular with women and the family but by definition, Shounen is geared towards little boys. I'm just an outsider, but from what I can tell it works a lot like it does here. The shounen stuff geared towards little boys is considered "universal and fun for the whole family" and the shoujo stuff geared towards girls is considered inferior primarily because the idea that things geared towards little girls suck for anyone else to read. I included Sailor Moon for a reason: Sailor Moon is VEHEMENTLY a show about girls for little girls around the ages of the protags. That was even apparent with the parts they edited when a lot of us in the States saw it. It's a very interesting case. It's pro-girl to the point where when the Sailor Moon Crystal remake debuted, men actually weren't allowed to see it unless accompanied by a woman or a girl. From what I remember the creator was more about making a safe space for the girls and women who enjoyed/grew up with Sailor Moon than appealing to periphery of men, because let's be real, we tend to take over and muscle out the intended fanbase if what we like is geared towards little girls and/or women. In addition to this in the manga, and thus, the new anime, Sailor Mars actually hates men and discourages the other Sailor Scouts from having relationships with men. Granted she has a good reason for this(to say she doesn't exactly have a nice relationship with her father is putting it VERY lightly).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 24, 2014 19:51:44 GMT -5
Never watched it but I thought conceptually Avatar was neat. The spin off seemed like cheap exploitation of it's success. But I am an adult and not interested in childish cartoons so maybe I am not the best to voice an opinion. You're never too old to enjoy Cartoons sir. If they don't appeal to you anymore that's fine, but a lot of Korra's audience was an older demographic, and some things that happened in the show were far from childish.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jul 24, 2014 20:34:50 GMT -5
Never was a huge Avatar/Korra fan, but if this show got lower ratings then Breadwinners I have officially lost all faith in humanity...or at least the section of humanity that watch Nickelodeon.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2014 23:05:37 GMT -5
Never watched it but I thought conceptually Avatar was neat. The spin off seemed like cheap exploitation of it's success. But I am an adult and not interested in childish cartoons so maybe I am not the best to voice an opinion. Not a particularly childish show, and I'm kind of confused how it can be "cheap exploitation" when it was designed by the original series' creators and clearly has a painstaking amount of work and detail put into it.
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Post by Juice on Jul 25, 2014 14:25:36 GMT -5
Never watched it but I thought conceptually Avatar was neat. The spin off seemed like cheap exploitation of it's success. But I am an adult and not interested in childish cartoons so maybe I am not the best to voice an opinion. Not a particularly childish show, and I'm kind of confused how it can be "cheap exploitation" when it was designed by the original series' creators and clearly has a painstaking amount of work and detail put into it. BEcause it wasn't intended to exist prior to Avatars success. It was a cash in on and attempt to franchise a popular cartoon that came before it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 25, 2014 18:34:18 GMT -5
Not a particularly childish show, and I'm kind of confused how it can be "cheap exploitation" when it was designed by the original series' creators and clearly has a painstaking amount of work and detail put into it. BEcause it wasn't intended to exist prior to Avatars success. It was a cash in on and attempt to franchise a popular cartoon that came before it. That doesn't answer what you said at all, and effectively means that all sequels are cheap exploitations, even if the original creators design, write, and/or direct them. Guess Godfather II counts?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 19:05:58 GMT -5
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Post by Juice on Jul 25, 2014 19:35:09 GMT -5
BEcause it wasn't intended to exist prior to Avatars success. It was a cash in on and attempt to franchise a popular cartoon that came before it. That doesn't answer what you said at all, and effectively means that all sequels are cheap exploitations, even if the original creators design, write, and/or direct them. Guess Godfather II counts? Yeah to an extent. It didn't need to occur. The book sequels hadn't existed yet. Avatar was successful and they wanted to milk more out of it and so this other one was made. Sorry you're offended cause I spoke ill of your cartoon. But yeah it was a spin off that didn't need to exist, and doesn't enhance the original story at all. Just something to try and sell more merch to the kiddos. LIke I said. Never watched it. Barely watched the first one. Thought it was too childish for my liking. So as an outsider it looked like a cheap exploitation. Nick ended Avatar but still wanted to drain the money bags from it, so Korra was born. Doesn;t matter if the same creators were involved or not. They aren't the ones ordering the episodes, and apparently it was a cheap knock off cause it failed.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 25, 2014 20:13:14 GMT -5
That doesn't answer what you said at all, and effectively means that all sequels are cheap exploitations, even if the original creators design, write, and/or direct them. Guess Godfather II counts? Yeah to an extent. It didn't need to occur. The book sequels hadn't existed yet. Avatar was successful and they wanted to milk more out of it and so this other one was made. Sorry you're offended cause I spoke ill of your cartoon. But yeah it was a spin off that didn't need to exist, and doesn't enhance the original story at all. Just something to try and sell more merch to the kiddos. LIke I said. Never watched it. Barely watched the first one. Thought it was too childish for my liking. So as an outsider it looked like a cheap exploitation. Nick ended Avatar but still wanted to drain the money bags from it, so Korra was born. Doesn;t matter if the same creators were involved or not. They aren't the ones ordering the episodes, and apparently it was a cheap knock off cause it failed. So you admit you know absolutely nothing about the series, yet say it was made "to sell more merch to the kiddies", brush off the Godfather II comparison, and cop an attitude about it? Nicely done, if incredibly absurd.
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