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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:40:23 GMT -5
In fairness, I do think Hogan improved somewhat toward the end of his movie-making career. There were moments in Santa With Muscles where he was just having a conversation and he didn't seem like he was about to tear his t-shirt.
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Post by baerrtt on Jul 25, 2014 12:49:23 GMT -5
Another factor is that Dwayne, unlike Hogan, had conventionally handsome leading man looks which became more evident as he slimmed down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 19:28:45 GMT -5
Another factor is that Dwayne, unlike Hogan, had conventionally handsome leading man looks which became more evident as he slimmed down. True, and any scene with Hogan doing something romantic was like watching your dad flirt. Blech.
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Post by revolverjgw on Jul 26, 2014 1:10:27 GMT -5
Hogan is a real-life cartoon character. The skullet, the orange skin, the giant mustache... if you take away his look you take away a big part of his appeal and presence. And if you keep the look, well, there's no many things you can do with that.
Off topic a bit, I remember being SO confused when I saw Undertaker in Suburban Commando. Why would a dead guy want to be in a movie, and why the hell did the Hulkster let him in HIS movie? It defied all logic in my 9 year old brain.
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Post by FunkerCM on Jul 26, 2014 4:41:40 GMT -5
The major studios had and still have an interest in The Rock whereas Hogan's movies only had himself, Vince, Turner or one of his buddies producing.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jul 26, 2014 5:41:05 GMT -5
Because Hogan couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag and the movies he was in were high grade shite.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jul 26, 2014 5:50:41 GMT -5
Rock was willing to stick with it full time longer than Hogan was and he also has less action star competition. Rock made it his priority, whereas Hogan never did. I'm not saying that Hogan would have made it to Rock's level, but he could have done well if he'd gotten the right breaks at the right time. He also tried to show range when he really wasn't ready for it--the same thing Rock did after starting off as an action star.
Lest we forget, Rock didn't do much better than Hogan at first. He went had to wonder through the desert for a while himself.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 26, 2014 7:15:32 GMT -5
I thing there are a lot of things that go into it.
The type of charisma that Hogan had makes him quite noticeable but doesn't lend itself well to acting as anyone other than Hulk Hogan. So all of Hogans roles are basically just Hogan in different jobs and situations. Whereas the Rock's charisma is such that he could actually play different characters and have it work. Long story short, Rock is just a naturally better actor for Hollywood than Hogan.
Obviously, the roles selected for each person had a lot to do with it. The Rock did fairly serious movies off the bat before falling into the goofy family comedy trap, whereas Hogan never ventured beyond goofy family films. Even if the Rock wasn't a great actor at first, he was at least serviceable in the roles he got, it was never as gimmicky as Hogan was.
And of course longevity has something to do with it. Hogan realized that he wasn't going to be successful as a Hollywood actor, so he became Hollywood Hogan instead. Rock stuck with it long enough that he's no longer "wrestler turned actor" but "actor."
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jul 26, 2014 9:57:25 GMT -5
At the time, wrestling stars were considered a 'niche' type of entertainers, and NOT thought of as leading men. The only roles they could get were in campy movies or B-list films.
Wrestlers don't have that stigma anymore.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jul 26, 2014 10:03:34 GMT -5
Nathan Fillion was asked if he always chose his roles and his response was that he was flattered people thought he had a choice in the matter. Hogan starred in bad movies because that's all there was for him. Maybe this was worse than what he was offered or this was the best he got, I doubt there was anything significantly better than Mr. Nanny or Suburban Commando. If he went for more action roles, he'd just be starring in Brian Bosworth's movies like Stone Cold or Blackout. He has a great look for wrestling, very memorable, but it's very specific and would only fit in certain character actor roles; the big strong guy. And those roles are usually supporting in major action films like Jesse Ventura's roles in Predator and Running Man. I think Rock and his people realized that Walking Tall and Doom were all he going to do, but significantly smaller budgets and releases and if he wanted to be in big films, he had to be a supporting actor in it. Be Cool didn't do that well either, but he got to play against type and he also appeared in Get Smart in a major supporting role.
The time period also limited him. When Hogan would appear on something like Regis and Kathy Lee, he'd be in his wrestling tights. When Rock and Austin would go on the late night shows like Conan, they'd get to be themselves. They wouldn't necessarily break kayfabe, but they can speak casually on their characters like how they came up with their catchphrases. Contrast to when Hogan was on Jay Leno, he was Hollywood. Hogan had to play the character and it took over. Dwayne Johnson gets to show he's playing the Rock and that there are other versions of the character. He's a tough guy, but he can also just be fun.
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Post by NOwave on Jul 26, 2014 14:17:51 GMT -5
This is the answer. Dwayne Johnson has been praised for his on-screen abilities by many critics. He is an immensely talented entertainer who can thrive in multiple venues. Heck, he could probably make it on Broadway.
Hogan is a very talented wrestler, and only secondarily(and less talented) an entertainer, no matter what kind of spin he and Vince try to put on it.
Add that to the other factors mentioned (bad script choices, more competitive field then, etc). I always thought the Rock had more mainstream potential than Hogan. He’s just a gifted guy.
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