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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 24, 2014 17:17:39 GMT -5
From Summerslam '12. After Brock makes him submit and leaves; HHH mills around the ring, and gets on the mic to say something about "Sorry I let you down" or what have you.
Clearly, it was meant to get like a bit of face applause for a 'valiant effort', that kinda thing. Instead?
YOU TAPPED OUT! YOU TAPPED OUT! YOU TAPPED OUT!
Now I'm a HHH fan, but that was some funny shit; a crowd just going so counter to what the narrative was trying to go for there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 17:22:00 GMT -5
Any time that'd happen to Triple H it tended to lead to some funny moments. Like him being hauled out on a stretcher at Backlash 2009 while getting the, "Na na na na, na na na na," treatment.
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Post by mizerable on Jul 24, 2014 17:22:18 GMT -5
I think by 2012, most people were tired of Trips' shit. I hated his 7 year face run since he was by far the most protected during this period, despite hobbling around and putting on mediocre matches. The fact that he went and beat Brock (I don't care how much cheating it took) at a time when Brock didn't need to lose.
Hearing him and Vince get shit on during the fans during these periods was absolutely hilarious.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 24, 2014 17:23:41 GMT -5
I think by 2012, most people were tired of Trips' shit. I hated his 7 year face run since he was by far the most protected during this period, despite hobbling around and putting on mediocre matches. The fact that he went and beat Brock (I don't care how much cheating it took) at a time when Brock didn't need to lose. Hearing him and Vince get shit on during the fans during these periods was absolutely hilarious. Brock always needs to lose.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 24, 2014 17:25:08 GMT -5
That's what WWE gets for treating submissions the way they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 18:19:45 GMT -5
The birth of HHH's hatred of the fans.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 24, 2014 19:20:35 GMT -5
I think by 2012, most people were tired of Trips' shit. I hated his 7 year face run since he was by far the most protected during this period, despite hobbling around and putting on mediocre matches. The fact that he went and beat Brock (I don't care how much cheating it took) at a time when Brock didn't need to lose. Hearing him and Vince get shit on during the fans during these periods was absolutely hilarious. Brock always needs to lose. "I'll take 'Has no concept of the wrestling business' for $100, Alex."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 19:25:40 GMT -5
Brock always needs to lose. "I'll take 'Has no concept of the wrestling business' for $100, Alex." I'll never get tired of the Sean Carless/mrjl jobber squashes.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 24, 2014 19:31:17 GMT -5
That whole expectation of fan sympathy and applause has to be one of the biggest headscratchers I've ever seen. HHH hardly looked vulnerable during the build-up, Shawn was on the receiving end of the heel beatdown, and him and Steph acted remarkably smug toward Heyman time and time again. Instead of a sad moment of the valiant babyface being just not being enough against the monster, the arm-break, loss, and sad walk to the back came across as the overconfident jerk getting a dose of reality.
Really, HHH as a solid babyface character was done at this point. Everything after (the unnecessary Brock rematches, concussion angle) felt like filler to give him stuff to do on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 19:43:10 GMT -5
It's all just a continuation of WWE for some reason thinking that Triple H is some beloved star on par with Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan. I used to think they were trying to shove him down our throats, but I've come to believe that they really do think he's one of the best ever.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jul 24, 2014 19:45:17 GMT -5
This just proves that Triple H as a babyface is inherently and disgustedly wrong. (Sometimes)
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jul 24, 2014 19:47:26 GMT -5
Triple H isn't a sympathetic guy. He just isn't. Some guys can pull it off but he can't. I don't know why they tried to portray him in such a way.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 24, 2014 19:50:23 GMT -5
HHH is just so hard to sympathize with, which is why his lil' buddy HBK had to get his ass kicked to try & garner sympy for HHH. The problem is, that because of his history(doing worse than Brock did) & the fact that as a face, he was presented as the coolest, funniest, toughest, most bad-ass asskicker in the WWE & his smugness, even as a face, just makes it hard to feel sorry for his character. Turning heel last year was the right thing to do.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jul 24, 2014 19:52:44 GMT -5
It almost seems like the WWE have Triple H's 2002 return on constant loop and every time someone questions why Trips has to go over, look strong, or overall be the focus... they just point at the video.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 24, 2014 20:11:16 GMT -5
Brock always needs to lose. "I'll take 'Has no concept of the wrestling business' for $100, Alex." whatever Sean. what I do know about WWE's business is it's the land of the superface. Monster heels actually have a tougher time getting wins than regular ones, usually doing most of their damage in non-match situations, which Brock does plenty off
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 20:15:47 GMT -5
HHH is the least sympathetic character in wrestling, and the company that he partly runs makes tapping out seem like a sign of weakness, so I'm not sure what he was expecting.
Let Cena tap out for once, and then end this BS concept of "tapping out = wuss".
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Post by mrjl on Jul 24, 2014 20:20:06 GMT -5
HHH is just so hard to sympathize with, which is why his lil' buddy HBK had to get his ass kicked to try & garner sympy for HHH. The problem is, that because of his history(doing worse than Brock did) & the fact that as a face, he was presented as the coolest, funniest, toughest, most bad-ass asskicker in the WWE & his smugness, even as a face, just makes it hard to feel sorry for his character. Turning heel last year was the right thing to do. Zach Gowan in a wheelchair down a stairwell tops the list of heel actions to me. And to be honest stupid stuff like his Katie Vick angle with Kane actually make Trips seem like a less effective heel to me
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Post by angryfan on Jul 24, 2014 20:20:38 GMT -5
Let's not snipe, no need to get into back and forths, just leaving that out there.
I will say that WWF/E has always done the "monster heel can't win matches" bit, where, as mrjl said, they get their heat in non-match situations, but Brock is NOT a typical monster heel.
Brock is not a typical anything, never has been. He's a crossover star, a legit celebrity, and a guy who they felt so strongly about they fed Taker's streak to him.
Realizing this, losses to Trips and Cena make ZERO sense. If you're going to feed a 21 year run to someone, then you have them murder everyone. Losing to "top guys" especially when he had just re-debuted, made him look like "just another wrestler" or "just another monster who underestimated the WWE superstars" when in reality he was none of those.
He's a guy who came in and killed everyone, was an undisputed champion, then left and said "I'd like to join UFC". He then won their Heavyweight championship, which, let's be honest, is a very big deal for a "fake wrestler" to show up and just wreck shit in UFC.
THAT is who returned, and THAT is a guy who, unless you're going for a "give somebody the rub, get a buyrate bump, and do an HoF induction" you do NOT have him look vulnerable and lose. Just the opposite, you have him win and win decisively, because then the win over Taker makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 24, 2014 20:21:13 GMT -5
HHH is the least sympathetic character in wrestling, and the company that he partly runs makes tapping out seem like a sign of weakness, so I'm not sure what he was expecting. Let Cena tap out for once, and then end this BS concept of "tapping out = wuss". wouldn't work
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Post by mrjl on Jul 24, 2014 20:26:22 GMT -5
Let's not snipe, no need to get into back and forths, just leaving that out there. I will say that WWF/E has always done the "monster heel can't win matches" bit, where, as mrjl said, they get their heat in non-match situations, but Brock is NOT a typical monster heel. Brock is not a typical anything, never has been. He's a crossover star, a legit celebrity, and a guy who they felt so strongly about they fed Taker's streak to him. Realizing this, losses to Trips and Cena make ZERO sense. If you're going to feed a 21 year run to someone, then you have them murder everyone. Losing to "top guys" especially when he had just re-debuted, made him look like "just another wrestler" or "just another monster who underestimated the WWE superstars" when in reality he was none of those. He's a guy who came in and killed everyone, was an undisputed champion, then left and said "I'd like to join UFC". He then won their Heavyweight championship, which, let's be honest, is a very big deal for a "fake wrestler" to show up and just wreck shit in UFC. THAT is who returned, and THAT is a guy who, unless you're going for a "give somebody the rub, get a buyrate bump, and do an HoF induction" you do NOT have him look vulnerable and lose. Just the opposite, you have him win and win decisively, because then the win over Taker makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't. if he beats everyone, then there's no reason to watch either. Multiple wins over Trips, Cena and breaking the streak, do you think there's anyone who could believably beat him? Giving him those wins means no losses EVER make sense. And has there ever been a crossover study of UFC/WWE audiences and anyway,
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