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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 25, 2014 9:32:55 GMT -5
They didn't bother to have Wrestlemania 30 at Madison Square Garden. They upsetted the wrestling gods and went for voodoo and hoodoo over tradition. Who knows maybe that voodoo dance at the beginning of Brays entrance placed a curse on them or maybe that dance was a curse dance and we never knew it. Great Theory
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Post by TGM on Jul 25, 2014 11:37:16 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this for so long. And with every passing RAW, it continues to build and build. I really think that since Wrestlemania 30, the event where we all said "THE WWE IS CHANGING FOR THE BETTER!" ...We have been on a slippery slope, that we can NOT escape from. I'll now look at some of the downturns I have seen since WrestleMania 30...
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND MAY NOT REFLECT YOURS BUT I DO KNOW THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SHARES THESE SENTIMENTS. WITH THIS IN MIND, I BEGIN.
Daniel Bryan won the Title. Surely, a Triumphant reign was in store after all of his hard work, dedication, and more. Instead, we got a very bad feud with Kane, and then he got hurt so badly that we don't know when he will be back. And even if he HADN'T been injured, his feud with Kane would have CONTINUED. So he had to surrender the title, and now... for the 15th time, Cena has it... Now Bryan can't help an injury, but since I'm going by Curse Law here, it matters. I'm sure it's a real thing. As for Cena holding the belt, I'm not really upset about that, I'm more upset that this guys has held the belt 15 times in a 10 year career, remembering distinctly he went a full year without holding it in mind... but Lesnar's probably hopefully going to kill him, so the less of a Cena Title Reign we get, the better...
Intercontinental Title. Coming off a wave of momentum from WrestleMania 30, Bad News would win the Intercontinental Title, and go on to get more and more over wherever he seemed to go... only to get a Shoulder Injury, have to give up the title, and give it to a Miz, who had only been back for two weeks, in a Battle Royal. Miz's character just is not clicking with live crowds. I know the point is he is supposed to be a delusional movie star that we aren't supposed to care about, but with that should come booing, or support for the fact that we do hate this guy, but Miz just gets as much of a reaction as Del Rio gets anymore, meaning nothing...
The US Title... Ambrose lost it in a Battle Royal to Sheamus, who doesn't need it, doesn't do anything with it, and frankly is only holding it so he can say "I GOT A TITLE FELLA! I'M IMPORTANT!" basically keeping it in the same obscurity it has been in for what feels like years now. Coming out of WrestleMania 30 the Champions were Bryan, Ambrose, and later Barrett. Now they are Cena, Sheamus, and Miz... I feel like we've gone back in time in the worst way...
Divas Title. Paige won in a shocker after WrestleMania, after AJ retained. AJ just straight up disappears, and Paige despite coming in hot with the crowd, died out quickly due to meaningless feuds and because of the stagnant character she'd been given. On top of that, the fact she had to fight Alicia Fox like 10 times. She stayed in Transitional Champion Purgatory, until AJ eventually came back and won it in a second. One stupid friendship storyline coupled with Sloppy Match with an obvious turn into a blood feud later, we have HOPEFULLY, what will be Paige's hope to get Management off of her back. I could also go into the fact that Eva Marie, Cameron, and Rosa Mendes also exist in the Divas Division but this is long enough right?
Cesaro... oh god, where do I even START, with Cesaro? He won the Battle Royal at Mania, when he was his most over in terms of a FACE reaction, he dumped Zeb, and joined ANOTHER heel manager coming off maybe the most HEEL thing you could ever do, ending Takers Streak in Paul Heyman. This resulted in Cesaro's reaction dying in confusion, feuds which went nowhere with Van Dam, no longer using the Giant Swing which got him a large chunk of his reaction, and OF COURSE, changing his theme. Cesaro has gone from a main eventer, to a lost in the shuffle midcarder, and it all could have been avoided if someone in the back had the tiniest of common sense. From a man who seemed aimed to face Lesnar, to a Kissass of anyone who will take him as Paul Heyman dropped him offscreen. Did I mention Swagger now has all the reaction Cesaro used to have and Cesaro now has the reactions Swagger used to have? What Twilight Zone IS THIS??
Adam Rose. I love Bo Dallas and I was willing to give Adam Rose a chance, but his shtick has gotten so stale, and so old. There are only so many matches I can take where the same thing is happening, the same promos and "I HATE BUNNIES MAGGLE!" are happening, and so any pointless ad shills during WWE Programming I can take. Adam Rose used to be Leo Kruger. I would have rather seen Leo Kruger. Adam Rose I said from the beginning would go nowhere and it looks like I am being proven right. He is nothing but Midcard at best and he's losing any momentum he had at the beginning. I know I sound like a Lemon, but with so many more talented guys in NXT that have been down there long enough like SAMI ZAYN, Rose just feels like a huge waste of time.
In WrestleMania 30, we had Corporate Kane get his ass kicked by the now defunct Shield (Who believe it or not, none of them are on this list, as I believe all three are some of the brightest spots right now, especially Ambrose) in less than 5 minutes. This then resulted in Kane donning the mask, and main-eventing in a match for thee title, THREE TIMES, in 2014. Look, I know Kanes a part of the storyline, but I know I'm not alone in saying that Kane has really lost his edge. And the fact he is being used over other talent that could be utilized is just baffling to some, again, especially because of how he was portrayed, at WrestleMania 30. The phrase "Ugh, Kane" might as well be more trademarked than THE DEMON KANE at this point.
Bray Wyatt and The Wyatts seem to be stuck in an endless limbo which they can not escape. For Rowan and Harper it is almost winning the tag titles, and despite deserving it NEVER WINNING THE TAG TITLES. Over and over, despite the fact these guys work so well together, the result in the end is always the same, Usos win, Wyatts lose. Bray after concluding his abysmal feud with Cena, has now started a feud with Jericho where he lost to the Codebreaker. Can I say I don't mind Bray losing but I wish he would have lost in a better way, like maybe passing out to the Walls, or something... just not a Codebreaker, which has been a setup move since like 2011, just end Bray right there. Harper and Rowan at least had to have everything thrown at them to lose at Battleground, Bray just seemed to go right down with a Whimper. Bray and Harper are two guys who could be fighting for a world title, but aren't. Rowan's ok, but I don't think the World Title is for him right now. A feud with Sheamus for the US Title? Why not, they seem to be Bizarro Brothers anyway. I just want to see the Wyatts start winning again, it's quite frustrating to see a dominant faction like them keep losing like they do when something Career Altering is at stake. I know some people are down on Wyatt. but I'm not, I love the guy, and as I said before this is my personal list of things I think going wrong so you can feel free to disagree.
Drew McIntyre and Jinder Mahal were released... speaks for itself. 3MB were awesome, they were like an even more Jobbed Out version of Too Cool and everyone was over on them being such a hokey group, inside hoping that at least Slater and McIntyre would eventually break out and get deserved singles runs, especially Drew. But in the end only Slater remains, and seems to not be going anywhere either, while the other two were fired and the world weeped. I can only assume that with Fernando Matador getting hurt they lost their storyline with them, but you could find something else. 3MB, even with Hornswaggle there, is entertaining, and to just see them let go so suddenly when some guys like Great Khali are still lumbering around and Alberto Del Rio who obviously is being paid more to get zero reaction, has zero drive or purpose, and is... Alberto Del Rio, are still there, also just perplexes me. They really emphasize the entertainment factor in the E, and 3MB were it, key word being were... LEAVE THE MEMORIES ALOOOOONE However with Zack Ryder winning on RAW, I feel like things are finally starting to turn around! Right FAN? ...The Curse is lifted? ...Woo Woo Woo?
...I'll go to my corner now... Agree/Disagree? Have qualms of your own? I just feel like ever Since WrestleMania 30, so much that could have happened, didn't, and some things got worse. Now NOT EVERYTHING IS BAD But not everything has been good... so discuss, have fun. Don't kill me for my opinion... ? Somebody tell me if this is funny before I actually read it.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 25, 2014 11:50:53 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with Miz and Sheamus having the belts. I'm interested in the idea of them having a unification match. Two "names" feuding for the titles is exactly what they've needed this whole time. Miz isn't a name anymore, though. He's been getting absolute Del Rio apathy since returning a few weeks ago, and it's no fault of his own. WWE spent a couple of years booking him into oblivion, and now they expect people to care about him again because he has sunglasses.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 25, 2014 13:22:53 GMT -5
The Cesaro thing is the thing that confuses me. Since the Attitude Era ended, they have struggled to produce any new loved babyfaces and yet they've taken two guys getting massive baby face support (Cesaro and Ryback) and ruined them ON PURPOSE!! I mean what the hell could be their justification?
It would be like PepsiCo going "people really seem to love this RockStar Energy drink! We're selling a ton....but what the f*** do those idiots know!? This business isn't about energy drinks. I want you to take the shelf space you were giving to Rockstar and rerelease Crystal Pepsi. A soft drink; the kind of drinks that are SUPPOSED to be popular. Energy drinks just aren't ready."
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 25, 2014 13:30:19 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with Miz and Sheamus having the belts. I'm interested in the idea of them having a unification match. Two "names" feuding for the titles is exactly what they've needed this whole time. Miz isn't a name anymore, though. He's been getting absolute Del Rio apathy since returning a few weeks ago, and it's no fault of his own. WWE spent a couple of years booking him into oblivion, and now they expect people to care about him again because he has sunglasses. Oh I agree that Miz has been buried hard, but I'd still consider him a "name". I feel like if he hadn't gotten that big main event push, he'd be on a much lower level right now. He has more value to the company as a failed main eventer than he would have if he were never pushed to that point. If WWE didn't already invest so much in Miz beforehand, he'd be in the lower card or gone by now.
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Post by Kiaraa on Jul 25, 2014 13:55:59 GMT -5
They didn't bother to have Wrestlemania 30 at Madison Square Garden. They upsetted the wrestling gods and went for voodoo and hoodoo over tradition. Who knows maybe that voodoo dance at the beginning of Brays entrance placed a curse on them or maybe that dance was a curse dance and we never knew it. Great Theory
By the way, I love your Profile Name, and the picture you have with it just makes something in my life complete...
Im a Hindu by religion & I find this offensive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 14:00:16 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with Miz and Sheamus having the belts. I'm interested in the idea of them having a unification match. Two "names" feuding for the titles is exactly what they've needed this whole time. With this much of a stacked roster, I think two mid card titles are needed, but they have to make one mean more. Right now, they can't seem to decide.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 25, 2014 14:05:04 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with Miz and Sheamus having the belts. I'm interested in the idea of them having a unification match. Two "names" feuding for the titles is exactly what they've needed this whole time. With this much of a stacked roster, I think two mid card titles are needed, but they have to make one mean more. Right now, they can't seem to decide. I agree that two midcard titles are needed and that one needs to be on a higher level than the other. One for the upper midcard/former main eventers and one for the lower card. But I think that instead of using one of the existing titles to fill that lower tier title role, they need to start over with a title that those guys can realistically win.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 25, 2014 20:12:38 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this for so long. And with every passing RAW, it continues to build and build. I really think that since Wrestlemania 30, the event where we all said "THE WWE IS CHANGING FOR THE BETTER!" ...We have been on a slippery slope, that we can NOT escape from. I'll now look at some of the downturns I have seen since WrestleMania 30...
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND MAY NOT REFLECT YOURS BUT I DO KNOW THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SHARES THESE SENTIMENTS. WITH THIS IN MIND, I BEGIN.
Daniel Bryan won the Title. Surely, a Triumphant reign was in store after all of his hard work, dedication, and more. Instead, we got a very bad feud with Kane, and then he got hurt so badly that we don't know when he will be back. And even if he HADN'T been injured, his feud with Kane would have CONTINUED. So he had to surrender the title, and now... for the 15th time, Cena has it... Now Bryan can't help an injury, but since I'm going by Curse Law here, it matters. I'm sure it's a real thing. As for Cena holding the belt, I'm not really upset about that, I'm more upset that this guys has held the belt 15 times in a 10 year career, remembering distinctly he went a full year without holding it in mind... but Lesnar's probably hopefully going to kill him, so the less of a Cena Title Reign we get, the better...
Intercontinental Title. Coming off a wave of momentum from WrestleMania 30, Bad News would win the Intercontinental Title, and go on to get more and more over wherever he seemed to go... only to get a Shoulder Injury, have to give up the title, and give it to a Miz, who had only been back for two weeks, in a Battle Royal. Miz's character just is not clicking with live crowds. I know the point is he is supposed to be a delusional movie star that we aren't supposed to care about, but with that should come booing, or support for the fact that we do hate this guy, but Miz just gets as much of a reaction as Del Rio gets anymore, meaning nothing...
The US Title... Ambrose lost it in a Battle Royal to Sheamus, who doesn't need it, doesn't do anything with it, and frankly is only holding it so he can say "I GOT A TITLE FELLA! I'M IMPORTANT!" basically keeping it in the same obscurity it has been in for what feels like years now. Coming out of WrestleMania 30 the Champions were Bryan, Ambrose, and later Barrett. Now they are Cena, Sheamus, and Miz... I feel like we've gone back in time in the worst way...
Divas Title. Paige won in a shocker after WrestleMania, after AJ retained. AJ just straight up disappears, and Paige despite coming in hot with the crowd, died out quickly due to meaningless feuds and because of the stagnant character she'd been given. On top of that, the fact she had to fight Alicia Fox like 10 times. She stayed in Transitional Champion Purgatory, until AJ eventually came back and won it in a second. One stupid friendship storyline coupled with Sloppy Match with an obvious turn into a blood feud later, we have HOPEFULLY, what will be Paige's hope to get Management off of her back. I could also go into the fact that Eva Marie, Cameron, and Rosa Mendes also exist in the Divas Division but this is long enough right?
Cesaro... oh god, where do I even START, with Cesaro? He won the Battle Royal at Mania, when he was his most over in terms of a FACE reaction, he dumped Zeb, and joined ANOTHER heel manager coming off maybe the most HEEL thing you could ever do, ending Takers Streak in Paul Heyman. This resulted in Cesaro's reaction dying in confusion, feuds which went nowhere with Van Dam, no longer using the Giant Swing which got him a large chunk of his reaction, and OF COURSE, changing his theme. Cesaro has gone from a main eventer, to a lost in the shuffle midcarder, and it all could have been avoided if someone in the back had the tiniest of common sense. From a man who seemed aimed to face Lesnar, to a Kissass of anyone who will take him as Paul Heyman dropped him offscreen. Did I mention Swagger now has all the reaction Cesaro used to have and Cesaro now has the reactions Swagger used to have? What Twilight Zone IS THIS??
Adam Rose. I love Bo Dallas and I was willing to give Adam Rose a chance, but his shtick has gotten so stale, and so old. There are only so many matches I can take where the same thing is happening, the same promos and "I HATE BUNNIES MAGGLE!" are happening, and so any pointless ad shills during WWE Programming I can take. Adam Rose used to be Leo Kruger. I would have rather seen Leo Kruger. Adam Rose I said from the beginning would go nowhere and it looks like I am being proven right. He is nothing but Midcard at best and he's losing any momentum he had at the beginning. I know I sound like a Lemon, but with so many more talented guys in NXT that have been down there long enough like SAMI ZAYN, Rose just feels like a huge waste of time.
In WrestleMania 30, we had Corporate Kane get his ass kicked by the now defunct Shield (Who believe it or not, none of them are on this list, as I believe all three are some of the brightest spots right now, especially Ambrose) in less than 5 minutes. This then resulted in Kane donning the mask, and main-eventing in a match for thee title, THREE TIMES, in 2014. Look, I know Kanes a part of the storyline, but I know I'm not alone in saying that Kane has really lost his edge. And the fact he is being used over other talent that could be utilized is just baffling to some, again, especially because of how he was portrayed, at WrestleMania 30. The phrase "Ugh, Kane" might as well be more trademarked than THE DEMON KANE at this point.
Bray Wyatt and The Wyatts seem to be stuck in an endless limbo which they can not escape. For Rowan and Harper it is almost winning the tag titles, and despite deserving it NEVER WINNING THE TAG TITLES. Over and over, despite the fact these guys work so well together, the result in the end is always the same, Usos win, Wyatts lose. Bray after concluding his abysmal feud with Cena, has now started a feud with Jericho where he lost to the Codebreaker. Can I say I don't mind Bray losing but I wish he would have lost in a better way, like maybe passing out to the Walls, or something... just not a Codebreaker, which has been a setup move since like 2011, just end Bray right there. Harper and Rowan at least had to have everything thrown at them to lose at Battleground, Bray just seemed to go right down with a Whimper. Bray and Harper are two guys who could be fighting for a world title, but aren't. Rowan's ok, but I don't think the World Title is for him right now. A feud with Sheamus for the US Title? Why not, they seem to be Bizarro Brothers anyway. I just want to see the Wyatts start winning again, it's quite frustrating to see a dominant faction like them keep losing like they do when something Career Altering is at stake. I know some people are down on Wyatt. but I'm not, I love the guy, and as I said before this is my personal list of things I think going wrong so you can feel free to disagree.
Drew McIntyre and Jinder Mahal were released... speaks for itself. 3MB were awesome, they were like an even more Jobbed Out version of Too Cool and everyone was over on them being such a hokey group, inside hoping that at least Slater and McIntyre would eventually break out and get deserved singles runs, especially Drew. But in the end only Slater remains, and seems to not be going anywhere either, while the other two were fired and the world weeped. I can only assume that with Fernando Matador getting hurt they lost their storyline with them, but you could find something else. 3MB, even with Hornswaggle there, is entertaining, and to just see them let go so suddenly when some guys like Great Khali are still lumbering around and Alberto Del Rio who obviously is being paid more to get zero reaction, has zero drive or purpose, and is... Alberto Del Rio, are still there, also just perplexes me. They really emphasize the entertainment factor in the E, and 3MB were it, key word being were... LEAVE THE MEMORIES ALOOOOONE However with Zack Ryder winning on RAW, I feel like things are finally starting to turn around! Right FAN? ...The Curse is lifted? ...Woo Woo Woo?
...I'll go to my corner now... Agree/Disagree? Have qualms of your own? I just feel like ever Since WrestleMania 30, so much that could have happened, didn't, and some things got worse. Now NOT EVERYTHING IS BAD But not everything has been good... so discuss, have fun. Don't kill me for my opinion... ? Somebody tell me if this is funny before I actually read it. I put some jokes in there. I know it's long, but I hope you enjoy the read
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 25, 2014 20:19:14 GMT -5
Half the things that you mentioned weren't even on or had nothing to do with WrestleMania 30
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 25, 2014 20:33:48 GMT -5
Half the things that you mentioned weren't even on or had nothing to do with WrestleMania 30 It's everything that's happened SINCE WrestleMania 30. Not everything happened at the show but since WM 30 seemed like the peak of the year so far, just listed the things where I thought WWE has done downhill since.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jul 27, 2014 19:34:52 GMT -5
If there is a curse, then who can break it?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 19:39:15 GMT -5
If there is a curse, then who can break it? Papa Shango
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Post by RI Richmark on Jul 27, 2014 19:55:56 GMT -5
If there is a curse, then who can break it? Papa Shango Curt Schilling
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 27, 2014 20:02:03 GMT -5
Apart from the shield everyone's deep in shits creek.
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Jul 28, 2014 13:22:02 GMT -5
I do agree with many points in the opening post, but there is a bit more of a bigger picture at play... if Daniel Bryan was hurting before WM I highly doubt he told people.. why ruin the greatest push of your career.. if he had, do you think WWE would have made him the focal point of their biggest show of the year? no... it sucks that he's gone. DB was always the best part of many an episode of raw for the past 3 or 4 years...
The Barrett thing was a freak thing.. he got injured take a (somewhat) routine bump. Sure that bump in particular could have been avoided, but it wasn't much more dangerous than any other bump.
The Miz push isn't that far fetched. I was once a huge Miz fan, and we all agree that he peaked at his WM main event match with Cena, but the WWE trying to run with Miz again isn't surprising. The Miz is a fantastic employee of the WWE. The only person in the WWE that is more of a promotional machine than Miz is Cena.
The Cesaro thing is a bit puzzling. It seamed clear that he was well on his way to at least a nice tweener type roll. Always being associated with heels and wrestling faces, all the while getting face reactions from fans. To me, to put him in his current position would have made more sense for Heyman to basically "trade" Cesaro to the Authority for a title match for Brock. This would have gotten him away from Heyman for a short time and let Brock have all of Heyman's spotlight.
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