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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 26, 2014 9:30:12 GMT -5
This will just make his series of shoot videos that much better for it.
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Post by Bert Hart on Jul 26, 2014 9:44:25 GMT -5
Zack Ryder did himself no favours with that utterly dreadful promo shortly after he won the US title. You can pinpoint the exact moment when he shut himself out of ever being a relevant wrestler in the WWE. And yet Roman "Babygurl, I'mma get that Dubya Dubya World Championship" Reigns' horrible promos are acceptable for a main eventer? C'mon, man. It wasn't a lackluster promo that torpedoed Ryder.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jul 26, 2014 9:58:03 GMT -5
Zack Ryder did himself no favours with that utterly dreadful promo shortly after he won the US title. You can pinpoint the exact moment when he shut himself out of ever being a relevant wrestler in the WWE. And yet Roman "Babygurl, I'mma get that Dubya Dubya World Championship" Reigns' horrible promos are acceptable for a main eventer? C'mon, man. It wasn't a lackluster promo that torpedoed Ryder. I guess if it's repeated enough, it must be true. That promo was garbage, but it wasn't the reason he got squashed. I believe it was that the WWE wanted to put out the "We Want Ryder" chants that were taking over the show. They tried to keep him off TV in his hometown and that didn't work, so they made him look like a chump so the crowd would see the writing on the wall and stop hijacking the show because the WWE wasn't going to allow the paying crowd to dictate and get what they want.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 26, 2014 10:15:33 GMT -5
And yet Roman "Babygurl, I'mma get that Dubya Dubya World Championship" Reigns' horrible promos are acceptable for a main eventer? C'mon, man. It wasn't a lackluster promo that torpedoed Ryder. It certainly didn't help things though. Granted, WWE obviously had no interest in pushing Ryder and only gave him a token run because he's bizarrely over with the crowd. Now I criticise WWE a lot for the people they push and the people they job out, but regardless of how over he was with the fans, I agree with them not giving Ryder a huge push. He sucks. I respect him for the effort he's put in in trying to get over and hell, some wrestlers should take a leaf out of his book, but he just came across as too annoying, too desperate and just not good enough for me. Bland and boring in the ring, tired annoying catchphrase, bad promo skills. He also doesn't help things by coming across as a total tool sometimes like when he wore those stupid "push me" trunks. Maybe he should be at the Kofi Kingston jobber level where he occasionally gets a push and a title run rather than being a flat-out jobber but there's just nothing special about the guy. I can see why the WWE didn't listen to the fans.
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 26, 2014 12:44:13 GMT -5
I respect him for the effort he's put in in trying to get over and hell, some wrestlers should take a leaf out of his book, but he just came across as too annoying, too desperate and just not good enough for me. Bland and boring in the ring, tired annoying catchphrase, bad promo skills. He also doesn't help things by coming across as a total tool sometimes like when he wore those stupid "push me" trunks. That's actually what I dislike most about Ryder. The perception he created that unless you fund your own Youtube show, a show he clearly got sick of once his goal was accomplished, and appeal to the crowd's natural instinct to rally behind an underdog, then you're not trying hard enough. There are guys more talented with 'sadder stories' that ultimately could have reached greater highs... I get that Zack is a more visceral example of WWE's ineptitude since he was literally kicked in the balls on a grand stage, but he's hardly the biggest misstep the company has made with its talent.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jul 26, 2014 15:19:17 GMT -5
There has to be more behind his fall. All I know is once he got the US title, we kinda saw his true colors. Yeah, he was hungry for a shot, but his actions afterwards kinda came off like he was using his fans for that spot and once he got there, he didn't want to deal with them (or the show that got him there) anymore. More and more reports of him acting disinterested at signings started coming up.
I don't think his bad promo was the reason...I think his attitude once he got the fame he wanted was. I could be wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 15:36:00 GMT -5
I don't consider pure WWE marks on here real members of the IWC.
There are a lot of member on here who don't like guys because the WWE told them not to like them, or vica versa.
There is a difference between not liking Ryder, and admitting he was over, to just saying "he sucked". In reality, he was a really good worker on WWECW, and was REALLY over at one point.
The people who say Ryder sucks, are generally fans who think Kane is still usable, Sheamus is over as a face, and usually eat what ever the WWE feeds them.
The forum has become main stream enough, that actual PURE WWE fans have made their way here.
Once again, I am not saying if you hated Ryder, you're not a smark, but denying that he was over, makes you nothing more than a WWE fanboy though.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jul 26, 2014 15:38:24 GMT -5
I don't consider pure WWE marks on here real members of the IWC. There are a lot of member on here who don't like guys because the WWE told them not to like them, or vica versa. There is a difference between not liking Ryder, and admitting he was over, to just saying "he sucked". In reality, he was a really good worker on WWECW, and was REALLY over at one point. The people who say Ryder sucks, are generally fans who think Kane is still usable, Sheamus is over as a face, and usually eat what ever the WWE feeds them. The forum has become main stream enough, that actual PURE WWE fans have made their way here. Once again, I am not saying if you hated Ryder, you're not a smark, but denying that he was over, makes you nothing more than a WWE fanboy though. Name me one person who has posted in this thread who thinks that. I haven't seen one person here who didn't say he was over. If you're going to bait, at least try to put some thought into it instead of pulling it out of your ass.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 26, 2014 15:39:57 GMT -5
Someone like Alberto shouldn't have a better position in the company. BS. ADR is a better wrestler and talker then Ryder.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 26, 2014 15:47:04 GMT -5
I heard The Rock was pissed when his promo was interrupted by Ryder fans and demanded that Ryder be punished for it. One source noted hearing him say "We want Ryder huh? Well you're gonna gag on him". The Rock is known for having creative control that rivals Triple H's and is a known locker room leader, so the timeline fits perfectly when you think about Ryder's "ironic" overpush and subsequent burial... I don't believe that, I don't think there's ever been a story of Rocky holding anyone down, he knows what it's like to be buried (by Shawn Michaels before finding religion), besides one of the guys that helped him out to get back in ring shape was Curt Hawkins, Ryder's friend, on twitter he credited Hawkins for helping him out, he wouldn't bury his BFF.
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Post by PKO on Jul 26, 2014 15:55:50 GMT -5
Someone like Alberto shouldn't have a better position in the company. BS. ADR is a better wrestler and talker then Ryder. Agreed. But fans still don't care after years of pushes and, while I don't know the figures of his merchandise sales, I doubt Alberto's makes a dint in Ryders. If I'm a booker I'm gonna use the guy who fans loved and bought the stuff of who I've hardly pushed, than the guy they still don't care about after years of titles and big matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 15:57:02 GMT -5
And yet Roman "Babygurl, I'mma get that Dubya Dubya World Championship" Reigns' horrible promos are acceptable for a main eventer? C'mon, man. It wasn't a lackluster promo that torpedoed Ryder. I guess if it's repeated enough, it must be true. That promo was garbage, but it wasn't the reason he got squashed. I believe it was that the WWE wanted to put out the "We Want Ryder" chants that were taking over the show. They tried to keep him off TV in his hometown and that didn't work, so they made him look like a chump so the crowd would see the writing on the wall and stop hijacking the show because the WWE wasn't going to allow the paying crowd to dictate and get what they want. Which I find amusing... You can't tell me that didn't play a part into why people were so vehemently behind D. Bryan Danielson and were damn near going to shit on WM 30 if they didn't get what they wanted. But that's just me, I've always figured the D. Bryan Danielson "problem" was a problem WWE themselves created over many years of their booking bullshit.
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Post by Bert Hart on Jul 26, 2014 16:05:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sparkybob on Jul 26, 2014 16:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 26, 2014 16:14:38 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't help that he sucks. He got over. That's what matters. WWE petulance buried him.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 26, 2014 16:16:30 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't help that he sucks. They've pushed plenty of people who suck before.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jul 26, 2014 16:49:04 GMT -5
There has to be more behind his fall. All I know is once he got the US title, we kinda saw his true colors. Yeah, he was hungry for a shot, but his actions afterwards kinda came off like he was using his fans for that spot and once he got there, he didn't want to deal with them (or the show that got him there) anymore. More and more reports of him acting disinterested at signings started coming up. I don't think his bad promo was the reason...I think his attitude once he got the fame he wanted was. I could be wrong though. This may be the real reason. I remember hearing a story about how fans were having a better time talking to Dolph Ziggler (who was a heel) than Zack Ryder who would just sign their stuff and speed through it. Considering how he was treating his fans after he got a push, it made it seem like he wasn't a good enough guy to deserve it.
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Post by eJm on Jul 26, 2014 16:57:36 GMT -5
I still don't understand how that promo he did on the post PPV Raw was bad.
It was one line of dialogue that capitalised on a moment at the PPV, his dad marking out for his win and included a catchphrase.
It was actually the most protected thing they did with Ryder during that entire time. The next week was when stuff got stupid.
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 26, 2014 17:07:27 GMT -5
There has to be more behind his fall. All I know is once he got the US title, we kinda saw his true colors. Yeah, he was hungry for a shot, but his actions afterwards kinda came off like he was using his fans for that spot and once he got there, he didn't want to deal with them (or the show that got him there) anymore. More and more reports of him acting disinterested at signings started coming up. I don't think his bad promo was the reason...I think his attitude once he got the fame he wanted was. I could be wrong though. This may be the real reason. I remember hearing a story about how fans were having a better time talking to Dolph Ziggler (who was a heel) than Zack Ryder who would just sign their stuff and speed through it. Considering how he was treating his fans after he got a push, it made it seem like he wasn't a good enough guy to deserve it. I distinctly remember how badly he handled the Twitter contest that he set up. It's why I kind of shake my head now whenever he tries again to use the fans to gain relevance.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 26, 2014 17:08:34 GMT -5
I still don't understand how that promo he did on the post PPV Raw was bad. It was one line of dialogue that capitalised on a moment at the PPV, his dad marking out for his win and included a catchphrase. It was actually the most protected thing they did with Ryder during that entire time. The next week was when stuff got stupid. On it's own It wasn't bad at all. But I don't think they protected him. To me it felt like they put Zack out there so he could look bad by getting outclassed by Punk and Bryan. Like the two of them are such amazing performers that Zack just looks awful in comparison. They should've given him a separate segment or a backstage interview.
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