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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 27, 2014 12:32:16 GMT -5
The Zack Ryder story is an odd one to say the least. He got over with the internet crowd, fans chanted his name, and he won a US Championship. The thing is though, he sucks. And, one he his ceiling as a midcard champion (he was never going to be main eventer) the only place to go was down. Could he be in a Sntino role, I wouldn't mind it. But, I think Zack Ryder would. That's the problem, he stinks and he attitude doesn't help. He could go down to developmental and worl on his in-ring work and promo work. But, nope. He'll continue to whine about his spot and complain that he's not pushed. Considering this is the same guy who took bare-ass stinkface jelly donuts to the face to get out of training for a day, I get the feeling his YouTube show was about as far as he was willing to go in terms of development. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 27, 2014 13:07:58 GMT -5
The Zack Ryder story is an odd one to say the least. He got over with the internet crowd, fans chanted his name, and he won a US Championship. The thing is though, he sucks. And, one he his ceiling as a midcard champion (he was never going to be main eventer) the only place to go was down. Could he be in a Sntino role, I wouldn't mind it. But, I think Zack Ryder would. That's the problem, he stinks and he attitude doesn't help. He could go down to developmental and worl on his in-ring work and promo work. But, nope. He'll continue to whine about his spot and complain that he's not pushed. Considering this is the same guy who took bare-ass stinkface jelly donuts to the face to get out of training for a day, I get the feeling his YouTube show was about as far as he was willing to go in terms of development. To be fair, Zack didn't do that for just himself, but for his entire class. And the jelly donut stinkface was a good thing in a way. It showed that Zack was willing to embarrass himself. Ideally it should've proved to the brass that Zack would be a team player and put up with whatever lame booking was given to him. It would've shown that he'd be a great comedy act, but WWE wouldn't even let him be THAT. He just went from generic guy in brightly colored trunks who wore shades and headbands to a generic guy in brightly colored trunks who doesn't wear shades and headbands. |
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jul 27, 2014 13:16:55 GMT -5
Ryder's tale is one that shows what happens when you get to be too popular for your own good. You get John Cena attached to you like an anchor. You and your career sinks into oblivion.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 27, 2014 13:50:22 GMT -5
Considering this is the same guy who took bare-ass stinkface jelly donuts to the face to get out of training for a day, I get the feeling his YouTube show was about as far as he was willing to go in terms of development. To be fair, Zack didn't do that for just himself, but for his entire class. And the jelly donut stinkface was a good thing in a way. It showed that Zack was willing to embarrass himself. Ideally it should've proved to the brass that Zack would be a team player and put up with whatever lame booking was given to him. It would've shown that he'd be a great comedy act, but WWE wouldn't even let him be THAT. He just went from generic guy in brightly colored trunks who wore shades and headbands to a generic guy in brightly colored trunks who doesn't wear shades and headbands. I'm sorry, but if you go to a developmental territory to develop, you do not deserve kudos for "taking one for the team" if the end goal is the team slacking off of their duties. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 27, 2014 13:58:40 GMT -5
And the jelly donut stinkface was a good thing in a way. Pro wrestling, ladies and gents. You have to love it. You just don't get to say things like this anywhere else. Well, except maybe porn. |
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 27, 2014 14:00:49 GMT -5
Then at WM they just flat out buried him in order to get EVE over as a heel. And then a little over a year later she was gone from the company. Totally worth it in the end. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 27, 2014 14:28:39 GMT -5
I heard The Rock was pissed when his promo was interrupted by Ryder fans and demanded that Ryder be punished for it. One source noted hearing him say "We want Ryder huh? Well you're gonna gag on him". The Rock is known for having creative control that rivals Triple H's and is a known locker room leader, so the timeline fits perfectly when you think about Ryder's "ironic" overpush and subsequent burial... This post is a joke, right? |
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 27, 2014 15:01:53 GMT -5
And the jelly donut stinkface was a good thing in a way. It showed that Zack was willing to embarrass himself. Ideally it should've proved to the brass that Zack would be a team player and put up with whatever lame booking was given to him. Lame, embarrassing booking while playing a character, in the limits of a storyline, is one thing. Being very publicly demeaned by your superiors is another. No one should have to go through that to 'prove' anything. It just serves to reinforce the worse kind of beliefs about how the wrestling business operates. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 15:08:27 GMT -5
Given Vince's alpha male deal, he'd probably look down on the donut thing as someone not standing up for themselves
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Post by saintpat on Jul 27, 2014 15:33:09 GMT -5
Mick Foley is a tad upset that WWE won't pay him to ... pretty much do whatever he wants to do. Read the last paragraph or two of that rant and you'll see it's all about Mick, woe is Mick, poor Mick, and that all he's doing is using Ryder's "sad tale" -- which he knows will resonate with the IWC -- to get himself over.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 15:48:59 GMT -5
Foley is right.
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Post by The Tee Why on Jul 27, 2014 15:51:49 GMT -5
And the jelly donut stinkface was a good thing in a way. Pro wrestling, ladies and gents. You have to love it. You just don't get to say things like this anywhere else. Well, except maybe porn. Yeah, this is ridiculous, pro wrestling is such a dumbass 'boys club' worse than highschoolers. |
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Post by gnr123 on Jul 27, 2014 16:09:36 GMT -5
Mick Foley is a tad upset that WWE won't pay him to ... pretty much do whatever he wants to do. Read the last paragraph or two of that rant and you'll see it's all about Mick, woe is Mick, poor Mick, and that all he's doing is using Ryder's "sad tale" -- which he knows will resonate with the IWC -- to get himself over. Doesn't surprise me really, Mick has been doing these bullshit spiels for awhile now, starting with the Royal Rumble outcome. What seems like Mick trying to be sympatric and trying to "stick up for the little man" is actually just him trying to stay relevant. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 16:10:47 GMT -5
Mick Foley could show up on RAW tomorrow and be over like crazy. Not sure how one reads his Ryder comments and deduces that he's doing it to benefit himself.
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Post by gnr123 on Jul 27, 2014 16:44:41 GMT -5
Mick Foley could show up on RAW tomorrow and be over like crazy. Not sure how one reads his Ryder comments and deduces that he's doing it to benefit himself. Mick is using every IWC gripe to get people on his side for whatever reasons. He said that Cena should turn heel, he's showing support for Zack Ryder, and his defense of Daniel Bryan was just him trying to remain relevant. Hell, he had an entire blog talking about why he didn't resign with WWE, just so people can feel sorry for him. One of the greatest misinterpretations is that Mick Foley is a nice guy. Same goes for Jim Ross. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 17:06:37 GMT -5
Or perhaps he merely shares the opinions of people who think that WWE's booking is terrible.
Whatever else he says, in this case, I just don't see how people can read the Ryder post and presume it's all about Foley.
As for getting people on his side, as I said, Foley could show up on RAW and be more over than 95% of the current roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:14:58 GMT -5
Then at WM they just flat out buried him in order to get EVE over as a heel. And then a little over a year later she was gone from the company. Totally worth it in the end. To me, that's the single most irksome aspect of the Ryder disaster. It's not like they fed him to someone and built an actual star out of it. They got Eve to get light boos instead of no boos, and then she was like "Whatever, I'm out."  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:18:57 GMT -5
Mick Foley could show up on RAW tomorrow and be over like crazy. Not sure how one reads his Ryder comments and deduces that he's doing it to benefit himself. Mick is using every IWC gripe to get people on his side for whatever reasons. He said that Cena should turn heel, he's showing support for Zack Ryder, and his defense of Daniel Bryan was just him trying to remain relevant. Hell, he had an entire blog talking about why he didn't resign with WWE, just so people can feel sorry for him. One of the greatest misinterpretations is that Mick Foley is a nice guy. Same goes for Jim Ross. That's an interpretation, but he's a wrestling fan who also has a fanbase, and he DOES like attention. Every pro-wrestler does, so for him to ramble about topics he's a fan of, with some knowledge of beyond all of us on the forum (who sometimes share the same opinions, sometimes don't at all) is fine. Not everything is a black and white one way or another, he can get attention from the wrestling fans all whilst putting his own opinions across to that audience. Win/win. Plus, it comes down to the aspect of all discussions, the moment you start to snipe at the author and not focus on the content is the moment you're either projecting before reading, or haven't taken the time to separate the author from the points at hand. |
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Post by saintpat on Jul 27, 2014 19:00:50 GMT -5
Mick Foley could show up on RAW tomorrow and be over like crazy. Not sure how one reads his Ryder comments and deduces that he's doing it to benefit himself. That would probably be true IF Mick Foley were to show up on Raw ... but that ship seems to have sailed, at least for now. Read his words: "Really look at it. Look at me, still important enough in the company's eyes to be part of an in-ring celecration." The company "eyes" him differently now. If he's trying to get Ryder over, why does he want us to look at him and why does he remind us that he was relevant at that time? So he's trying to get himself over, using Ryder as a prop, to get people on internet message boards or those who read his blog to say, "Yeah, Foley would still get great reactions if they used him. Why ISN'T he getting that chance?" LOL too at the part of how much "fun" Punk seems to be having. I see two guys -- Foley and Ryder -- hamming it up and having a great time, and a third -- Punk -- looking like he'd rather be anywhere else. Eye of the beholder and all that. Should be titled, "The Sad State of Mick Foley." |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 19:04:01 GMT -5
Mick Foley could show up on RAW tomorrow and be over like crazy. Not sure how one reads his Ryder comments and deduces that he's doing it to benefit himself. That would probably be true IF Mick Foley were to show up on Raw ... but that ship seems to have sailed, at least for now. Read his words: "Really look at it. Look at me, still important enough in the company's eyes to be part of an in-ring celecration." The company "eyes" him differently now. If he's trying to get Ryder over, why does he want us to look at him and why does he remind us that he was relevant at that time? So he's trying to get himself over, using Ryder as a prop, to get people on internet message boards or those who read his blog to say, "Yeah, Foley would still get great reactions if they used him. Why ISN'T he getting that chance?" LOL too at the part of how much "fun" Punk seems to be having. I see two guys -- Foley and Ryder -- hamming it up and having a great time, and a third -- Punk -- looking like he'd rather be anywhere else. Eye of the beholder and all that. He frames the "look at me" comment in the context of being a popular Long Island wrestler being part of a celebration putting over another. As for Punk, he looks fine. It's called deadpan. There's a difference between reading between the lines, and simply seeing things that aren't there. |
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