mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Jul 26, 2014 22:19:28 GMT -5
who did you really want Trips to put over?
Me, I had a bit of trouble there. I didn't like the heel stable beating up people and I got very sick of sledgehammer shots followed by Pedigrees
But I never liked RVD since I saw him in ECW, thought Kane was unbelievable as a World Champ the way he had been booked for the last couple years. Jeff Hardy and Bubba not world title material.
Ultimately RVD got a title and ended up unreliable. I have no problem believing people backstage would sense that. Kane has champ has always left people going back and forth on whether he's good enough for the role.
I feel like he did put Benoit over since he never got his win back.
About the only guy I wasn't happy with Trips feud with was Booker T.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 26, 2014 22:21:41 GMT -5
- Booker - Mania - Goldberg - Summerslam
Good god RAW was the shits in 2003
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Post by thegame415 on Jul 26, 2014 23:56:39 GMT -5
Looking back, I think I would've done something like.
-Booker wins the title at WM. He wins a rematch by DQ at Backlash, then drops the title in a tag match at Judgment Day. It could be the same participants as the tag match at Backlash (HHH wins by pinning Nash.) At Bad Blood, it's Booker challenging Triple H in his home town of Houston in the HiaC. Orton costs Booker the match, having hid under the ring, and gives him an RKO. This starts a Booker/Orton feud, which could've been great to help get Orton over.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jul 27, 2014 0:00:52 GMT -5
Kane if you are counting the time when Kane was rumored to be on his way to hold all the male titles on raw. That would have been dope.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 27, 2014 0:02:16 GMT -5
Booker T at WrestleMania.
Also, I wanted him to make Randy Orton. Orton's 2004 face run was honestly my favorite point of his career.
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Post by Adam Black on Jul 27, 2014 0:57:07 GMT -5
The reign of terror could have been awesome if the matches Triple H had were classics or atleast decent.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jul 27, 2014 1:46:33 GMT -5
Still giving RVD guff for a bit of bad luck? The man is clearly a zen master who can handle smoking weed while driving at night. Plus, he had Sabu in the car, he could hop out the window and kick a chair into any cars that might cause a collision. I do hop they had a chair in the backseat.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Jul 27, 2014 17:09:29 GMT -5
I honestly liked the Game and didn't care for his contenders. 2003 Raw was when I realized wrestling wasn't cool any more.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Jul 27, 2014 17:31:28 GMT -5
The reign of terror could have been awesome if the matches Triple H had were classics or atleast decent. Considering he had FOUR matches combined between Kevin Nash and Scott Steiner, that ratio went down considerably. One MAJOR flaw I found was the Backlash non-title tag match. Wrestling logic #457 dictates the team opposite the champion automatically wins because it builds 1 or more men on the team to a title shot down the road. While it was a 'cheap heat' win, I think a superkick into a jackknife, into a Houston Hangover would have been appropriate given the contenders.
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Jul 27, 2014 18:15:28 GMT -5
Fricken Goldberg. Damn that elimination chamber match pissed me off so damn much.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 27, 2014 19:00:31 GMT -5
Take oasis, Marat's bathing...
(A 100,000 internets to the first to guess the song and the reference)
Oh and I dunno. Booker T and RVD I guess.
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Post by RedDevil on Jul 27, 2014 19:05:48 GMT -5
When Bischoff just handed H the WHC at the beginning of Raw (IIRC), then I suspected RVD would win it the same night at the end of the show - my thinking was that:
i. just handing someone a title is lame, much less the World Title!; ii. Triple H was the dominate heel and really didn't need to be champion at that stage (though I accept that he'd need to be in the title picture); iii. having Triple H lose the title so quickly after being given it would've been great for the fans and embarrassing for the character, giving him particular motivation to chase RVD; iv. it would've been a huge boost to a very-over RVD (though he'd ultimately prove unreliable when he finally did get the belt); v. it would've been an unpredictable moment at a time when the rot had set in.
This was around the time I stopped watching every single week.
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Post by dreamer75 on Jul 27, 2014 20:32:04 GMT -5
I honestly liked the Game and didn't care for his contenders. 2003 Raw was when I realized wrestling wasn't cool any more. You just summed up the moment attitude era ended and the wtf era of the 00's
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 20:33:40 GMT -5
Booker T at Wrestlemania.
No excuse.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 27, 2014 20:37:48 GMT -5
No one until Batista. I like Triple H and his rule over Raw. That not to say I didn't like seeing HBK and Benoit get their runs but Triple H getting it back just felt right and it wasn't until Batista that I didn't want to see Hunter get it back.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jul 27, 2014 20:42:01 GMT -5
Booker RVD Jericho Kane Goldberg
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Post by ICBM on Jul 27, 2014 20:45:54 GMT -5
Booker T at mania
HBK on Raw in winter 04 from San Antonio. They sold the entire show on Michaels likely winning. We got screwed. I know HBK had been champ before and didn't need the title but damn did 15,000 in attendance and 3 1/2 million people at home want that that night. The heat was palpable. I mean people left that arena and filled the bars. I went to the Labratory(a microbrew in the Quarry Market in SA) after the show and it was filled with pissed off fans
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Post by BigBadZ on Jul 27, 2014 20:52:44 GMT -5
At the time, anyone. The reign of terror drove me away for many years. Booker T was the worst infraction of the whole tub of shit though.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 27, 2014 22:22:58 GMT -5
This one is easy: RVD. HHH actually did job to Goldberg but given the nature of his 1 year deal there's no way that was going to be long term so why bother? Let's face it though. WWE from 2002-05 was a company in desperate need of a top babyface and RVD was the best qualified choice for that role. Some might say Eddie Guerrero as well but he ultimately was even more unreliable than Van Dam.
People forget how massively over Van Dam was in 2001-02. All it would have taken is someone to really put him over for a world title, but they never pulled the trigger on it. He really should have been the top babyface from the post Invasion era up until about 2005 when guys like Cena and Batista ascended to the main event (and RVD got hurt anyway). Guys like Booker and Kane are solid journeymen to have around, but they weren't hugely over. As in drawing bigger pops than The Rock kind of over.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 27, 2014 22:27:37 GMT -5
I don't think Booker was worthy of winning; nothing he did in the two years he'd been with the company convinced me he'd do anything other than sink as central force of the flagship. His face-run was essentially a redemption arc and a shtick that, at best, was a B- Rock impersonation. The latter fact, the redemption and prison and whatnot, would be a good background for a B-PPV, but coming off 'Mania, and the crowning of a new flagship personality, I don't believe Booker was the guy. Sadly, they designed an angle where Booker absolutely had to win, or the company itself would coming off looking rough. Atrocious lack of foresight all in.
Shit like that is why it's so easy to just drop WWE sometimes, like the junk food it can oftern be. It is one thing to drag racial undercurrents into an angle, a massive f**king thing, but to do it so obliviously..... Whatever, just a turd, but then it is literally never mentioned as a part of either Booker or HHH's character again. There is zero consequence to anything that happens, no matter egregious or rotten or vile; these characters just revert back to default. Hunter's a wealthy racist, but hey, look, 'ARE YOU READY?!'.
Orton was a hell of a casualty of the essentially 3-year WHC reign of HHH. There was nobody hotter and just more 'it' than Orton in mid-to-late-04, and they gimped it out of the gate. It should've been Orton in Batista's role. The fact he rebounded from it is a credit to him.
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