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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2014 18:19:15 GMT -5
After seemingly sparking this whole debate in a joke thread about Dean Ambrose , I felt compelled to chime in. Like so many men before me, I once drove myself crazy with these kind if questions. But if my life experience has allowed me to finally learn one thing, it is that anyone who claims they actually know what women want really has no idea what they are talking about. Nuff said.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 27, 2014 18:25:54 GMT -5
I'm not a woman, and if I were I couldn't speak for everyone, but I thought it had far more to do with confidence for most people than how "nice" you were.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2014 18:28:15 GMT -5
I'm not a woman, and if I were I couldn't speak for everyone, but I thought it had far more to do with confidence for most people than how "nice" you were. See, that's the thing about my theory: we are men, so we really have no idea what goes on in a woman's head. It's also why I think Sigmund Freud was full of crap.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 27, 2014 18:29:41 GMT -5
I dunno--this isn't a knock against you in specific, but I find the whole defeatist logic of "women are nuts and nothing in particular will satisfy them" to be reflective of bitterness and kinda disingenuous. Obviously you can generalize what women find attractive or don't, but they aren't a total hive-mind you can just definitively script--they're just as human as any man is.
To address the thread title--in terms of stereotypes (not legitimately nice guys or legitimate dickheads)--I dislike the Nice Guy mold. At least the bad boy isn't tying to hide what he is after.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:31:26 GMT -5
Not assuming that all women want the same things would be a good start.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 18:32:53 GMT -5
Weak willed rich guys
They can be dominated, and you can spend their money
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Jul 27, 2014 18:35:45 GMT -5
Nice guys dont stand a chance against the 1980s Detroit Pistons
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2014 18:40:09 GMT -5
Not assuming that all women want the same things would be a good start. That's my point! There is no one size fits all, so dividing it into "nice" vs "bad" is pointless.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 27, 2014 18:46:27 GMT -5
I agree with the comment that was made that at least bad boys are upfront in terms of what they want. In defense of they nice boys who become the Nice Guys I will say that I think there is this false cultural narrative that respecting a woman and being a male feminist and finding a woman really sexually attractive are at odds. They are not. Those nice boys are taught that wanting sex is bad unless you mask it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 27, 2014 18:49:13 GMT -5
Not assuming that all women want the same things would be a good start. In addition to this, get rid of the real world notion of "good guys and bad boys". Much like women, men can't be thrown into 2 simple sets of personality. This is the second biggest problem with this whole conversation (not this one in particular Sephy, I mean in general with this topic). Attraction (or lack thereof) cannot be boiled down to simply that a particular girl isn't attracted to "nice guys".
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2014 18:54:36 GMT -5
Not assuming that all women want the same things would be a good start. In addition to this, get rid of the real world notion of "good guys and bad boys". Much like women, men can't be thrown into 2 simple sets of personality. This is the second biggest problem with this whole conversation (not this one in particular Sephy, I mean in general with this topic). Attraction (or lack thereof) cannot be boiled down to simple that a particular girl isn't attracted to "nice guys". That's what in saying. I find the whole nice guy/bad boy debate laughable a best, which is why it amuses me it emerged in a thread about the titty master.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 27, 2014 19:05:11 GMT -5
It's tangentially related. Plus the song is awesome.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 27, 2014 19:08:14 GMT -5
Women are people. It is not that hard to talk to them, they are not mysterious, there are no "tricks" to dealing with them other than being decent and treating them like a human being. I do not think this would even be an issue if people talked to each other instead of asking questions on forums. Not intended as a dig at OP. I see it all over pretty much every forum I have ever been a part of. As for the thread title, I do not think genuinely nice guys bill themselves as "nice" and "bad boys" are usually just confident dudes who are up front with everything. At least you know what you're getting.
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Post by ibdude on Jul 27, 2014 19:08:22 GMT -5
When people talk about "bad boys" they usually mean a guy who is confident. Whereas, a "nice guy" usually means weak-willed or something like that.
A lot of women (not all) like the "bad boy" ,even though most if the time he is a deplorable human being, is because he is confident. Most women are attracted to confidence.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jul 27, 2014 19:12:14 GMT -5
Not assuming that all women want the same things would be a good start. That's my point! There is no one size fits all, so dividing it into "nice" vs "bad" is pointless. Actually I think there is, and it's around 10 inches.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2014 19:13:27 GMT -5
That's my point! There is no one size fits all, so dividing it into "nice" vs "bad" is pointless. Actually I think there is, and it's around 10 inches. Now how can you ague with that?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 27, 2014 19:17:06 GMT -5
One thing I've learned about being a nice guy myself, is I had sympathy for "nice guys". In recent years though, I've learned that some of the time, nice guys aren't really nice at all. They're just assholes. And they're assholes in the way that, if you're a nice guy, you're owed something (which admittedly I've felt in the past). Basically, just because you possess the milk of human kindness, you are owed whatever.
Another thing is niceness is a trait most people have. Hitler was nice to somebody. Most people are nice to somebody in general. And if one feels they are owed something for a trait most people possess, then they're not really nice at all, they're arrogant.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 27, 2014 19:20:00 GMT -5
Oh, hallelujah. More "nice guys are douchebags in disguise crap."
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 27, 2014 19:31:50 GMT -5
Oh, hallelujah. More "nice guys are douchebags in disguise crap." It's not crap. The nice guys being referred to are those that fit the stereotype/character (no different than a bro, hipster, neck beard, mra, hippy, etc.) of manipulative dicks that play super-nice friend to a girl when they are really only after sexual gain. I don't think anybody is calling genuinely nice people secretive dbags.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 27, 2014 19:33:42 GMT -5
Oh, hallelujah. More "nice guys are douchebags in disguise crap." It's not crap. The nice guys being referred to are those that fit the stereotype/character (no different than a bro, hipster, neck beard, mra, hippy, etc.) of manipulative dicks that play super-nice friend to a girl when they are really only after sexual gain. I don't think anybody is calling genuinely nice people secretive dbags. Don't be nice to girls, guys. Because it's just you wanting sex in disguise. Better to treat them like crap, because that shows confidence!
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