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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 6:41:26 GMT -5
Just be a man (Hogan). Works for me. You guys are overthinking everything else.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 7:36:44 GMT -5
They smell purty though, n likes mah dimples.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 30, 2014 7:38:47 GMT -5
Know what I don't understand? You walk into one ladie's room naked from the waist down and suddenly you're some kind of sicko. Doesn't make sense, I tell you
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 7:44:37 GMT -5
Know what I don't understand? You walk into one ladie's room naked from the waist down and suddenly you're some kind of sicko. Doesn't make sense, I tell you It works 2/3 times.
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Post by ibdude on Jul 30, 2014 7:50:58 GMT -5
I just take from this forum and the internet in general that the so-called "nice guy" gets lumped in with the asshole. In my definition a nice guy is just that, a nice guy. People are really misunderstanding this term. 'Nice guy' doesn't just mean a guy who is nice, it's a neologism referring to a segment of men - often also Men's Rights Activists - who are nice to women and are the shoulder to lean on when they complain about their asshole boyfriends, but only so that they can then attempt to sleep with that girl later when she is dumped by or dumps that 'bad boy' boyfriend. They consider their selling point to be 'I'm so much nicer than her boyfriend, why WOULDN'T she go out with me?' and showing a sense of entitlement over the fact that girls will choose people that are not them, even though they are 'nice.' They also tend to turn on these girls when they turn them down, because how dare that girl have the hots for the bad boy and not for this guy she thought was a friend who actually gives a shit about her? Well see, people like to generalize which is what that is From your definition. Most nice guys don't have ulterior motives, and if they do, they don't realize it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 7:59:58 GMT -5
It's like you're a big bear with fangs and claws; and you see a lil bunny. And you're looking at your fangs&claws and thinking: "I don't know how to kill the bunny." With THIS, you don't know how to kill the bunny.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 30, 2014 8:00:06 GMT -5
People are really misunderstanding this term. 'Nice guy' doesn't just mean a guy who is nice, it's a neologism referring to a segment of men - often also Men's Rights Activists - who are nice to women and are the shoulder to lean on when they complain about their asshole boyfriends, but only so that they can then attempt to sleep with that girl later when she is dumped by or dumps that 'bad boy' boyfriend. They consider their selling point to be 'I'm so much nicer than her boyfriend, why WOULDN'T she go out with me?' and showing a sense of entitlement over the fact that girls will choose people that are not them, even though they are 'nice.' They also tend to turn on these girls when they turn them down, because how dare that girl have the hots for the bad boy and not for this guy she thought was a friend who actually gives a shit about her? Well see, people like to generalize which is what that is From your definition. Most nice guys don't have ulterior motives, and if they do, they don't realize it. *headdesk* I'm not saying all nice guys are "nice guys." I'm a nice guy. I'm just observing the existence of a subculture.
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Post by ibdude on Jul 30, 2014 8:07:36 GMT -5
Well see, people like to generalize which is what that is From your definition. Most nice guys don't have ulterior motives, and if they do, they don't realize it. *headdesk* I'm not saying all nice guys are "nice guys." I'm a nice guy. I'm just observing the existence of a subculture. Well see, it's a subculture. Which means most guys aren't like that. So the internet, you included, needs to stop lumping then together.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 30, 2014 8:13:25 GMT -5
*headdesk* I'm not saying all nice guys are "nice guys." I'm a nice guy. I'm just observing the existence of a subculture. Well see, it's a subculture. Which means most guys aren't like that. So the internet, you included, needs to stop lumping then together. You are making the same point that I am, and acting like you're disagreeing with me, when I'm only observing that the neologism and subculture exists.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 30, 2014 9:23:46 GMT -5
Know what I don't understand? You walk into one ladie's room naked from the waist down and suddenly you're some kind of sicko. Doesn't make sense, I tell you It works 2/3 times. Well in that case... *takes off pants and walks into ladies room* HEY LADIES! *Police sirens* DAMN YOU KEVIN HAMILTON. You lied to me again!!!!!
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Post by agent817 on Jul 30, 2014 10:36:14 GMT -5
This is sort of relevant what I might address here. What do you think is the main reason why a woman would cheat? If it because she finds the other man more irresistible than the guy she is dating currently? This SORT OF happened to be in recent memory. I wasn't exactly dating this girl but talking to her and it was bordering on dating. However, she told me that she hooked up with some guy she knew in high shool and slept with him. She told me that she had a falling out with him later on, but what I wonder is what made her put out. Is it because certain qualities the guy had enticed her to get it on with him? I have even read about how there have been relationships that had no sex involved or at least no sex until a certain point and the two then break up, and the woman puts out to the next man she goes with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 11:12:55 GMT -5
This is sort of relevant what I might address here. What do you think is the main reason why a woman would cheat? If it because she finds the other man more irresistible than the guy she is dating currently? This SORT OF happened to be in recent memory. I wasn't exactly dating this girl but talking to her and it was bordering on dating. However, she told me that she hooked up with some guy she knew in high shool and slept with him. She told me that she had a falling out with him later on, but what I wonder is what made her put out. Is it because certain qualities the guy had enticed her to get it on with him? I have even read about how there have been relationships that had no sex involved or at least no sex until a certain point and the two then break up, and the woman puts out to the next man she goes with. Could be a million reasons. The woman you were verging on dating may have wanted a casual physical thing, or just a simple cut and dry date/intimate period of time with that person. Or maybe she felt like she wanted a long term thing but then realized maybe not with that person as it wouldn't work. She could have found the person cool, or given she knew him since high school (assuming that was years ago) maybe it's just a thing in the bucket list to see that person intimately as she missed out on that all those years ago? A look back on past innocence and such. She could just have felt like seeing what being with different people in dates would feel like, if she could get a feel of what people are like over a meal or drinks or a film etc etc. A lack of experience with a variety of personalities can be the most concerning thing to many people. And tons of other things, could be simple, could be confusing. I know I've seen people I've known for years at points due to past links to them so y'know, just consider if you are in that situation and see what your mind comes up with circumstance wise. Sometimes sex in relationships CAN ruin things for a variety of reasons too, if people put too much stock in how that first intimate moment will feel after waiting for an extended period it may feel disappointing for a variety of reasons, the main one I see flung about is that at first people might not link up what they want/like in the right way (which happens with most people, sex is better after becoming familiar and realizing what you can do to make the other person happier), or maybe after sex they realize the lust is gone as they don't like the person as much in physical terms as they first thought etc. Or sometimes people feel embarrassed by their own personal appearance or how they perform with someone too. Ego and self confidence can be tested with intercourse at times so yeah. Tons of reasons to consider, and all are just as valid as one another.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 11:19:41 GMT -5
Well in that case... *takes off pants and walks into ladies room* HEY LADIES! *Police sirens* DAMN YOU KEVIN HAMILTON. You lied to me again!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 11:47:47 GMT -5
I started doing well with women when I grew up a bit. I was the "nice guy" (there's that term again) in high school. The guy who orbited his girl friends being super nice and doing whatever they wanted in the hopes they'd date me. It was only after I basically gave up dating and worked on improving myself that I realized what shitty, manipulative behavior it was. The other thing that's worked for me is dropping the notion of unconditional love straight out of my mindset. All of my interactions are conditional. You can make me stop being interested in you if you're a woman, the same as I'd imagine I can with you. I expect certain things and so do you. So let's be up front about it.
The girl I'm with now and I work really well because we both want the same things from our relationship. I enjoy being the leader in our relationship, and she likes that about me. I like that we're both hard working, ambitious people who don't expect the other one to be a crutch. And we argue. A lot. But other people see arguing, and I see our relationship being functional because we talk out what's bugging us. She had a phone call from her friend the other day where her friend told her I must treat her like crap because we're always fighting. She was confused as hell about it. Do I seem like a bad guy because I insist on talking out our issues instead of just letting them simmer underground? Maybe. But I don't care.
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Post by agent817 on Jul 30, 2014 15:13:40 GMT -5
This is sort of relevant what I might address here. What do you think is the main reason why a woman would cheat? If it because she finds the other man more irresistible than the guy she is dating currently? This SORT OF happened to be in recent memory. I wasn't exactly dating this girl but talking to her and it was bordering on dating. However, she told me that she hooked up with some guy she knew in high shool and slept with him. She told me that she had a falling out with him later on, but what I wonder is what made her put out. Is it because certain qualities the guy had enticed her to get it on with him? I have even read about how there have been relationships that had no sex involved or at least no sex until a certain point and the two then break up, and the woman puts out to the next man she goes with. Could be a million reasons. The woman you were verging on dating may have wanted a casual physical thing, or just a simple cut and dry date/intimate period of time with that person. Or maybe she felt like she wanted a long term thing but then realized maybe not with that person as it wouldn't work. She could have found the person cool, or given she knew him since high school (assuming that was years ago) maybe it's just a thing in the bucket list to see that person intimately as she missed out on that all those years ago? A look back on past innocence and such. She could just have felt like seeing what being with different people in dates would feel like, if she could get a feel of what people are like over a meal or drinks or a film etc etc. A lack of experience with a variety of personalities can be the most concerning thing to many people. And tons of other things, could be simple, could be confusing. I know I've seen people I've known for years at points due to past links to them so y'know, just consider if you are in that situation and see what your mind comes up with circumstance wise. Sometimes sex in relationships CAN ruin things for a variety of reasons too, if people put too much stock in how that first intimate moment will feel after waiting for an extended period it may feel disappointing for a variety of reasons, the main one I see flung about is that at first people might not link up what they want/like in the right way (which happens with most people, sex is better after becoming familiar and realizing what you can do to make the other person happier), or maybe after sex they realize the lust is gone as they don't like the person as much in physical terms as they first thought etc. Or sometimes people feel embarrassed by their own personal appearance or how they perform with someone too. Ego and self confidence can be tested with intercourse at times so yeah. Tons of reasons to consider, and all are just as valid as one another. Perhaps, but she also told me that she was afraid of getting close to guys, including me. She then later on told me she didn't want to talk to me anymore because she had to work on stuff involving her own emotions. She even told me that she isn't right for me and all that stuff, but I guess maybe I dodged a bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 15:17:51 GMT -5
Could be a million reasons. The woman you were verging on dating may have wanted a casual physical thing, or just a simple cut and dry date/intimate period of time with that person. Or maybe she felt like she wanted a long term thing but then realized maybe not with that person as it wouldn't work. She could have found the person cool, or given she knew him since high school (assuming that was years ago) maybe it's just a thing in the bucket list to see that person intimately as she missed out on that all those years ago? A look back on past innocence and such. She could just have felt like seeing what being with different people in dates would feel like, if she could get a feel of what people are like over a meal or drinks or a film etc etc. A lack of experience with a variety of personalities can be the most concerning thing to many people. And tons of other things, could be simple, could be confusing. I know I've seen people I've known for years at points due to past links to them so y'know, just consider if you are in that situation and see what your mind comes up with circumstance wise. Sometimes sex in relationships CAN ruin things for a variety of reasons too, if people put too much stock in how that first intimate moment will feel after waiting for an extended period it may feel disappointing for a variety of reasons, the main one I see flung about is that at first people might not link up what they want/like in the right way (which happens with most people, sex is better after becoming familiar and realizing what you can do to make the other person happier), or maybe after sex they realize the lust is gone as they don't like the person as much in physical terms as they first thought etc. Or sometimes people feel embarrassed by their own personal appearance or how they perform with someone too. Ego and self confidence can be tested with intercourse at times so yeah. Tons of reasons to consider, and all are just as valid as one another. Perhaps, but she also told me that she was afraid of getting close to guys, including me. She then later on told me she didn't want to talk to me anymore because she had to work on stuff involving her own emotions. She even told me that she isn't right for me and all that stuff, but I guess maybe I dodged a bullet. As she wasn't certain about things I'd say it's better for both of you that things didn't happen, saves any needless drama later on for the both of you. The fact she openly told you that things wouldn't work out is really nice though, as much as it may not seem it, because that's pure respect to be able to talk about such matters with someone you're dating/planning on seeing regularly. And clearly she trusted you with that information, so yeah, as much as it may not seem it right now that's good to hear.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 30, 2014 15:50:05 GMT -5
Any time you hear someone tell you some variant of: "I don't have the time/headspace/etc for a relationship", it means they don't want one with YOU.
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Post by agent817 on Jul 30, 2014 16:10:07 GMT -5
Perhaps, but she also told me that she was afraid of getting close to guys, including me. She then later on told me she didn't want to talk to me anymore because she had to work on stuff involving her own emotions. She even told me that she isn't right for me and all that stuff, but I guess maybe I dodged a bullet. As she wasn't certain about things I'd say it's better for both of you that things didn't happen, saves any needless drama later on for the both of you. The fact she openly told you that things wouldn't work out is really nice though, as much as it may not seem it, because that's pure respect to be able to talk about such matters with someone you're dating/planning on seeing regularly. And clearly she trusted you with that information, so yeah, as much as it may not seem it right now that's good to hear. True, but I still felt hurt about it. I guess it's true what people say, the truth hurts. I understand what she was going through, but I don't understand why she had to sever all ties to me. She could have simply just taken a break from talking to me whether it was weeks or months. I guess she didn't want to talk to me even as a friend. Of course, she did apologize if she hurt my feelings in any way, not to mention she said that she didn't mean to sound selfish.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 30, 2014 22:12:21 GMT -5
Any time you hear someone tell you some variant of: "I don't have the time/headspace/etc for a relationship", it means they don't want one with YOU. Besides, if they don't want one versus not wanting one with you specifically, the result's the same. Gotta move on either way.
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Post by Chip on Jul 30, 2014 22:27:31 GMT -5
I really don't want to read six pages so I'll say something that was told to me recently; dick is abundant in quantity and easy to get in varying qualities. Do with that info what you will.
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