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Post by domrep on Sept 25, 2014 18:25:21 GMT -5
This is where anyone with any bookkeeping or accounting background would come in and try to balance their budget as much as they can. They need to run less house shows but run house shows in major markets, go back to being taped and don't bloat the roster with top salaried guys. Let Angle go, maybe even let Bully Ray go. Enough. "Back" to being taped? They are currently taping like 2 months of TV at a time, if not MORE. I was under the assumption that this is being done because they have no TV deal so they're cutting corners.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 25, 2014 19:05:51 GMT -5
"Back" to being taped? They are currently taping like 2 months of TV at a time, if not MORE. I was under the assumption that this is being done because they have no TV deal so they're cutting corners. TNA been going into survival mode since last year. Way before Spike pulled the plug. Big names are leaving because TNA don't have the money to spend for them. Marathon tapings are the norm.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 25, 2014 19:17:10 GMT -5
"Back" to being taped? They are currently taping like 2 months of TV at a time, if not MORE. I was under the assumption that this is being done because they have no TV deal so they're cutting corners. Nope. More or less that when traveling was a disaster and Panda Energy pulled out a lot of money tna had no backup plan since the old Impact Zone was already booked. Speaking of which, just an example of how bad TNA advertising team was. AJ said in his shoot that the one venue was right across the street from the hotel they were trying at and the hotel employees had no idea there was a wrestling show across the street that night. AJ also mentioned how multiple times he and a few others would go to the gym before a show and people would recognize them and would have no idea that a show was being held. AJ even said that the company trucks didn't even have TNA logos on so even the simplest advertising wasn't used.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 29, 2014 18:33:53 GMT -5
I don't care if it's a downgrade as long as TNA is on TV. As far as production costs go, I don't care if TNA does their shows in a high school gym as long as they have a decent looking set up and the camera, lighting and editing work is solid and professional looking, and that can be done relatively cheaply. TNA needs to go bare bones and then rebuild from the ground up. Won't work, because the person doing the rebuilding is the same person who's put TNA in its present sorry state to begin with.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 30, 2014 4:10:48 GMT -5
Only thing I found was the guy from the Wonder Years was at WGN America's office and tweeted a photo. I'm trying to find what the average rating is for shows on WGN America. It seems like it's around the 1.5 million viewer mark which TNA can hit consistently with better programming and marketing. It doesn't reach as many homes though....IDK....it sounds like a good station to be on? WGN America is in about 25million less homes than Spike is. I don't see them magically raising viewership 300K plus when they are losing 25 million eyeballs. Wasn't it Meltzer that said that WGN would be available in more homes next year cause they would become "national" or something like that?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 30, 2014 9:32:18 GMT -5
WGN America is in about 25million less homes than Spike is. I don't see them magically raising viewership 300K plus when they are losing 25 million eyeballs. Wasn't it Meltzer that said that WGN would be available in more homes next year cause they would become "national" or something like that? I dunno much about WGN, but I do know that in new basic Verizon Vios packages it's now part of the basic package, and Vios is gaining a lot more customers.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 30, 2014 10:14:35 GMT -5
WGN America is in about 25million less homes than Spike is. I don't see them magically raising viewership 300K plus when they are losing 25 million eyeballs. Wasn't it Meltzer that said that WGN would be available in more homes next year cause they would become "national" or something like that? They are already a national channel. They are available in 65 percent of U.S. homes as it is now. WGN has been saying it wants to be part of basic cable packages in every cable system in the U.S. by 2016. That's all well and good but they don't get to pick that. Not going to get into the whole long drawn out workings of deciding what channel goes where and what ones get carried by whom, but just remember the NFL Network wanted on basic packages by 2012 in every home. How'd that work out? If the juggernaut that is the NFL couldn't get their way, I don't see WGN America forcing cable companies to carry them on basic cable. Yes, WGN out of the channels rumored is probably their "best" option outside Spike (which is still their best option imo). It is still a significant downgrade though in available viewers. It is, however, the biggest number of viewers possible they can ask for outside the NBC Universal and Viacom families.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 3, 2014 17:10:59 GMT -5
Wasn't it Meltzer that said that WGN would be available in more homes next year cause they would become "national" or something like that? They are already a national channel. They are available in 65 percent of U.S. homes as it is now. WGN has been saying it wants to be part of basic cable packages in every cable system in the U.S. by 2016. That's all well and good but they don't get to pick that. Not going to get into the whole long drawn out workings of deciding what channel goes where and what ones get carried by whom, but just remember the NFL Network wanted on basic packages by 2012 in every home. How'd that work out? If the juggernaut that is the NFL couldn't get their way, I don't see WGN America forcing cable companies to carry them on basic cable. Yes, WGN out of the channels rumored is probably their "best" option outside Spike (which is still their best option imo). It is still a significant downgrade though in available viewers. It is, however, the biggest number of viewers possible they can ask for outside the NBC Universal and Viacom families. What about Fox and related channels. FX for example is a non Viacom and NBC station that is pretty large. I know interest is a different story but still. The problem I see is yes TNA is signing TV deal internationally and that's fine. But there issue is far besides having a US TV deal. I look at the indies like ROH and NEW (Guy talks about it all the time here) He was just telling me how many fans they draw. Which was most time hire then TNA last tappings. TNA needs simple marketing if it is true what AJ said. They can make money and survive if they can sell tickets. You can do that if nobody knows you even there. No reason why you can get a 1,000 fans when you have the likes of Jeff Hardy on your roster. That just boggles my mind how they can't do the simple things that most all indies federation do.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 3, 2014 18:53:11 GMT -5
They are already a national channel. They are available in 65 percent of U.S. homes as it is now. WGN has been saying it wants to be part of basic cable packages in every cable system in the U.S. by 2016. That's all well and good but they don't get to pick that. Not going to get into the whole long drawn out workings of deciding what channel goes where and what ones get carried by whom, but just remember the NFL Network wanted on basic packages by 2012 in every home. How'd that work out? If the juggernaut that is the NFL couldn't get their way, I don't see WGN America forcing cable companies to carry them on basic cable. Yes, WGN out of the channels rumored is probably their "best" option outside Spike (which is still their best option imo). It is still a significant downgrade though in available viewers. It is, however, the biggest number of viewers possible they can ask for outside the NBC Universal and Viacom families. What about Fox and related channels. FX for example is a non Viacom and NBC station that is pretty large. I know interest is a different story but still. The problem I see is yes TNA is signing TV deal internationally and that's fine. But there issue is far besides having a US TV deal. I look at the indies like ROH and NEW (Guy talks about it all the time here) He was just telling me how many fans they draw. Which was most time hire then TNA last tappings. TNA needs simple marketing if it is true what AJ said. They can make money and survive if they can sell tickets. You can do that if nobody knows you even there. No reason why you can get a 1,000 fans when you have the likes of Jeff Hardy on your roster. That just boggles my mind how they can't do the simple things that most all indies federation do. Sure you could say Fox family of channels is available. Don't see them being interested though, if they were interested in wrestling they would have made a run at WWE. Concerning TNA's attendance issues, it's more than marketing. TNA's fans are accustomed to not having to spend money on it. The latest tapings totaled 1700 people and if reports are true some of that were freebies. There are millions of people within an hour of the location. Did they not know about it? Not care about it? Multitude of reasons why it ran at less than 20 percent occupancy for the tapings, and you can't just blame it on marketing. Honestly it's the brand TNA. It's damaged beyond repair IMO. No matter what the quality of the show be it good, bad, mediocre, whatever. No one could be assed w/ spending money on it.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 3, 2014 20:37:56 GMT -5
What about Fox and related channels. FX for example is a non Viacom and NBC station that is pretty large. I know interest is a different story but still. The problem I see is yes TNA is signing TV deal internationally and that's fine. But there issue is far besides having a US TV deal. I look at the indies like ROH and NEW (Guy talks about it all the time here) He was just telling me how many fans they draw. Which was most time hire then TNA last tappings. TNA needs simple marketing if it is true what AJ said. They can make money and survive if they can sell tickets. You can do that if nobody knows you even there. No reason why you can get a 1,000 fans when you have the likes of Jeff Hardy on your roster. That just boggles my mind how they can't do the simple things that most all indies federation do. Sure you could say Fox family of channels is available. Don't see them being interested though, if they were interested in wrestling they would have made a run at WWE. Concerning TNA's attendance issues, it's more than marketing. TNA's fans are accustomed to not having to spend money on it. The latest tapings totaled 1700 people and if reports are true some of that were freebies. There are millions of people within an hour of the location. Did they not know about it? Not care about it? Multitude of reasons why it ran at less than 20 percent occupancy for the tapings, and you can't just blame it on marketing. Honestly it's the brand TNA. It's damaged beyond repair IMO. No matter what the quality of the show be it good, bad, mediocre, whatever. No one could be assed w/ spending money on it. At this point I agree with that. But they been doing this for years with the lack of marketing so I can blame that as a reason becuse for years they been on the decline in attendance in the US market. Which it seems because fans seen years of mediocre to bad at best product with a splash of good in the middle of it. They see a company as they don't care to invest in gaining our interest or want or money as I said a few threads about the treatment of PPVs. It seems in the US market they only care they keep the core 1.1 people that watch every week for so long. The years of miss management and horrible business moves that even myself who has no wrestling business experience could see it was a horrible business move. That is why I also agreed that TNA needs too die because it far to damaged beyond repair and I doubt the product will ever improve in quality as long Dixie is in charge. The chance of show quality being good and staying good is slim because they never done it before. We be lucky to ever get six months of quality shows top to bottom. Because they get on a couple months of good shows and it seems they find some kind of way to screw up royalty and never look back. Bruce Prichard said it best in a shoot interview about TNA. You can find that clip on youtube easily. The company is as good as dead regardless what TV deal they sign because the stars that fans do even care about are good as gone. No way they will resign Hardy. Joe will likely be able to do the same thing AJ is doing when he deal is up which is close. The roster of talent that fans would pay too see is getting smaller and smaller.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Oct 13, 2014 9:04:27 GMT -5
They need to have an African wrestler named Ebola
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 13, 2014 10:31:06 GMT -5
So.. any news or anything about anything?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 13, 2014 10:40:02 GMT -5
So.. any news or anything about anything? Not really no.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 13, 2014 11:01:37 GMT -5
So.. any news or anything about anything? Not really no. So we are essentially at 96 pages and our gained knowledge is : TNA will never die in Africa It may or may not be on TV once the current tapings run out
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 13, 2014 11:16:26 GMT -5
So we are essentially at 96 pages and our gained knowledge is : TNA will never die in Africa It may or may not be on TV once the current tapings run out Pretty much all we know is that Spike TV is holding it till the end of the year. They may or may not be on TV afterwards... if they fail to secure a US tv deal they do not make enough from their international deals to stay alive.
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Post by kevin on Oct 14, 2014 11:28:45 GMT -5
TNA would be amazing as a network show. Find a small arena like ECW back in the day run shows with a great atomsphere. The Network could use some non WWE original wrestling to help bring in more subscribers.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 14, 2014 18:22:23 GMT -5
TNA would be amazing as a network show. Find a small arena like ECW back in the day run shows with a great atomsphere. The Network could use some non WWE original wrestling to help bring in more subscribers. I'd rather TNA die completely than be on the WWE Network.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 14, 2014 18:25:42 GMT -5
TNA would be amazing as a network show. Find a small arena like ECW back in the day run shows with a great atomsphere. The Network could use some non WWE original wrestling to help bring in more subscribers. I'd rather TNA die completely than be on the WWE Network. Your wish is more likely than WWE touching it for that, so, likely wish granted. If WWE was going to get non-WWE content(why), it'd probably be something with much less overhead. Hell, it'd be more likely for them to buy WSX and restart it than TNA.
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Post by DjZonk on Oct 14, 2014 18:33:58 GMT -5
They pretty much do non WWE content with NXT. The show has such a different vibe it's as if I'm not watching WWE content for the most part.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 16, 2014 20:58:37 GMT -5
So I was thinking about it today and yeah, I'm thinking there is going to be no tv deal and I feel that the January shows will be TNA's swan song. I feel most guys see the writing on the wall and won't likely renew their contracts.
In regards to WWE, basically NXT is what their TNA could be. I feel WWE should do specials of indy shows, like PWG's Battle of Los Angeles, Chikara's King of Trios, CZW's Best of the Best, stuff like that. But TNA is a weekly show, and basically it has the stench WCW had. There was no way they could run WCW back in 2001 because the brand was dead at that point, because of how much of a bad reputation it got.
If WWE was to do something like a TNA, they might as well just make a new brand, or give NXT two hours and have more talent on that show. I say they could take like, maybe 10 guys max. Bobby Roode, Austin Aries, Eric Young, Jeff Hardy, James Storm, MVP, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Ethan Carter III and Angelina Love. I don't expect them to take really good people like Havok or Rockstar Spud due to their looks, I don't think they'll take Team 3D, Bram may've burned his bridge there unless Ric Flair can talk them into something, I don't see Lashley, Mr. Anderson or Matt Hardy going back, and there maybe other talented guys but there aren't that many spots available in WWE. I mean, they do need main event guys, and I could see Bobby Roode or Austin Aries being shoved quickly in the main event picture, maybe Jeff Hardy, but things aren't looking good for TNA.
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