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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 25, 2014 23:27:55 GMT -5
I wonder if Turner would buy TNA. He doesn't own TBS or TNT anymore. He sold to Time Warner. He's also 75 years old and enjoys doing whatever it is that uber-rich dudes like to do.
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 26, 2014 0:37:07 GMT -5
Spike should just give TNA's timeslot to a highlights show of New Japan, with English language commentary. It would get better ratings. Serious commentary, or have it be a wrestling version of MXC? ...remember when Spike was good?
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Post by agent817 on Oct 26, 2014 0:54:44 GMT -5
I wonder if Turner would buy TNA. He doesn't own TBS or TNT anymore. He sold to Time Warner. He's also 75 years old and enjoys doing whatever it is that uber-rich dudes like to do. Well, if not Ted Turner, then maybe Time Warner? Or do they not want anything to do with wrestling after that whole thing with WCW in their dying days?
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 26, 2014 2:02:01 GMT -5
He doesn't own TBS or TNT anymore. He sold to Time Warner. He's also 75 years old and enjoys doing whatever it is that uber-rich dudes like to do. Well, if not Ted Turner, then maybe Time Warner? Or do they not want anything to do with wrestling after that whole thing with WCW in their dying days? Time Warner are the ones who killed WCW lol. No one in the upper echelon of that company gave a shit about wrestling and they sold the assets for pennies on the dollar. They wanted out as quickly as possible. Vince made out like a bandit when he bought WCW considering the amount of history and what they may have gotten had they not wanted to cut and run like they did. The tape library alone today would be worth A LOT more than what Vince paid and I imagine a lot of the trademarks (nWo and stuff like that) would be worth more as well. There is almost no chance in hell a major media conglomerate (Time Warner, Comcast, etc) purchase TNA at this point. It's not a valuable asset by any measure. It's never gotten strong ratings and they have no starpower at all. Its just not a strong brand name. Its also got little to no history/foundation to build off of. TNA has more in common with ECW at this point than WCW or WWF/E. If a conglomerate decided to get into wrestling at this point, I would expect them to create their own company rather than try and save one that has seen very little sustained success. Its not even worthwhile unless another company succeeds organically first, builds a brand, and then gets a big boost rather than just dumping money onto something that hasn't been a total failure but hasnt really built a strong brand name either. This is basically what Turner did with WCW. WCW was not what it was before him. They were Jim Crockett Promotions first. Then Ted got involved. Thing is, JCP/NWA (once they merged) were more popular than TNA ever has been. The only way TNA would succeed at this point with a major company is if they got someone behind the scenes who loved wrestling legitimately, had a blank check, and knew how to run wrestling, but even if they had someone new, someone high up has to believe in it and be willing to wait for success. The Carters have always treated TNA like a pet project. Ted Turner grew up with it and legitimately loved it. He had the money and once he merged with Time Warner, that was basically the end. He wasn't the "Vince" in the room anymore.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 26, 2014 13:01:00 GMT -5
Well, if not Ted Turner, then maybe Time Warner? Or do they not want anything to do with wrestling after that whole thing with WCW in their dying days? Time Warner are the ones who killed WCW lol. No one in the upper echelon of that company gave a shit about wrestling and they sold the assets for pennies on the dollar. They wanted out as quickly as possible. Vince made out like a bandit when he bought WCW considering the amount of history and what they may have gotten had they not wanted to cut and run like they did. The tape library alone today would be worth A LOT more than what Vince paid and I imagine a lot of the trademarks (nWo and stuff like that) would be worth more as well. There is almost no chance in hell a major media conglomerate (Time Warner, Comcast, etc) purchase TNA at this point. It's not a valuable asset by any measure. It's never gotten strong ratings and they have no starpower at all. Its just not a strong brand name. Its also got little to no history/foundation to build off of. TNA has more in common with ECW at this point than WCW or WWF/E. If a conglomerate decided to get into wrestling at this point, I would expect them to create their own company rather than try and save one that has seen very little sustained success. Its not even worthwhile unless another company succeeds organically first, builds a brand, and then gets a big boost rather than just dumping money onto something that hasn't been a total failure but hasnt really built a strong brand name either. This is basically what Turner did with WCW. WCW was not what it was before him. They were Jim Crockett Promotions first. Then Ted got involved. Thing is, JCP/NWA (once they merged) were more popular than TNA ever has been. The only way TNA would succeed at this point with a major company is if they got someone behind the scenes who loved wrestling legitimately, had a blank check, and knew how to run wrestling, but even if they had someone new, someone high up has to believe in it and be willing to wait for success. The Carters have always treated TNA like a pet project. Ted Turner grew up with it and legitimately loved it. He had the money and once he merged with Time Warner, that was basically the end. He wasn't the "Vince" in the room anymore. This Also Turner was smart to know that he wouldn't be able to run it or book it, like Dixie tried to do. In my opinion the main reason why a major player or conglomerate won't but the company it's because of their stupid name. Dixie should've sold it to Toby Keith, now they're an indy, hell some indies even outdrew them.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 26, 2014 14:06:19 GMT -5
Well, if not Ted Turner, then maybe Time Warner? Or do they not want anything to do with wrestling after that whole thing with WCW in their dying days? Time Warner are the ones who killed WCW lol. No one in the upper echelon of that company gave a shit about wrestling and they sold the assets for pennies on the dollar. They wanted out as quickly as possible. Vince made out like a bandit when he bought WCW considering the amount of history and what they may have gotten had they not wanted to cut and run like they did. The tape library alone today would be worth A LOT more than what Vince paid and I imagine a lot of the trademarks (nWo and stuff like that) would be worth more as well. There is almost no chance in hell a major media conglomerate (Time Warner, Comcast, etc) purchase TNA at this point. It's not a valuable asset by any measure. It's never gotten strong ratings and they have no starpower at all. Its just not a strong brand name. Its also got little to no history/foundation to build off of. TNA has more in common with ECW at this point than WCW or WWF/E. If a conglomerate decided to get into wrestling at this point, I would expect them to create their own company rather than try and save one that has seen very little sustained success. Its not even worthwhile unless another company succeeds organically first, builds a brand, and then gets a big boost rather than just dumping money onto something that hasn't been a total failure but hasnt really built a strong brand name either. This is basically what Turner did with WCW. WCW was not what it was before him. They were Jim Crockett Promotions first. Then Ted got involved. Thing is, JCP/NWA (once they merged) were more popular than TNA ever has been. The only way TNA would succeed at this point with a major company is if they got someone behind the scenes who loved wrestling legitimately, had a blank check, and knew how to run wrestling, but even if they had someone new, someone high up has to believe in it and be willing to wait for success. The Carters have always treated TNA like a pet project. Ted Turner grew up with it and legitimately loved it. He had the money and once he merged with Time Warner, that was basically the end. He wasn't the "Vince" in the room anymore. I'd like to hope that there was some random wrestling promotion (not WWE) that would like to merge TNA into its own. Would the Carters be willing to cut and run the way that Time Warner did and dump TNA and its assets for peanuts?
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 26, 2014 14:13:47 GMT -5
In my opinion the main reason why a major player or conglomerate won't but the company it's because of their stupid name. Eh, I think this is a really minor issue. I would expect any new owner to re-brand the entire product simply because of the stupidity of the name. That goes back to my original point though, TNA just isn't a strong enough brand on its own to garner the type of interest thats being discussed here. ECW was in a better position than TNA is right now and ECW had financial issues their entire existence. but they had built a very strong brand name. TNA has not done that.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 26, 2014 14:22:35 GMT -5
I'd like to hope that there was some random wrestling promotion (not WWE) that would like to merge TNA into its own. Would the Carters be willing to cut and run the way that Time Warner did and dump TNA and its assets for peanuts? But why would any other company want to merge with TNA? There's no real motivation for any company to consider it. They don't have a lot of assets aside from the TV slot which is all but lost and international deals. That may be enough, but there aren't a lot of realistic options. Even the TNA tape library is not very valuable because its still a very young company and WWE would almost certainly outbid for it if it came down to it (if they'd even take it). I highly doubt ROH would do it and if TNA went under any talent they want would be available. AAA? GFW? Neither of them are a strong brand in the US and acquiring TNA wouldn't help much. More likely is another company growing its own brand rather than taking on a decade+ old company that hasn't done much of anything substantial. I think the Carters are going to be forced to do what Time Warner did. Time Warner didn't have to though, they just wanted to.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 26, 2014 14:38:22 GMT -5
I'd like to hope that there was some random wrestling promotion (not WWE) that would like to merge TNA into its own. Would the Carters be willing to cut and run the way that Time Warner did and dump TNA and its assets for peanuts? But why would any other company want to merge with TNA? There's no real motivation for any company to consider it. They don't have a lot of assets aside from the TV slot which is all but lost and international deals. That may be enough, but there aren't a lot of realistic options. Even the TNA tape library is not very valuable because its still a very young company and WWE would almost certainly outbid for it if it came down to it (if they'd even take it). I highly doubt ROH would do it and if TNA went under any talent they want would be available. AAA? GFW? Neither of them are a strong brand in the US and acquiring TNA wouldn't help much. More likely is another company growing its own brand rather than taking on a decade+ old company that hasn't done much of anything substantial. I think the Carters are going to be forced to do what Time Warner did. Time Warner didn't have to though, they just wanted to. I didn't mean that the would TNA brand itself would carry on. Everyone says that the TNA name is an albatross, and needs to be rebranded. I was thinking more along the lines of a mid-sized indy promotion (with some good financial backing) purchasing TNA's assets, taking on the talent, and putting themselves over by unifying TNA's championships into their own. The company WOULD be growing its own brand in this scenario.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 26, 2014 14:45:11 GMT -5
But why would any other company want to merge with TNA? There's no real motivation for any company to consider it. They don't have a lot of assets aside from the TV slot which is all but lost and international deals. That may be enough, but there aren't a lot of realistic options. Even the TNA tape library is not very valuable because its still a very young company and WWE would almost certainly outbid for it if it came down to it (if they'd even take it). I highly doubt ROH would do it and if TNA went under any talent they want would be available. AAA? GFW? Neither of them are a strong brand in the US and acquiring TNA wouldn't help much. More likely is another company growing its own brand rather than taking on a decade+ old company that hasn't done much of anything substantial. I think the Carters are going to be forced to do what Time Warner did. Time Warner didn't have to though, they just wanted to. I didn't mean that the would TNA brand itself would carry on. Everyone says that the TNA name is an albatross, and needs to be rebranded. I was thinking more along the lines of a mid-sized indy promotion (with some good financial backing) purchasing TNA's assets, taking on the talent, and putting themselves over by unifying TNA's championships into their own. The company WOULD be growing its own brand in this scenario. Yes, but its still a big hypothetical with not a lot of realistic options. Who is this mid-sized indy promotion?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Nov 2, 2014 13:36:24 GMT -5
I didn't mean that the would TNA brand itself would carry on. Everyone says that the TNA name is an albatross, and needs to be rebranded. I was thinking more along the lines of a mid-sized indy promotion (with some good financial backing) purchasing TNA's assets, taking on the talent, and putting themselves over by unifying TNA's championships into their own. The company WOULD be growing its own brand in this scenario. Yes, but its still a big hypothetical with not a lot of realistic options. Who is this mid-sized indy promotion? ROH isn't going too do it because there doing there own thing and being successful. People see ROH as the "ECW" of this generation of wrestling because so many of there talent end up in the WWE. I half agree with that because ROH is a successful ran business. ROH just got a Toy Deal of there own. The thing about ROH is that they are not trying too be bigger than what they can handle and that is smart. Sure a lot of people believe they can be a huge deal and sure they can if they had the money too go to that level. They way I look at ROH is that they are a company who only cares about turning a profit and isn't going overboard in growth. They taken small steps in doing so and it been working. TNA has been around just as long as the WCW brand has only WCW had the NWA linked too it because what Ted brought from the NWA too start it. That what made WCW more value in a tape library because what the WWE got was anything from the Jim Crockett era. WCW at less had the promotional stuff behind them in sponsors and advertising and Toy deals being in stores. TNA is so bad in those regards because of horrible business move after another. The only real benfit for ROH right now with the Tape deal is they could do a AJ Styles career DVD or Joe and Daniels and be closer too a complete career set. TNA is too much damage goods too get a new ownership or a new boss too take over and turn it around like Eric did with WCW. Dixie isn't getting fired because she family too the owners. For TNA too be a company that turns into something. They need a complete over haul in management, company name, and direction. TNA name value is worth crap right now. Management needs too become a well oil machine they knows it's direction and has a real plan on how its going too get there with the idea of making money. TNA name is like I can't put it on a PPV and fans will buy it because nobody buys it anymore after years of poor handling of the angles and booking the shows too mean something. No matter how good of a show I make, fans are not going too buy into it for a long time. A new name with a new management will make that process I think speed up.
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Post by ayumidah on Nov 3, 2014 2:42:16 GMT -5
There's a strong feeling within TNA that Impact Wrestling will end up staying with Spike TV, which means TNA would likely have to settle for the lesser pay that Spike wants to pay them. A Spike TV source confirmed this week that the two sides are still talking and people in TNA note that the two sides have never stopped talking and re-signing with Spike has always been a possibility. -noDQ.com
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Post by Danimal on Nov 3, 2014 5:36:44 GMT -5
There's a strong feeling within TNA that Impact Wrestling will end up staying with Spike TV, which means TNA would likely have to settle for the lesser pay that Spike wants to pay them. A Spike TV source confirmed this week that the two sides are still talking and people in TNA note that the two sides have never stopped talking and re-signing with Spike has always been a possibility. -noDQ.com This wouldn't surprise me. Spike can do without TNA but they'd probably keep them around if the price is right.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 3, 2014 9:16:54 GMT -5
The positive with Spike is that when Dixie talked to this paper a few months ago, she said that TNA getting a second show is a must to survive. So maybe staying on Spike they could have that.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 3, 2014 9:17:23 GMT -5
The positive with Spike is that when Dixie talked to this paper a few months ago, she said that TNA getting a second show is a must to survive. So maybe staying on Spike they could have that.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 3, 2014 9:43:50 GMT -5
The positive with Spike is that when Dixie talked to this paper a few months ago, she said that TNA getting a second show is a must to survive. So maybe staying on Spike they could have that. Does TNA even have enough talent left in the company for a second show? They barely got enough to cover Impact every week. This whole "we need a 2nd show to survive" is the latest dangling carrot from Dixie and TNA. They needed to a cable network instead of ppv. They needed to leave the Asylum to grow. They needed big names to grow. They needed to 2 hours. They needed even more big names. They needed go live every Monday against Raw. They needed to leave the Impact Zone for good. They needed to go back to the Impact Zone. They needed to get rid of the bigger, higher paid names. They need to get on another cable network since Spike doesn't support them like they want them to. All these things were done and yielded the same results: more excuses and goals for when that didn't work out.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 3, 2014 10:05:07 GMT -5
The positive with Spike is that when Dixie talked to this paper a few months ago, she said that TNA getting a second show is a must to survive. So maybe staying on Spike they could have that. Does TNA even have enough talent left in the company for a second show? They barely got enough to cover Impact every week. This whole "we need a 2nd show to survive" is the latest dangling carrot from Dixie and TNA. They needed to a cable network instead of ppv. They needed to leave the Asylum to grow. They needed big names to grow. They needed to 2 hours. They needed even more big names. They needed go live every Monday against Raw. They needed to leave the Impact Zone for good. They needed to go back to the Impact Zone. They needed to get rid of the bigger, higher paid names. They need to get on another cable network since Spike doesn't support them like they want them to. All these things were done and yielded the same results: more excuses and goals for when that didn't work out. The second show doesn't need TNA talent. It'll be a ghost hunter type show where they figure where all their audience went narrated by Leonard Nemoy.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 3, 2014 10:28:07 GMT -5
Does TNA even have enough talent left in the company for a second show? They barely got enough to cover Impact every week. This whole "we need a 2nd show to survive" is the latest dangling carrot from Dixie and TNA. They needed to a cable network instead of ppv. They needed to leave the Asylum to grow. They needed big names to grow. They needed to 2 hours. They needed even more big names. They needed go live every Monday against Raw. They needed to leave the Impact Zone for good. They needed to go back to the Impact Zone. They needed to get rid of the bigger, higher paid names. They need to get on another cable network since Spike doesn't support them like they want them to. All these things were done and yielded the same results: more excuses and goals for when that didn't work out. The second show doesn't need TNA talent. It'll be a ghost hunter type show where they figure where all their audience went narrated by Leonard Nemoy. They could do a show about a strip club that the Knockouts work after working Impact or one with the roster reenacting the best scenes from COPS. I think Kurt would make a great Clueless Ricky.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Nov 3, 2014 17:28:55 GMT -5
Does TNA even have enough talent left in the company for a second show? They barely got enough to cover Impact every week. This whole "we need a 2nd show to survive" is the latest dangling carrot from Dixie and TNA. They needed to a cable network instead of ppv. They needed to leave the Asylum to grow. They needed big names to grow. They needed to 2 hours. They needed even more big names. They needed go live every Monday against Raw. They needed to leave the Impact Zone for good. They needed to go back to the Impact Zone. They needed to get rid of the bigger, higher paid names. They need to get on another cable network since Spike doesn't support them like they want them to. All these things were done and yielded the same results: more excuses and goals for when that didn't work out. The second show doesn't need TNA talent. It'll be a ghost hunter type show where they figure where all their audience went narrated by Leonard Nemoy. Actually they are going to hire the show thread people to do a re-airing of Impact with Mystery Science Theater 3000 commentary instead of Tazz
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Post by benstudd on Nov 4, 2014 0:45:45 GMT -5
All you have to do is hire kids for cheap and have Don West call the matches, saying they are the greatest things he's ever seen.
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