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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 27, 2014 21:11:08 GMT -5
I don't even know if I want them to go out of business anymore.
They've shown many times - the NY shows being the latest example - that they have the talent to put on some good to great shows. They just often weigh all that talent down with complete bullshit writing and stories that you never get to see that talent at their full potential; see, Samoa Joe, as the perfect example.
Their reputation is more harm than good at this point. When you hear the TNA name you often can't help but chuckle and that's not the way to make new fans -- and even if you get them to tune in, they won't stay for long because the good shows are few-and-far between. They're their own worst enemy.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jul 27, 2014 21:11:19 GMT -5
You honestly think TNA can replace 90% of there roster and fans still tune in and care? You also act like TNA has such a good history at building there own talent when the best one they ever had left in AJ and there next best would be Roode and Joe who I know neither will move. When they are currently using WWECW talent as there main angle yeah lets talk about doing a hell of a job creating stars when there champion is again a former WWE guy. AJ Styles Samoa Joe The Beautiful People Madison Rayne Christopher Daniels Bobby Roode James Storm Magnus Kazarian Bobby Roode EC3 I'd say TNA have done alright at producing their own stars, and just because a former WWE guy is the champion makes it a bad thing? Aren't former WWE guys who have been released allowed to seek employment else where now? Incredibly stupid mindset to have. Only a few issues with your list, TNA didn't make Joe, or Daniels ROH did. Kazarian isn't a TNA made talent either. The only one on your list I can think of TNA even made was Storm
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Post by metylerca on Jul 27, 2014 21:12:11 GMT -5
Let's call it the SpikeTV at 9pm section. It'll cover so much ground! So help me I want to do this and then they use the timeslot for infomercials. 1.15
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:14:33 GMT -5
I mean...f*** TNA. Honestly, that's how I feel if they go out of business. 12 years of unrealized potential 12 years of making the same mistakes over and over and over again. 12 years of just not getting it. I'm tired of it. Let somebody else try to be the #2 American wrestling company. Maybe no one will take TNA's place but they had their chance and they failed. Miserably, at that. I don't disagree with this, hell, TNA deserves to go out of business for all of their idiocy over the years, but I just don't think that it's a good look for any future promotions that will try to get on cable, when the worldwide leader is making crazy promises that they can't keep and the shareholders are all up their ass, and the #2 gets cancelled and goes out of business. Big picture wise it's definitely not good. All of that said, I'll continue with the TNA gallows humor until HHH starts shoveling dirt on the tape collection.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 27, 2014 21:16:07 GMT -5
AJ Styles Samoa Joe The Beautiful People Madison Rayne Christopher Daniels Bobby Roode James Storm Magnus Kazarian Bobby Roode EC3 I'd say TNA have done alright at producing their own stars, and just because a former WWE guy is the champion makes it a bad thing? Aren't former WWE guys who have been released allowed to seek employment else where now? Incredibly stupid mindset to have. Only a few issues with your list, TNA didn't make Joe, or Daniels ROH did. Kazarian isn't a TNA made talent either. The only one on your list I can think of TNA even made was Storm They were independent talents at the time, so technically they did, TNA was the biggest exposure they had bar a couple of appearances on jobber shows with WCW or the WWE.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jul 27, 2014 21:19:05 GMT -5
I mean...f*** TNA. Honestly, that's how I feel if they go out of business. 12 years of unrealized potential 12 years of making the same mistakes over and over and over again. 12 years of just not getting it. I'm tired of it. Let somebody else try to be the #2 American wrestling company. Maybe no one will take TNA's place but they had their chance and they failed. Miserably, at that. I don't disagree with this, hell, TNA deserves to go out of business for all of their idiocy over the years, but I just don't think that it's a good look for any future promotions that will try to get on cable, when the worldwide leader is making crazy promises that they can't keep and the shareholders are all up their ass, and the #2 gets cancelled and goes out of business. Big picture wise it's definitely not good. All of that said, I'll continue with the TNA gallows humor until HHH starts shoveling dirt on the tape collection. maybe ROH gets a bigger chance to shine
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Post by slappy on Jul 27, 2014 21:20:54 GMT -5
Doesn't the channel that airs ROH own them? So why would they let Spike air ROH?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:21:21 GMT -5
I mean...f*** TNA. Honestly, that's how I feel if they go out of business. 12 years of unrealized potential 12 years of making the same mistakes over and over and over again. 12 years of just not getting it. I'm tired of it. Let somebody else try to be the #2 American wrestling company. Maybe no one will take TNA's place but they had their chance and they failed. Miserably, at that. And the thing that really frosts my goddamn cookies wasn't that TNA was a decent company who just tried to find an identity but couldn't get anything to click before they ran out of money. If that were the case, I'd be a little choked up because shit be's that way sometimes. But no... This was a company that had the tools, had the identity, had the ****ing formula. LITERALLY all they had to do is spend more than a year riding out the divisions that set them apart from the WWE. What did they really have to lose? And they just ****ed it up again, and again, and again, and again. The company would've went under earlier if you didn't have people pumping money into the corpse to make it dance a jig to our horror/amusement. This is messed up for all those wrestlers there who busted their ass for the Carter Vanity Project and I really feel bad for Borash. Dude is probably going to start sacrificing friends and family to the Elder Wrestling Gods to keep this fed going, if he hasn't already. Other than that though? I agree, I ain't got shit left for TNA other than a rifftrack.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jul 27, 2014 21:21:36 GMT -5
I don't disagree with this, hell, TNA deserves to go out of business for all of their idiocy over the years, but I just don't think that it's a good look for any future promotions that will try to get on cable, when the worldwide leader is making crazy promises that they can't keep and the shareholders are all up their ass, and the #2 gets cancelled and goes out of business. Big picture wise it's definitely not good. All of that said, I'll continue with the TNA gallows humor until HHH starts shoveling dirt on the tape collection. maybe ROH gets a bigger chance to shine ROH can only get a bigger chance to shine if someone rich buys them from Sinclair.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 27, 2014 21:21:47 GMT -5
No they won't, ROH are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, which owns a number of networks in the States, ROH is on one of those networks and will be for as long as they are in existence, its like they have a TV deal for life you might say. Even if they were able to go to Spike, after this I don't think ROH would touch mainstream TV with a bargepole.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jul 27, 2014 21:26:48 GMT -5
I wonder if Panda Energy would consider selling the company. Obviously without a TV deal it doesn't have much value, but maybe Bischoff or some other big wheel could put a group together and buy it on the cheap and hunt for a TV deal under the guise of "new management".
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 27, 2014 21:28:53 GMT -5
You honestly think TNA can replace 90% of there roster and fans still tune in and care? You also act like TNA has such a good history at building there own talent when the best one they ever had left in AJ and there next best would be Roode and Joe who I know neither will move. When they are currently using WWECW talent as there main angle yeah lets talk about doing a hell of a job creating stars when there champion is again a former WWE guy. AJ Styles Samoa Joe The Beautiful People Madison Rayne Christopher Daniels Bobby Roode James Storm Magnus Kazarian Bobby Roode EC3 I'd say TNA have done alright at producing their own stars, and just because a former WWE guy is the champion makes it a bad thing? Aren't former WWE guys who have been released allowed to seek employment else where now? Incredibly stupid mindset to have. Ok, you say that but it took a big name player to help them get to that point. Now without those names who wouldn't move to the UK how do you expect to get them over and some of them on that list is pushing it to call them a star. Lets look at this list. AJ Styles: Gone. and how expect this man to take a pay cut is just silly. This guy became there biggest made star by beating top names. Proven Main Eventers. Samoa Joe: The most missed used guy in TNA history. Yes he was a star but he been booked worst than Kane when it came to horrible angles. The guy everyone wants to ME but the company ignores it. The BP: I give you that. For eye candy they are fine. Christopher Daniels: Gone. Had a million great matches with AJ and Joe. Had a great tag team with Kaz. Bobby Roode: I give you that. James Storm: At one time yes he was a star with Beer Money and maybe a couple months after that break up. How many care about him now? The guy has lost every feud since that week long title run. Magnus: You call him a star? The guy was the worst looking world champion in history. The fact he had not just one guy help him but several to win and retain all his title matches and now look at him. He not even close to the ME anymore. The fact his biggest claim to famous is being the poor man Randy Orton in what was a reenactment of a WWE storyline. Kazarian: See Daniels also gone. EC3: he coming into his own yes but the question is where doe he go without TV? Plus if TNA gone. He going to rework his gimmick again.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 27, 2014 21:30:26 GMT -5
Borash is a paid shill for the company, I'm not likely to take anything he says as gospel about anything. TNA relocating to Europe would be a massive gamble, there's no guarantee that this company even has the ability to replicate the success they had at their height. If it were, no wrestling company would go out of business.
And it's not like they weren't getting anything from the Spike deal. It's a significant revenue stream that'd just disappear, and I'd question if Challenge deal was structured to be able to sustain them if the Spike money went away.
That said, I do think they'd get another network, it'd just be on a much smaller scale. I would say a network like Esquire, but they're owned by NBC so that's probably a no-go, but someone would likely pick them up.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 27, 2014 21:32:21 GMT -5
Magnus he was TNA's hottest babyface before y'know they turned him heel, like WWE/Cesaro in stupidly turning one of your hottest talents with the crowd heel, and I know Kaz and Daniels are gone, Joe was their biggest star when he debuted, up until the point they decided to paint a penis on his head and pair him with Taz.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:32:59 GMT -5
maybe spike will replace tna with chikara that would be ok In the words of Quack, 'If we're on mainstream TV in America, we're f***ed as its WWE here thats it'. It's funny. I understand why Quack says this. He's got his thing and it works for him. A part of me agrees with him. Another part of me is just like "Why the hell not?" I think they present a product different enough from the WWE that they could get that spot. If the idea is to overtake the WWE that's probably not going to happen, but if the idea is to carve out that solid number 2 and build a fanbase of your own? Shit, I'd say something like CHIKARA (with a budget and some production) could totally make some waves.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 27, 2014 21:35:34 GMT -5
In the words of Quack, 'If we're on mainstream TV in America, we're f***ed as its WWE here thats it'. It's funny. I understand why Quack says this. He's got his thing and it works for him. A part of me agrees with him. Another part of me is just like "Why the hell not?" I think they present a product different enough from the WWE that they could get that spot. If the idea is to overtake the WWE that's probably not going to happen, but if the idea is to carve out that solid number 2 and build a fanbase of your own? Shit, I'd say something like CHIKARA (with a budget and some production) could totally make some waves. CHIKARA would be great for a network like Comedy Central or something along those lines, Spike is one of those networks that appeal to men etc. But Quack is REALLY reluctant when it comes to TV.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:39:18 GMT -5
In the words of Quack, 'If we're on mainstream TV in America, we're f***ed as its WWE here thats it'. It's funny. I understand why Quack says this. He's got his thing and it works for him. A part of me agrees with him. Another part of me is just like "Why the hell not?" I think they present a product different enough from the WWE that they could get that spot. If the idea is to overtake the WWE that's probably not going to happen, but if the idea is to carve out that solid number 2 and build a fanbase of your own? Shit, I'd say something like CHIKARA (with a budget and some production) could totally make some waves. Chikara is exactly the type of promotion that would be able to thrive as a #2, because it is so completely different than the WWE. It would never come close to overtaking them, but I think that something like that could carve out a strong niche. That is another thing that is so maddening about TNA, instead of being a solid alternative and then continuing to build their fanbase from there, they decide to blow everything up and take on the WWE. The Monday Night Slaughter was an unbelievably bad idea.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 27, 2014 21:41:27 GMT -5
I hear Fuscient Media Ventures is into purchasing wrestling companies.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 27, 2014 21:41:56 GMT -5
Magnus he was TNA's hottest babyface before y'know they turned him heel, like WWE/Cesaro in stupidly turning one of your hottest talents with the crowd heel, and I know Kaz and Daniels are gone, Joe was their biggest star when he debuted, up until the point they decided to paint a penis on his head and pair him with Taz. Yes and you think Mangus and Joe NOW have the same star power they did then? Mangus now it seem it like decades ago when he was MEing or a hot babyface. That's the problem TNA can't make a guy look like a star and keep him at that level. Joe was a killer which a lot of it much like Punk and Bryan. Because who they where in ROH. That why when all of them walked on WWE TV they where over off the bat.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jul 27, 2014 21:42:57 GMT -5
Wonder how stupid Bob and Janice feel now for turning down Toby Keith.
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