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Post by 4TheGlory on Jul 28, 2014 2:10:58 GMT -5
The PPV did gangbusters? It did well for its limited exposure, but with Spike TV exposure to promote TNA's PPVs, their numbers are higher. From what I read the ROH PPV did pretty much the same as TNA averages, which is very high considering ROH isn't on national TV and spent about 3 bucks on promoting the PPV. It was all word of mouth and it still did those numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 2:21:37 GMT -5
Yes, it did well for what it was, but it's not like it did better numbers than TNA to the extent that Spike TV will want to dump TNA in favor of ROH, as some seem to be hoping for in this thread so far.
On the subject of Sinclair wanting to run things dirt cheap, and how that doesn't work in wrestling, history shows that running things cheaply can work in wrestling. The biggest example of it working is Memphis. Jerry Jarrett was known for paying very, very little to talent, yet he ran a successful business for decades, simply because there were wrestlers who were willing to work for him, even though he was cheap. There are always wrestlers out there who will accept working for very little money, if it means getting TV exposure and building their name in the process. Just like guys would get experience working in Memphis, and use it as a stepping stone for making real money elsewhere later in their career, ROH can serve that same purpose in 2014. It has basically served as a talent breeding ground since they opened their doors.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 28, 2014 2:24:25 GMT -5
Pro Wrestling Guerrila and Juggalo Championship Wrestling are now the #2 and #3 promotions in the U.S.! {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I realize this probably isn't accurate, it's a joke, just go with it Wait, PWG is now legitimately the third most important fed in the US if TNA goes away. For real. If you don't count NXT as a fed. Because if you DO count it as a fed, then it's 1) WWE 2) NXT and 3) ROH, and however you look at it, that's WWE then their feeder league then the feeder league's feeder league. That's terrifying. The vertical integration of the wrestling business by WWE is absolutely terrifying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 2:31:47 GMT -5
I love PWG, but a company like CHIKARA runs more shows and draws bigger crowds (on average). CZW does as well. I do agree PWG's in ring product is better though.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 28, 2014 15:43:34 GMT -5
I love PWG, but a company like CHIKARA runs more shows and draws bigger crowds (on average). CZW does as well. I do agree PWG's in ring product is better though. Well, they're very different business models. Not just in terms of in-ring product, but in terms of marketing. One operates on the allure of being an event destination (PWG), one travels as an alternative-to-alternatives swooping up fanbases who otherwise wouldn't exist (Chikara) and one is a long-standing traditional touring wrestling promotion (CZW). They're all proven draws and substantial success stories, but given how different not only their distribution but business aims and desires are, it's really tough to compare and suggest which is more traditionally successful. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 28, 2014 17:24:22 GMT -5
Well if you believe what people who have left ROH say (meaning Cornette and Davey) Sinclair really does not give a damn about ROH and only bought it for cheap programming. They might not see it as a worthwhile investment anymore
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 28, 2014 17:29:37 GMT -5
It's really unfair to rank PWG just because it's so different than indies like CZW or EVOLVE. That's their appeal, it's pure dream match booking. They don't have to worry about maintaining any storylines or angles outside of "f*** the Young Bucks" to bring fans in. PWG also runs less shows than s lot of the bigger indies.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 28, 2014 17:37:21 GMT -5
Pretty much. Wouldn't surprise me if Sinclair got in and got out after filling up some content on their airwaves and making a few bucks. Wrestling historically has been used to get networks going and then dropped once they have footing. Makes sense to sell now. Dixie buying ROH and bringing in Russo scares me tho. ROH on Spike might be possible, but not with the reasons TNA lost it's slot |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 28, 2014 20:06:42 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. But something I do wonder: if ROH where purchased by a well heeled backer, what becomes of SHIMMER?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 28, 2014 20:09:14 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. But something I do wonder: if ROH where purchased by a well heeled backer, what becomes of SHIMMER? Considering there has been no interaction between Shimmer and ROH in years as well as Shimmer being a completely separate entity, I'd say Shimmer stays right where it is. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 28, 2014 20:12:57 GMT -5
I'll believe it when I see it. But something I do wonder: if ROH where purchased by a well heeled backer, what becomes of SHIMMER? Considering there has been no interaction between Shimmer and ROH in years as well as Shimmer being a completely separate entity, I'd say Shimmer stays right where it is. Too bad. At one time they were so interconnected it would have seemed pointless to have one without the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 20:27:26 GMT -5
ROH has gone through some rough patches in recent years. I really feel like they are back on the right path, so I hope for nothing but the best for them.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 30, 2014 7:53:07 GMT -5
I would laugh my backside off if ROH was bought by a consortium including Jeff Jarrett as you know he'd hire Vince Russo the moment he became available.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 10:00:26 GMT -5
Wrestling is full of stupidity, so it would not surprise me one bit.
One thing I found interesting on the last Dave Meltzer podcast was that he said he knows Spike has had talks with two other wrestling promotions within the past week or so for potentially taking over the slot, and he basically said Jarrett's group was not one of them.
The first two that come to mind as possibilities are ROH and Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. They're the only real televised wrestling products currently producing regular weekly content. I doubt OVW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 11:04:49 GMT -5
I hope todd sinclair doesnt spend all the money on twinkies He's a Sinclair. Hostess needs them. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 30, 2014 11:10:09 GMT -5
Wrestling is full of stupidity, so it would not surprise me one bit. One thing I found interesting on the last Dave Meltzer podcast was that he said he knows Spike has had talks with two other wrestling promotions within the past week or so for potentially taking over the slot, and he basically said Jarrett's group was not one of them. The first two that come to mind as possibilities are ROH and Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. They're the only real televised wrestling products currently producing regular weekly content. I doubt OVW. well, unless ROH is sold I don't know if they'd get it as they are owned by a TV company. Just throwing a few possibilities out there... Championship Wrestling from Hollywood Wrestling Cares CZW (Only because I know DJ really wants TV, and they've done business with Viacom in the past_ Gabe (since he owns like 4 promotions) Beyond Wrestling AIW NYWC Rockstar Pro Hoodslam I can't see Spike being interested in CHIKARA or Quack being interested in Spike. PWG would be out because of ROH contracts and because Dragon/Excalibur aren't interested in expanding. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 30, 2014 11:11:48 GMT -5
Wrestling is full of stupidity, so it would not surprise me one bit. One thing I found interesting on the last Dave Meltzer podcast was that he said he knows Spike has had talks with two other wrestling promotions within the past week or so for potentially taking over the slot, and he basically said Jarrett's group was not one of them. The first two that come to mind as possibilities are ROH and Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. They're the only real televised wrestling products currently producing regular weekly content. I doubt OVW. well, unless ROH is sold I don't know if they'd get it as they are owned by a TV company. Just throwing a few possibilities out there... Championship Wrestling from Hollywood Wrestling Cares CZW (Only because I know DJ really wants TV, and they've done business with Viacom in the past_ Gabe (since he owns like 4 promotions) Beyond Wrestling AIW NYWC Rockstar Pro Hoodslam I can't see Spike being interested in CHIKARA or Quack being interested in Spike. PWG would be out because of ROH contracts and because Dragon/Excalibur aren't interested in expanding. What about 5DW? What about Freight Train? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 11:42:31 GMT -5
Wrestling is full of stupidity, so it would not surprise me one bit. One thing I found interesting on the last Dave Meltzer podcast was that he said he knows Spike has had talks with two other wrestling promotions within the past week or so for potentially taking over the slot, and he basically said Jarrett's group was not one of them. The first two that come to mind as possibilities are ROH and Championship Wrestling From Hollywood. They're the only real televised wrestling products currently producing regular weekly content. I doubt OVW. well, unless ROH is sold I don't know if they'd get it as they are owned by a TV company. Just throwing a few possibilities out there... Championship Wrestling from Hollywood Wrestling Cares CZW (Only because I know DJ really wants TV, and they've done business with Viacom in the past_ Gabe (since he owns like 4 promotions) Beyond Wrestling AIW NYWC Rockstar Pro Hoodslam I can't see Spike being interested in CHIKARA or Quack being interested in Spike. PWG would be out because of ROH contracts and because Dragon/Excalibur aren't interested in expanding. No way Hoodslam gets it. WAY too much copyright infringement going on there. They'd never make it past standards and practices. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 30, 2014 11:49:27 GMT -5
Okay other than JR running his mouth and people talking about it because of that, has there been any actual news to lend credibility to this?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 30, 2014 12:08:06 GMT -5
well, unless ROH is sold I don't know if they'd get it as they are owned by a TV company. Just throwing a few possibilities out there... Championship Wrestling from Hollywood Wrestling Cares CZW (Only because I know DJ really wants TV, and they've done business with Viacom in the past_ Gabe (since he owns like 4 promotions) Beyond Wrestling AIW NYWC Rockstar Pro Hoodslam I can't see Spike being interested in CHIKARA or Quack being interested in Spike. PWG would be out because of ROH contracts and because Dragon/Excalibur aren't interested in expanding. What about 5DW? What about Freight Train? Doubtful, too many peole aren't on board with $5 Wrestling. Just threw them out there because they are different from anything else really out there. But again, these are companies that have decent followings, unique looks, rosters with wrestlers who are promotable, and established events you could use. If a company like CZW says we'll give you a weekly show with a little bit of everything, and we can bring in international talent that hasn't been seen in any other American promotion, it might be appealing to Spike. |
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