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Post by joeiscool on Jul 29, 2014 12:04:49 GMT -5
I think 2 of the biggest issues were
1:Advertisement.
2. creative. They would anyways switch booking styles every 4 months. Ifthey just kept one style consistently they would have been so much better.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2014 12:17:09 GMT -5
...And hot shotting of titles! my god, RVD title run, where they hand the belt to him, and he drops it via being murdered for he didnt want to job and they needed to renegotiate his per match agreement, only for him to return 3 weeks later! Indeed, the reign of the indestructible old guys. RVD & Booker T being two of the most blatant examples. Remember in mid-2010 when RVD said he and Jeff Hardy were 'bigger than the company' or when Booker T, after being booked as a top star for ninety percent of his TNA run, flatly refused to put over Matt Morgan? Such shoot behavior would never be tolerated in the E, ROH, the old ECW or any company with any self respect.
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2014 12:18:26 GMT -5
oh, didnt Bischoff hired some minor bit player from the TWILIGHT films, Booboo Stewart or something, to writer articles on thier site? he sure did
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 13:21:58 GMT -5
Giving the keys of the TNA empire to Hulk Hogan & Eric Bischoff Letting Dixie Carter become a fixture onTV Brining in Hogan's friends & family to TNA The very name of the company Sting vs Jeff Harvey at Victory Road 2011 Having Impact compete with RAW on Monday nights when it isn't ready to challenge WWE quite yet The constant jabs at WWE (I swear when TNA does this, they act like a scorned & angry ex) I agree with everything except Victory Road, Sting never in his life has faced anyone by the name Jeff Harvey
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Post by Woo on Jul 29, 2014 13:38:50 GMT -5
Jeff Harvey? I didn't mind Foley's title reign. He was hilarious in the role as desperate champion and his feud with Sting was pretty awesome.
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Post by Freddy BooJangles on Jul 29, 2014 13:58:39 GMT -5
I meant Jeff Hardy nut blame Mike Adamle for that name.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jul 29, 2014 13:58:52 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan's original contract expired in October 2011. Imagine if TNA had not re-signed him to a contract.
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Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Jul 29, 2014 14:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by kevin on Jul 29, 2014 15:49:13 GMT -5
I made a thread about it before how bad Gut Check was I do not even think it was a bad idea just that they executed it in about the worst way possible.
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Post by weaselboy on Jul 29, 2014 16:06:51 GMT -5
How not to debut a wrestler 101
1-Take an established star disillusioned with the WWE and have him make a shock entrance through the crowd after months of speculation. 2-Capitalise on the fever pitch crowd by having him interrupt Sting, possibly teasing a "The one you never thought you'd see" match for a future pay per view 3-To the tune of a big barrel of cash burning, instantly give the match away for free, before anyone has even said anything 4-Have the match between two legends of the ring last for about 2 mins tops. Have your new star beat a former world champion with one move that isn't even his finisher. 5-Okay so at least you've made your new signing look strong by beating a top star in under two minutes, now negate all that by having Sting beat him to a post-match pulp with a baseball bat. 6-Sting is armed with a baseball bat and is beating down your big new signing. Instead of sending the entire locker-room or all of security to stop Sting, have the 82 year-old Hulk Hogan slowly walk down to the ring armed with only a stern finger wag 7-Sting heads for the hills, despite being armed with a baseball bat. Hulk checks on your big new star (still lying on the canvas) like a concerned dad who's toddler has just fallen off the swing.
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Post by BigAl on Jul 29, 2014 17:35:40 GMT -5
and what Hogan and Bischoff did to the KO division, got rid of Hamada, Kong, made Sarita and Wilde and Melissa want to leave, and it became TBP show week after week ad nauseum! and love winning the belt via the lockbox! Then hotshotting the KO belt , like Winter winning it twice, only to drop the belt twice in her first defence, and during her reign, the focus was not on her nor Mickie, but return of Velvet!
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jul 29, 2014 17:59:34 GMT -5
TNA is a bittersweet subject for me. I discovered them on New Years Eve 2005, and was blown away with how fresh and different it felt from the WWE. I loved Christian, Monty Brown, AJ, and Joe. That's what I think their number one mistake was, which was not continuing with their own identity, and becoming a WWE rip-off.
Here's my top 10 things they did wrong though, for list's sake:
1) Not continuing with their identity 2) Russo. All of him 3) Not having Samoa Joe dethrone Jarrett at BFG 2006 4) Not building up Joe/Angle 5) The constant hiring of WWE rejects 6) Rolling with the Main Event Mafia storyline, and NOT having the Frontline achieve total victory in the end. TNA never finishes their company take over angles 7) Bringing Hogan and Bischoff, which umbrellas the Monday Night Massacre and the taking of Impact on the road 8) Victory Road 2011 9) Not having a guy who could be described as THEIR guy. They had a chance with AJ and Joe, (Aries too) and they failed on both accounts 10) Letting their overwhelming potential- having new faces, and INCREDIBLY exciting X-Division that was all their own, and having a constant stream of talented workers- all go to waste with bad angles, bad ideas, and just bad decisions. TNA could have been a legitimate number 2, but they now have so much ill will against them from 12 years of bad decisions that fans like me will never trust them again. Which is a damn shame.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 29, 2014 18:21:25 GMT -5
Too many to list here, but I agree with people who defend certain things.
Russo may be many things, but TNA was fun to watch in the pre Hogan days with him around, he came up with some dumb shit, but also some fun stuff as well.
As someone who frequented the Impact Zone a fair amount in the 00's, I can confirm that the fun was sucked out of the place once 2010 came around, it was a great atmosphere and they screwed it up.
I really don't get where people think Nash was a major problem, he wasn't running roughshod over everyone or anything, and I still maintain he really tried to help with the X Division stuff, it just didn't work out like they hoped.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 29, 2014 21:10:10 GMT -5
How could I forget: They built Roode like a f***ing Boss, a top babyface after he wins the BFG series in 2011...only to lose in 3 minutes to Kurt Angle without any explanations at their biggest show of the year.
I mean they were interviewing people that were entering the arena for this and most of them were saying the match they wanted to see was Angle vs Roode. And the majority of them wanted Roode to win. There was electricity in the air.
I bet the whole thing destroyed a huge chunk of TNA's fanbase. But what I'm sure of it's that it probably killed their PPV market altogether. How can you trust these guys by spending money after that?
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Post by Celgress on Jul 29, 2014 21:21:59 GMT -5
How could I forget: They built Roode like a f***ing Boss, a top babyface after he wins the BFG series in 2011...only to lose in 3 minutes to Kurt Angle without any explanations at their biggest show of the year.... Great point, TNA imo NEVER recovered their lost momentum following the utter debacle which was the finish to BFG 2011. They came close at times, such as AA's rise and the early A&8's, but they never reached that level of mainstream interest again. People had been burned too many times by TNA booking. The vast majority of fans lost their last ounce of trust in the company.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 29, 2014 21:30:42 GMT -5
How could I forget: They built Roode like a f***ing Boss, a top babyface after he wins the BFG series in 2011...only to lose in 3 minutes to Kurt Angle without any explanations at their biggest show of the year.... Great point, TNA imo NEVER recovered their lost momentum following the utter debacle which was the finish to BFG 2011. They came close at times, such as AA's rise and the early A&8's, but they never reached that level of mainstream interest again. People had been burned too many times by TNA booking. The vast majority of fans lost their last ounce of trust in the company. I made a big deal about this when this happened because I KNEW what they had done was unforgivable. It was the ultimate betrayal and yea like you said, after having been burned too many times, that was it for most people. WWE would never had done this to a young promising talent. It's like you build Randy Orton as a Top guy and then on the biggest show of the year, he's treated like Sandow. It's almost as if Hogan and Bischoff butchered Roode on purpose. If anybody would say that they were sent by somebody to do this, that wouldn't be far-fetched.
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Post by wwotbh on Jul 30, 2014 3:27:50 GMT -5
If they go down now, and this has basically been repeated over and over here, they'll be remembered as the company who just couldn't have sustained faith in their own people and their own star-making power. Anyone who wasn't/isn't an ex-whatever name inevitably gets the pat on the head as if to say "Oh that's nice dear, you had a very cute match. Now let's bring out the REAL stars."
Also the Knockouts in general. "Our fanbase is showing genuine enthusiasm for all the focus we're putting on highly skilled female workers being treated as legitimate athletes? We might really be on to something here. Just kidding!"
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 30, 2014 4:04:21 GMT -5
Jeff Harvey? I didn't mind Foley's title reign. He was hilarious in the role as desperate champion and his feud with Sting was pretty awesome. I loved his title reign too, but I'm a Foley mark. The matches largely sucked but I loved the promos. Remember that YouTube clip of him carrying the title everywhere, including wearing it over his shoulder when he walked through a metal detector?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 30, 2014 7:30:47 GMT -5
I would like to know how Dixie makes decisions, like who moves her strings?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 7:58:21 GMT -5
WHO IS THE THIRD MAN TOP GUY?!? Who is your star, the fortress, the Franchise of TNA? Kurt? Sting? Hogan? Joe? AJ? Do you understand how frustrating it is when your main championship gets passed around just so everybody gets a chance to wear it? Is Austin Aries really THE GUY? Eric Young?
WHO DO I CHEER FOR? Sheesh, you need a scorecard to find out what side people are on from month to month.
HEEL FACTIONS: All had the same goals (win all the belts, which most did) and all had the same ending; they just sort of fizzled away. No retribution for the good guys, no real defining moments to bask in the glow of taking down this hated group of interlopers.
ABYSS went from dark and dangerous to ending up in a psych ward. I believed in the Abyss character, and I saw the seeds of him turning face. So they attack him, put him in a straightjacket, and turn him into a hardcore Norman The Lunatic.
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Some things they finally figured out: Having a defined PPV where everything comes to a head (Bound For Glory, although it should have been titled "Emerging star you really love and want to succeed turns heel at end"), Knockouts draw ratings (but they screwed that up), leaving the Impact Zone (but came back), letting high-contracts go and (gasp) build new talent from the ground up.
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