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Post by willyjakes on Aug 1, 2014 8:20:05 GMT -5
I will always forever hate them for not booking Bret Hart vs Randy Savage at Wrestlemania 9, such a squandered opportunity. Ok fair enough Vince seemed soured on Savage in 1992 or whatever, but it was the natural progression much like Hogan vs Warrior before it. Would it have been as big? No. Because wrestling had peaked and faded, but a passing of the torch moment with those too and giving Savage one last main event Mania match was what they should have done. On top of that they could have added the star power of the returning Hulk Hogan as Special Guest Referee instead of a throwaway tag team match. Of course you would have Savage turn tweener heel temporarily for storyline purposes as someone has already said he could switch easily. Bring up the history between him and Hogan etc, back then they didnt need much material to work with as TV time was different, it could be a pretty simple set up with lots of promo work. You get the passing of the torch moment and you set up Bret vs Hogan for the summer. That would've been fine...but I don't think Hogan would ever agree to job to Bret in 1993.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 1, 2014 8:32:10 GMT -5
Not only that, but you'd have to be careful with Bret; he had really grown by leaps and bounds in popularity starting around 1990, definitely, but having him face both Hogan and Savage in his very first title run might've risked turning the crowd against him, potentially seeing him as a usurper trying to overthrow the two old lions everyone had grown up idolizing (of course, those "old men" were just about the same age as Bret, but that's neither here nor there, TV age =/= real age).
Still, again, Vince really blew his chance to give the New Generation a good start by not having a clear torch passing moment.
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 1, 2014 9:35:47 GMT -5
Well yeah true, It wouldnt have gone that far as Hogan would have gotten out and thats where they could have switched it with a heel Luger who would have been built up.
In fact, it would have made sense to do Bret/Luger and Hogan/Yokozuna at Summerslam with a Bret/Hogan vs Yoko/Luger KOTR main event. That way Hogan doesnt need to job to Bret but still features heavily. You would probably have a similar situation to Summerslam 1990 where Hogan's angle steals the lime light but you cant win 'em all. Hogan was never going to be play by the rules no matter how you play it.
With a realistic roster of the time period. Wrestlemania: - Bret vs Savage (Hogan Referee) - Luger vs Perfect - Tatanka vs Michaels - Undertaker vs Razor - Money Inc vs Nasty Boys - Crush vs Doink - Owen Hart & Steiners vs Bam Bam & Headshrinkers - Yokozuna vs Hacksaw
Summerslam: - Bret vs Luger - Hogan vs Yokozuna - Michaels vs Perfect - Money Inc vs Steiners - Ramon vs 123 Kid - Bam Bam & Luna vs Tatanka & Sherri - Undertaker vs Doink - Headshrinkers vs Smoking Gunns
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 1, 2014 9:43:36 GMT -5
The funny thing is that Bret, I believe, was actually supposed to originally beat Yoko at Wrestlemania and then segue into a SummerSlam feud with Luger (since Luger attacked Bret at the WM 9 press conference). Obviously Hogan's return and the constant back and forth he and Vince wound up having changed everything.
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Post by TGM on Aug 1, 2014 11:02:01 GMT -5
It was the first ever Royal Rumble I remember seeing as a kid. By today's standards it's awful, but as a kid, I never ever thought Yokozuna could ever lose a match after this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:02:38 GMT -5
I will always forever hate them for not booking Bret Hart vs Randy Savage at Wrestlemania 9, such a squandered opportunity. Ok fair enough Vince seemed soured on Savage in 1992 or whatever, but it was the natural progression much like Hogan vs Warrior before it. Would it have been as big? No. Because wrestling had peaked and faded, but a passing of the torch moment with those too and giving Savage one last main event Mania match was what they should have done. On top of that they could have added the star power of the returning Hulk Hogan as Special Guest Referee instead of a throwaway tag team match. Of course you would have Savage turn tweener heel temporarily for storyline purposes as someone has already said he could switch easily. Bring up the history between him and Hogan etc, back then they didnt need much material to work with as TV time was different, it could be a pretty simple set up with lots of promo work. You get the passing of the torch moment and you set up Bret vs Hogan for the summer. That would've been fine...but I don't think Hogan would ever agree to job to Bret in 1993. Vince probably thought he would. But based on that vicious WWF Magazine article back in the summer of 1993 which accompanied Hogan's departure from the company, which flat out said that Hogan ducked Hart for months, Vince realized late in the process that he really wouldn't do the job and - in typical McMahon fashion - sought to get his revenge smearing Hogan's character than putting a better plan (like, setting Randy up to be the guy to pass the torch) into motion.
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Post by willyjakes on Aug 1, 2014 13:40:09 GMT -5
That would've been fine...but I don't think Hogan would ever agree to job to Bret in 1993. Vince probably thought he would. But based on that vicious WWF Magazine article back in the summer of 1993 which accompanied Hogan's departure from the company, which flat out said that Hogan ducked Hart for months, Vince realized late in the process that he really wouldn't do the job and - in typical McMahon fashion - sought to get his revenge smearing Hogan's character than putting a better plan (like, setting Randy up to be the guy to pass the torch) into motion. I do remember that, and they would bring up how much weight Hogan had lost...basically even into the run up to the Yoko match at KOTR 93, they were trying to make Hogan look weak.
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 2, 2014 10:00:58 GMT -5
I wonder why Hogan didnt kick up a stink about jobbing to Yoko if they clearly were burying him.
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Post by willyjakes on Aug 2, 2014 10:43:11 GMT -5
I wonder why Hogan didnt kick up a stink about jobbing to Yoko if they clearly were burying him. I have a theory that WCW was already in contact with him by then and had promised big $ when his WWF contract expired...so perhaps he knew there was a fresh pot of gold at the end of the tunnel and just flat out didn't care anymore Plus it was a screwjob ending to the Yoko match, not like he went out a clean loser, so that probably placated his ego a bit.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 2, 2014 10:56:44 GMT -5
The whole event saw its share of changes and the previous PPV did, as well. One of the WWF Magazines advertised a mock rumble ad with Warrior and Bulldog who were gone by Survivor Series. The next ad had Mr. Perfect, reflecting the newest big face. Nailz was original slated as a participant. Bossman and Bigelow as well as opposed to the singles match. Terry Taylor and Max Moon were pictured in the magazine as scheduled for a singles match. Duggan, Kamala and Crush were slated participants too. Royal Rumble, for the first few years, at least, was always a PPV with a lot of changes due to so many wrestlers scheduled. A number of changes occur around event time and after the event some wrestlers leave or are let go. 1992 definitely had a better roster but most of the lower guys were gone shortly after. 1993 was no different. From like 93-95 WWE should have had more people pulling double duty at the Rumble 93- Michaels, Jannetty, Bossman, Bigelow. Maybe even Razor with him attacking someone to take his spot since he lost in the title match 94- Razor and IRS since they did this with other guys 95- Jarret, Razor, Taker, IRS, Holly, 1-2-3 Kid, Tatanka, Bigelow, Bret. It would have been a totally different match
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Post by mrjl on Aug 2, 2014 11:00:19 GMT -5
I wonder why Hogan didnt kick up a stink about jobbing to Yoko if they clearly were burying him. cause they could strip the title from him leave him at home and bury him that way
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Post by mrjl on Aug 2, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -5
I think it would have been hard to buy a torch passing between Hart and the Rock & Wrestling era.
Bret didn't have a pinfall finisher and a submission win wouldn't have been believable from Hogan or Savage, and rollups do not pass the torch
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Post by WesternSloth on Aug 2, 2014 13:59:27 GMT -5
It's a poor Rumble, but I find myself watching it when I feel in the mood for my Rumble boxset simply because I love the timeline, and seeing some of the characters of the time.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 3, 2014 3:19:47 GMT -5
I think it would have been hard to buy a torch passing between Hart and the Rock & Wrestling era. Bret didn't have a pinfall finisher and a submission win wouldn't have been believable from Hogan or Savage, and rollups do not pass the torch Bret submitted Savage with the sharpshooter in Japan in mid 1994 clean as a sheet.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 3, 2014 5:31:37 GMT -5
That's possible, but at least give him a 6 month farewell, putting over the new generation and using his name to boost the company, then ending at Summerslam with a big win to celebrate his career. Ric Flair was long past it when they give him a retirement angle but they did something fitting that drew. you can celebrate you career and all...but you go out on your back... Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that what Flair did at Wrestlemania 24?
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 3, 2014 5:51:09 GMT -5
I think it would have been hard to buy a torch passing between Hart and the Rock & Wrestling era. Bret didn't have a pinfall finisher and a submission win wouldn't have been believable from Hogan or Savage, and rollups do not pass the torch Bret submitted Savage with the sharpshooter in Japan in mid 1994 clean as a sheet. That, and I could swear Bret had pinned guys after piledrivers before, anyway, so it isn't like he didn't have it as a fallback if Hogan didn't want to tap.
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Post by WesternSloth on Aug 3, 2014 9:55:14 GMT -5
I don't think Bret ever pinned anybody with a piledriver outside of Stampede. That's the only time I can recall such.
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Post by willyjakes on Aug 3, 2014 17:05:47 GMT -5
you can celebrate you career and all...but you go out on your back... Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that what Flair did at Wrestlemania 24? Except...he didn't go out.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 3, 2014 17:47:07 GMT -5
I don't think Bret ever pinned anybody with a piledriver outside of Stampede. That's the only time I can recall such. I think he used it in his initial 1988 singles push a couple of times since he hadn't found the Sharpshooter yet.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 3, 2014 18:29:21 GMT -5
I don't think Bret ever pinned anybody with a piledriver outside of Stampede. That's the only time I can recall such. I think he used it in his initial 1988 singles push a couple of times since he hadn't found the Sharpshooter yet. I remember him mentioning getting yelled at because that was Orndorff's finish. But I suppose he could have brought it back.
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