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Post by hisinsanity on Jul 30, 2014 19:55:20 GMT -5
I've been a fan of Dusty's for a long time. Read countless books on wrestling, but I've never been able to find anything concrete on Vince and Dusty's supposedly tumultuous relationship.
Did they have legit heat for some reason? Why was Dusty used in an embarrassing role during his late '80's run with the WWF?
What's the deal? I'm looking for some solid information.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 30, 2014 20:10:10 GMT -5
I'm not real sure there was anything really tumultuous to their relationship. Vince and Dusty worked together before the 1980s, when Dusty was headlining MSG in 1977. The big thing is, and where any separation comes into play is their mindsets. Vince was, is and always will be a control freak. On the other coin, Dusty wanted more than anything to be the guy calling the shots. He could do that in JCP/WCW at different times. He couldn't in WWF, because he'd still have to answer to Vince. So that more than anything is what kept them separate. Sure, they took a few jabs at one another (Virgil, Randy Hogan), but that always felt more out of competitive competition than anything.
To believe Dusty, and I see no reason not to, most of the "embarrassing" stuff in the WWF were his own ideas. He wanted one more big run, his days were numbered and he came to WWF to do it. He knew Vince wouldn't give him creative or booking control over everything, and he knew he had no chance of taking the spotlight away from Hogan and Warrior, so he decided to have a little fun at the "circus." Hell, some of what we saw was actually toned-down from what Dusty was suggesting (Sapphire originally being pitched as a hooker, for instance). He came in, got a solid higher-midcard push and did what the vets at the end of their careers were expected to do by putting over people (DiBiase, Savage). Far as I know, he left on good terms (and even got his son a spot on the roster for a while beforehand) and went back to doing what he wanted to be doing: Being one of the guys in charge. When the time came for Dusty's recurring nostalgia act to show up, neither side showed resistance and it's been fairly good for both sides since, even weathering the occasional Goldust firings.
On top of everything else, WWF and Vince were high enough on him that he got something in his theme song that every song needs and all the others lacked: More cowbell. That right there says something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 20:13:51 GMT -5
Purely physical
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Post by hisinsanity on Jul 30, 2014 20:34:57 GMT -5
I'm not real sure there was anything really tumultuous to their relationship. Vince and Dusty worked together before the 1980s, when Dusty was headlining MSG in 1977. The big thing is, and where any separation comes into play is their mindsets. Vince was, is and always will be a control freak. On the other coin, Dusty wanted more than anything to be the guy calling the shots. He could do that in JCP/WCW at different times. He couldn't in WWF, because he'd still have to answer to Vince. So that more than anything is what kept them separate. Sure, they took a few jabs at one another (Virgil, Randy Hogan), but that always felt more out of competitive competition than anything. To believe Dusty, and I see no reason not to, most of the "embarrassing" stuff in the WWF were his own ideas. He wanted one more big run, his days were numbered and he came to WWF to do it. He knew Vince wouldn't give him creative or booking control over everything, and he knew he had no chance of taking the spotlight away from Hogan and Warrior, so he decided to have a little fun at the "circus." Hell, some of what we saw was actually toned-down from what Dusty was suggesting (Sapphire originally being pitched as a hooker, for instance). He came in, got a solid higher-midcard push and did what the vets at the end of their careers were expected to do by putting over people (DiBiase, Savage). Far as I know, he left on good terms (and even got his son a spot on the roster for a while beforehand) and went back to doing what he wanted to be doing: Being one of the guys in charge. When the time came for Dusty's recurring nostalgia act to show up, neither side showed resistance and it's been fairly good for both sides since, even weathering the occasional Goldust firings. On top of everything else, WWF and Vince were high enough on him that he got something in his theme song that every song needs and all the others lacked: More cowbell. That right there says something. Thanks Madison. I read somewhere years back that there was always heat between Vince and Dusty over the territory raids that Vince did in the early to mid '80's. It doesn't surprise me that creative had to tone down Dusty's ideas, lol. Didn't he get fired by Jim Herd for sticking his eye with an ice pick in a match with Ric Flair or something? Ha ha ha ha
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 30, 2014 21:15:44 GMT -5
This reminds me of the story Steve Corino told about having a sex dream with Dusty. Corino woke up only to find that the person on the bed next to him was the Dream, who just told him "Hey kid, time to wake up, if you weeeelll" The next day he told the story to Tommy Dreamer who went right to Dusty and told him. Rhodes went to Corino and said. "Kid you're gonna work with the American Dream in Philadelphia, a town I made famous, you're gonna get over, what's this shit about having gay dreams about me?"
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 30, 2014 23:36:27 GMT -5
I never understood why people say Dusty's role was embarrassing simply because he wore polka dots and danced with an older black woman. He was still given a push and was the clear winner of 2 of the 3 feuds he had while in the company. Bossman never really got one over on Dusty and neither did Savage. DiBiase was really the only one who really got to Dusty. if he had come in and had a stint similar to Dick Slater then it would be another story.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jul 31, 2014 15:31:53 GMT -5
I never understood why people say Dusty's role was embarrassing simply because he wore polka dots and danced with an older black woman. He was still given a push and was the clear winner of 2 of the 3 feuds he had while in the company. Bossman never really got one over on Dusty and neither did Savage. DiBiase was really the only one who really got to Dusty. if he had come in and had a stint similar to Dick Slater then it would be another story. Savage won the blowoff match at Summerslam in a pretty one-sided match.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jul 31, 2014 16:46:25 GMT -5
People like to make it seem like Dusty was given a gimmick like the Green Gator, and teamed with the Red Rooster...putting over the likes of Koko B Ware, Paul Roma, and Zeus. That is not the case. A guy was over somewhere else and well beyond his prime was given a decent run (and presumed payday) in a few uppercard feuds with established, main event heels.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 31, 2014 17:36:28 GMT -5
I never understood why people say Dusty's role was embarrassing simply because he wore polka dots and danced with an older black woman. He was still given a push and was the clear winner of 2 of the 3 feuds he had while in the company. Bossman never really got one over on Dusty and neither did Savage. DiBiase was really the only one who really got to Dusty. if he had come in and had a stint similar to Dick Slater then it would be another story. Savage won the blowoff match at Summerslam in a pretty one-sided match. only because of Dibiase and in the end he wasn't even paying attention to Savage
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 31, 2014 22:07:41 GMT -5
I never understood why people say Dusty's role was embarrassing simply because he wore polka dots and danced with an older black woman. He was still given a push and was the clear winner of 2 of the 3 feuds he had while in the company. Bossman never really got one over on Dusty and neither did Savage. DiBiase was really the only one who really got to Dusty. if he had come in and had a stint similar to Dick Slater then it would be another story. Savage won the blowoff match at Summerslam in a pretty one-sided match. you can blame DiBiase for that. Dusty had been kicking Randy's ass for almost 8 months at that point.
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Post by willyjakes on Jul 31, 2014 22:19:57 GMT -5
Does anybody remember those vignette's they ran when Dusty was first entering the WWF? One he was a plumber coming to fix some lady's toilet...and the WWF camera legit zoomed in on a toilet that looked to be just filled with brown feces?
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 1, 2014 13:01:13 GMT -5
I never understood why people say Dusty's role was embarrassing simply because he wore polka dots and danced with an older black woman. He was still given a push and was the clear winner of 2 of the 3 feuds he had while in the company. Bossman never really got one over on Dusty and neither did Savage. DiBiase was really the only one who really got to Dusty. if he had come in and had a stint similar to Dick Slater then it would be another story. Savage won the blowoff match at Summerslam in a pretty one-sided match. They wrestled on that October's episode of Saturday Night Main Event, which was Dustin's first appearance on a WWE TV show long before Goldust was a gleam in anyone's eye.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 1, 2014 14:10:12 GMT -5
Every attempt to embarass Dusty Rhodes has always ended up being a good gimmick
"Virgil" gave Mike Jones a seven year career in the WWF.
Polka Dot/Common Man/Dancing Dusty Rhodes was over like crazy, and Goldust is one of my all-time favourite gimmicks
I suspect Stardust is another one of those cases, and I love that gimmick too.
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Post by steamboat1 on Aug 2, 2014 0:36:48 GMT -5
I recall they discussed this on an episode of Legends Roundtable. Dusty said in 1988 he got fired from being booker in NWA after the spike/blade incident with the Road Warriors. He called Vince up and asked if he had a spot for him and Vince said yeah. They then laid out all the blueprints for the vignettes. On the first day of taping them, Vince said to Dusty, "Look, you don't have to worry about running the booking or somebody pulling the rug out from under you. Just have fun and be Dusty Rhodes." Dusty took it from there and said he had a blast. The only reason he left was so he could go back to running the book in WCW in 1991.
As for the polka dots, apparently it was Patterson and Dusty seeing how far they could go before Vince said that it was too ridiculous. Vince thought it was hilarious and made him keep the polka dots.
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Post by WesternSloth on Aug 3, 2014 14:07:02 GMT -5
I heard it was sexual in 1990, leading to.Vince buying up all the Dusty Hasbros as sex toys, which is why the market value for the figure was so high.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Aug 3, 2014 15:13:34 GMT -5
I heard it was sexual in 1990, leading to.Vince buying up all the Dusty Hasbros as sex toys, which is why the market value for the figure was so high.
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