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Post by Ash Kingston on Aug 26, 2014 6:40:56 GMT -5
I'm more disturbed and depressed to realize that Cena has been the champion fifteen times, and he damn well might be a sixteen time champion by this time next month.
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Post by Adam Black on Aug 26, 2014 6:56:39 GMT -5
Brock murders him again making Bray look even weaker.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 26, 2014 7:13:41 GMT -5
This is what happens when you absolutely refuse to allow a character to show any sign of development, specifically showing weakness.
Every hero vs villain story includes a point where the hero hits rock bottom, learns from the experience, and comes back stronger.
WWE and Cena himself won't allow the Cena character to go through that phase.
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Post by lookout on Aug 26, 2014 7:30:58 GMT -5
I'm done with Cena. I can't keep watching them push the reset button to make him invincible. Every single time there's an opportunity to take the character into new places, add some depth to him, make him human... Nope. I am too. I just want Cena off my TV. He probably will win at Night of Champions, because who cares about long term booking when Cena is still involved? WWE sure doesn't. He'll be on the top until his body gives out, maybe even past that. He won't go away. In five years we'll probably still be getting Cena vs. Big Show and can he lift someone that big?!? and Cena vs. Kane and oooh look how scary Kane is this time! It may sound like something a pretentious high schooler that just read the book would say (I'm just a mere pretentious college student), but WWE's current state (in addition to its treatment of its fans) reminds me of 1984. The sneaker clad foot of John Cena has been stomping on the proverbial face of the audience that hates him for a very long time, in a desperate attempt to blot them out or bore them enough to leave. Pretty much what went through my head last night...thinking we will be tortured by the same old cena until he officially retires. What bothers me though is how much of a pass cena always gets for this shitty booking and running over people who shouldn't be run over. I mean look at the absurd amount of hate hhh has gotten over the years for squashing people...yet how in the hell is what he did worse than cena? Cena has at the least partial creative control over his character and yet he gets a pass in general by people blaming creative or mcmahon or something other than cena himself. He is the one who either came up with or went along with the absolute burial of 3 other talents that was not only completely unnecessary but mind boggling stupid. It's time people start blaming cena for this utter garbage we have seen from him for what seems like 3 lifetimes instead of always putting the blame on someone else. Meanwhile while he is burying people today, people will still complain about hhh burying someone 10 years ago and treat him as the devil. I mean c'mon. I'm not a big social media guy, but for those who are, I wish people would use it as a way to actually protest this horseshit they keep feeding us with cena. Wwe likes to constantly tout twitter and social media well then people actually should use it to organize something meaningful like spreading the idea of having crowds at every show turn their backs when cena comes out since they obviously don't care if people boo him. I mean imagine the image of half or more of the arena with their backs turned toward him. No amount of micheal cole covering for cena could excuse that act of defiance by the audiance (and customers) that is sick of seeing the same old shit from cena for over a f***ing decade and at the expense of everyone else too boot.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 26, 2014 7:31:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought Cena would have gotten a lot of praise for not grinning his way through the Brock loss, taking the situation seriously and showing more of a mean streak, which is what a lot of both his fans and detractors have asked for. Also some sweet suplexes on his part, expanding the moveset.
Sometimes I wonder, are we even watching the same show anymore?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 26, 2014 7:37:02 GMT -5
This is what happens when the company has no competition. There's absolutely nothing that pushes them to explore creativity, build new stars, create actual coherent storylines, and showcase any flaws within the character of Cena in my opinion. One of the main reasons people loved Bryan, Punk, Bret Hart, Shawn, Rock, Austin, and even Foley is because they showed vunerability.
Yes, they still won their matches and had their superman moments. But they still allowed themselves to be depicted as failing sometimes. Even Hogan got his ass kicked at some point. For some reason, they're scared to have Cena show any emotion, fear, doubt, or failure in terms of painting this ideal picture that the hero always wins when it truly isn't the case. Sometimes the hero fails and the bad guy gets away, only for the hero to learn from his/her mistakes, come back and sometimes fail again, and when they eventually succeed you cheer for the moment.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 26, 2014 7:40:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought Cena would have gotten a lot of praise for not grinning his way through the Brock loss, taking the situation seriously and showing more of a mean streak, which is what a lot of both his fans and detractors have asked for. Also some sweet suplexes on his part, expanding the moveset. Sometimes I wonder, are we even watching the same show anymore? Because after getting destroyed the way he did he shouldn't have recovered as quickly as he did. WWE always goes into panic mode if Cena somehow shows weakness or isn't on the show.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 7:41:05 GMT -5
When Brock squashes Cena again at Night of Champions last nights Raw will look even more horrendous.
Not that it should mean the company allows Cena to win at NOC, they should just write better.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 26, 2014 7:53:49 GMT -5
I am too. I just want Cena off my TV. He probably will win at Night of Champions, because who cares about long term booking when Cena is still involved? WWE sure doesn't. He'll be on the top until his body gives out, maybe even past that. He won't go away. In five years we'll probably still be getting Cena vs. Big Show and can he lift someone that big?!? and Cena vs. Kane and oooh look how scary Kane is this time! It may sound like something a pretentious high schooler that just read the book would say (I'm just a mere pretentious college student), but WWE's current state (in addition to its treatment of its fans) reminds me of 1984. The sneaker clad foot of John Cena has been stomping on the proverbial face of the audience that hates him for a very long time, in a desperate attempt to blot them out or bore them enough to leave. Pretty much what went through my head last night...thinking we will be tortured by the same old cena until he officially retires. What bothers me though is how much of a pass cena always gets for this shitty booking and running over people who shouldn't be run over. I mean look at the absurd amount of hate hhh has gotten over the years for squashing people...yet how in the hell is what he did worse than cena? Cena has at the least partial creative control over his character and yet he gets a pass in general by people blaming creative or mcmahon or something other than cena himself. He is the one who either came up with or went along with the absolute burial of 3 other talents that was not only completely unnecessary but mind boggling stupid. It's time people start blaming cena for this utter garbage we have seen from him for what seems like 3 lifetimes instead of always putting the blame on someone else. Meanwhile while he is burying people today, people will still complain about hhh burying someone 10 years ago and treat him as the devil. I mean c'mon. I'm not a big social media guy, but for those who are, I wish people would use it as a way to actually protest this horseshit they keep feeding us with cena. Wwe likes to constantly tout twitter and social media well then people actually should use it to organize something meaningful like spreading the idea of having crowds at every show turn their backs when cena comes out since they obviously don't care if people boo him. I mean imagine the image of half or more of the arena with their backs turned toward him. No amount of micheal cole covering for cena could excuse that act of defiance by the audiance (and customers) that is sick of seeing the same old shit from cena for over a f***ing decade and at the expense of everyone else too boot. I really don't think that'd accomplish much to be honest. The WWE would find a way to spin it into the rhetoric that "Cena is controversial."
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Aug 26, 2014 7:54:44 GMT -5
The main reason why I hate this rematch is because it defeats the whole point of their first encounter.
Why have Brock take the title if he's just going to be a placeholder until the next John Cena title reign?
They could have done it better. They could have had Cena win against Brock the first time (but, just barely) and then have Heyman scold Cena week after week until Cena finally agrees to give Lesnar another shot. This time, Lesnar wins.
Well, that's how I'd book Summerslam and NOC.
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Post by Jiren on Aug 26, 2014 7:55:34 GMT -5
John Cena should tap at NOC, It'd never happen but it'd be awesome
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 26, 2014 8:28:47 GMT -5
I don't mind this next match being competitive. The story of the last match, to me, is that it was all over after that first F-5. No F-5, and you have a Cena who can still fight.
Lesnar MUST win though. He should go on a tear all the way until Wrestlemania.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 26, 2014 8:29:59 GMT -5
Brock can't murder Cena much worse, short of the literal. I would not rule out WWE killing Cena off. Then he can overcome death!
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Post by jamofpearls on Aug 26, 2014 8:47:28 GMT -5
I think Cena needs to be beaten worse than before, and be forced to tap out this time.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 26, 2014 8:47:38 GMT -5
It's not in the bag of Brock losing to Cena at Night of Champions. Cena will put up a way better fight but will still ultimately lose the match. While it sucked that Bray got treated like a 5 dollar whore by Cena, they had to rebuild Cena after the most one sided asskicking in a world title match since Diesel beat Bob Backlund. Using someone like Miz, Fandango, or RybAxel wouldn't done shit. Bray talked a big game but got exposed. I would take this time to bench the Wyatts and retooled them because they need a break. If no one believes Cena stands a chance, no one will pay to see the rematch. But yeah, it's Rocky 3 but Clubber wins.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 26, 2014 8:57:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought Cena would have gotten a lot of praise for not grinning his way through the Brock loss, taking the situation seriously and showing more of a mean streak, which is what a lot of both his fans and detractors have asked for. Also some sweet suplexes on his part, expanding the moveset. Sometimes I wonder, are we even watching the same show anymore? I think the fact that this seems to have a 99-1% ratio of being buried to praised, that it would more be indictment on you not watching the same show as everyone else to be honest. Cena's ability or move-set is not in question here. It was the complete illogical booking direction they're going in.
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Post by hossfan on Aug 26, 2014 9:04:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I thought Cena would have gotten a lot of praise for not grinning his way through the Brock loss, taking the situation seriously and showing more of a mean streak, which is what a lot of both his fans and detractors have asked for. Also some sweet suplexes on his part, expanding the moveset. Sometimes I wonder, are we even watching the same show anymore? I think the fact that this seems to have a 99-1% ratio of being buried to praised, that it would more be indictment on you not watching the same show as everyone else to be honest. Cena's ability or move-set is not in question here. It was the complete illogical booking direction they're going in. There's nothing "illogical" about booking a challenger as strong going into a rematch. You just don't like it, which is fine, but the accusation that it makes no sense storyline wise is just flat out wrong.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2014 9:05:48 GMT -5
half drunk I read this as " Sin Cara could beat Brock" Misticara would have given Brock a heart attack by pointing at him
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 26, 2014 9:08:56 GMT -5
I think the fact that this seems to have a 99-1% ratio of being buried to praised, that it would more be indictment on you not watching the same show as everyone else to be honest. Cena's ability or move-set is not in question here. It was the complete illogical booking direction they're going in. There's nothing "illogical" about booking a challenger as strong going into a rematch. You just don't like it, which is fine, but the accusation that it makes no sense storyline wise is just flat out wrong. If the challenger is saying all the same things he said before the first match, then yes it is illogical. What's changed? Why would Cena be stronger this time around?
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Aug 26, 2014 9:13:50 GMT -5
Cena's pure Cenaness has absolved me of any excitement for NOC.
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