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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 14:51:23 GMT -5
That's the trick, isn't it? They can't be heels, because a black heel group would be horrible for the WWE's image. And they can't be faces unless the WWE wants to make themselves the heels for keeping the black man down.Having these guys in a stable is a good idea, because they're all better than the... nothing... that they've been given to do. But I don't know how it's going to work. Maybe they could just be known as Blerd Nation or something. That's the problem you run into when only about two black dudes are allowed on WWE Raw at a time; there's a lot more on the line when you screw up booking them. And I don't understand the logic of WWE not wanting to look like heels because their on-screen corporate practices totally have a racist component to them.... I mean, The Authority are already the onscreen bad guys and they're the face of WWE management. The fact D. Bryan Danielson didn't have "the look" of a champion and was deemed unacceptable was the entire point of their problem with him. ...The "New Nation" actually being right about the Authority would fit the narrative a lot better than them being heels for no reason.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 27, 2014 15:21:14 GMT -5
That's the trick, isn't it? They can't be heels, because a black heel group would be horrible for the WWE's image. And they can't be faces unless the WWE wants to make themselves the heels for keeping the black man down.Having these guys in a stable is a good idea, because they're all better than the... nothing... that they've been given to do. But I don't know how it's going to work. Maybe they could just be known as Blerd Nation or something. That's the problem you run into when only about two black dudes are allowed on WWE Raw at a time; there's a lot more on the line when you screw up booking them. And I don't understand the logic of WWE not wanting to look like heels because their on-screen corporate practices totally have a racist component to them.... I mean, The Authority are already the onscreen bad guys and they're the face of WWE management. The fact D. Bryan Danielson didn't have "the look" of a champion and was deemed unacceptable was the entire point of their problem with him. ...The "New Nation" actually being right about the Authority would fit the narrative a lot better than them being heels for no reason. I guess there's a difference between The Authority hating Bryan because he has a beard and doesn't have big muscles and isn't tall. That's a pretty easy and simple thing to grasp for an entire audience, from kids up. You go the whole "Kofi, Big E, Xavier you people are B plus players because you're black so go out and huck and jive for the people", that's a whooooole other can of worms I'm sure they don't want to get mainstream attention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:23:21 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't start a big argument or what but I am not sure how the "B+ Player" stuff because Bryan's DNA doesn't make him really tall and because he doesn't use steroids is any more acceptable than New Nation. It's still dislike based on genes.
That's like AJ being against Stephanie at WrestleMania because AJ has small boobs compared to Stephanie.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 27, 2014 15:28:39 GMT -5
I call them New Nation like most others so it may be hypocritical to say but why not just have them be a three man stable of three wrestlers. The Shield weren't white power, 3MB weren't KKK, why does "New Nation" have to be about being black? SHIELD was a pack of mercenaries (one of which was Samoan) and 3MB was a rock band (with one member being Indian Canadian). Besides being black and "held down," what will any of the members of the New Nation have in common, besides being a rehash of the other group of black guys from the '90's who's whole gimmick was they were being held down by the white man?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:31:03 GMT -5
I call them New Nation like most others so it may be hypocritical to say but why not just have them be a three man stable of three wrestlers. The Shield weren't white power, 3MB weren't KKK, why does "New Nation" have to be about being black? SHIELD was a pack of mercenaries (one of which was Samoan) and 3MB was a rock band (with one member being Indian Canadian). Besides being black and "held down," what will any of the members of the New Nation have in common, besides being a rehash of the other group of black guys from the '90's who's whole gimmick was they were being held down by the white man? I am so against racism, I never saw Reigns and Mahal not being white. I am Stephen Colbert. They could do it as three guys who feel they have the talent to be better than where they are and are joining forces to try and take control of their fate. It doesn't have to be a racial thing.
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 27, 2014 15:34:08 GMT -5
I call them New Nation like most others so it may be hypocritical to say but why not just have them be a three man stable of three wrestlers. The Shield weren't white power, 3MB weren't KKK, why does "New Nation" have to be about being black? SHIELD was a pack of mercenaries (one of which was Samoan) and 3MB was a rock band (with one member being Indian Canadian). Besides being black and "held down," what will any of the members of the New Nation have in common, besides being a rehash of the other group of black guys from the '90's who's whole gimmick was they were being held down by the white man? Like I alluded to, they all seem to have nerdy tendencies. All three seem to be into some form of gaming, anime, comic books etc. It'd be interesting if that was the basis of their common connection.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:36:07 GMT -5
I guess there's a difference between The Authority hating Bryan because he has a beard and doesn't have big muscles and isn't tall. That's a pretty easy and simple thing to grasp for an entire audience, from kids up. You go the whole "Kofi, Big E, Xavier you people are B plus players because you're black so go out and huck and jive for the people", that's a whooooole other can of worms I'm sure they don't want to get mainstream attention. Why is that so hard for kids to grasp racism like that can and does exist? You got a whole bunch of kids out there right now living that life so I don't get why certain dudes can live vicariously through Bearded Train-Hopping D. Bryan kicking ass, but in this case the story is too hot to deal with. Why? I'd actually watch the show and likely pay money to see Xavier, Kofi and Big E kick the shit out of racist corporate dickheads and I'm not the only one who would.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 27, 2014 15:37:56 GMT -5
SHIELD was a pack of mercenaries (one of which was Samoan) and 3MB was a rock band (with one member being Indian Canadian). Besides being black and "held down," what will any of the members of the New Nation have in common, besides being a rehash of the other group of black guys from the '90's who's whole gimmick was they were being held down by the white man? I am so against racism, I never saw Reigns and Mahal not being white. I am Stephen Colbert. They could do it as three guys who feel they have the talent to be better than where they are and are joining forces to try and take control of their fate. It doesn't have to be a racial thing. If they could manage that (and that wouldn't be impossible - the Primetime Playas was a black tag team with a black manager and none of them had to use race anviliciously in either a face or a heel way), I wouldn't be so apprehensive. Hell, I'd actually be quite behind it; their differing and possibly cooperative styles are a much better reason to be behind a Big E/Kofi tag team anyway. My fear is, if they're going the "New Nation route," it's gonna come with all the baggage of the "New Nation route" - including anvilicious race-baiting by both them and whoever they feud with. If they're just gonna be a trio of wrestlers who happen to be black, it's cool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:38:24 GMT -5
If it is New Nation in terms of race, like I said earlier, go over the top with it. Have them say they hate white people, have Kofi talk up how he's the superior black athlete, have Woods talk jive so much no one understands, have Big E ask the ladies what the E in "Big" E stands for.
Play up every stereotype to the degree people see it as some meta commentary on racism.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2014 15:40:31 GMT -5
I call them New Nation like most others so it may be hypocritical to say but why not just have them be a three man stable of three wrestlers. The Shield weren't white power, 3MB weren't KKK, why does "New Nation" have to be about being black? SHIELD was a pack of mercenaries (one of which was Samoan) and 3MB was a rock band (with one member being Indian Canadian). Besides being black and "held down," what will any of the members of the New Nation have in common, besides being a rehash of the other group of black guys from the '90's who's whole gimmick was they were being held down by the white man? They don't need to be a rehash of said group. Xavier could've gotten Heath Slater and Zack Ryder together and said that they were being held down. While Xavier himself can speak for having lacked opportunities, Kof-E have done well for themselves. There was a time when Kofi was "the only midcard face that exists", and Big E was one of the few recent Intercontinental Champions that didn't lose every match. We the fans perpetuate the idea that they're a race based stable by calling them the "New Nation" out of instinct/reflex.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:43:53 GMT -5
If it is New Nation in terms of race, like I said earlier, go over the top with it. Have them say they hate white people, have Kofi talk up how he's the superior black athlete, have Woods talk jive so much no one understands, have Big E ask the ladies what the E in "Big" E stands for. Play up every stereotype to the degree people see it as some meta commentary on racism. But that's never how that stuff works....
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Post by cahuette on Aug 27, 2014 15:52:32 GMT -5
If it is New Nation in terms of race, like I said earlier, go over the top with it. Have them say they hate white people, have Kofi talk up how he's the superior black athlete, have Woods talk jive so much no one understands, have Big E ask the ladies what the E in "Big" E stands for. Play up every stereotype to the degree people see it as some meta commentary on racism. #cancelraw would be trending on twitter two minutes later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:56:32 GMT -5
If it is New Nation in terms of race, like I said earlier, go over the top with it. Have them say they hate white people, have Kofi talk up how he's the superior black athlete, have Woods talk jive so much no one understands, have Big E ask the ladies what the E in "Big" E stands for. Play up every stereotype to the degree people see it as some meta commentary on racism. #cancelraw would be trending on twitter two minutes later. Yep. Then they can put it on the Network and boost subscribers.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 27, 2014 15:57:29 GMT -5
I guess there's a difference between The Authority hating Bryan because he has a beard and doesn't have big muscles and isn't tall. That's a pretty easy and simple thing to grasp for an entire audience, from kids up. You go the whole "Kofi, Big E, Xavier you people are B plus players because you're black so go out and huck and jive for the people", that's a whooooole other can of worms I'm sure they don't want to get mainstream attention. Why is that so hard for kids to grasp racism like that can and does exist? You got a whole bunch of kids out there right now living that life so I don't get why certain dudes can live vicariously through Bearded Train-Hopping D. Bryan kicking ass, but in this case the story is too hot to deal with. Why? I'd actually watch the show and likely pay money to see Xavier, Kofi and Big E kick the shit out of racist corporate dickheads and I'm not the only one who would. I would be all for it too, but I guess I just don't trust WWE, or wrestling as a whole, to handle anything involving race in a way that's not stupid or offensive. I mean these are the guys that are giving us Rusev and Lana's happy funtime evil foreginer stuff.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 27, 2014 15:59:50 GMT -5
Rumors of their demise might be premature considering they work a dark match tonight. Kofi and Big E w/Xavier acting as their manager beat Slater Gator. They also worked as babyfaces. Eh, dark matches don't really matter. It won't be until they get back on TV as a group or don't that we'll know for sure.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 27, 2014 16:01:34 GMT -5
If it is New Nation in terms of race, like I said earlier, go over the top with it. Have them say they hate white people, have Kofi talk up how he's the superior black athlete, have Woods talk jive so much no one understands, have Big E ask the ladies what the E in "Big" E stands for. Play up every stereotype to the degree people see it as some meta commentary on racism. You do realize the WWE writers wouldn't have any clue what subtlety, metaness or wit was even if the anthropomorphic personation of said traits walked over and cock-slapped them in the face?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:03:29 GMT -5
If it is New Nation in terms of race, like I said earlier, go over the top with it. Have them say they hate white people, have Kofi talk up how he's the superior black athlete, have Woods talk jive so much no one understands, have Big E ask the ladies what the E in "Big" E stands for. Play up every stereotype to the degree people see it as some meta commentary on racism. You do realize the WWE writers wouldn't have any clue what subtlety, metaness or wit was even if the anthropomorphic personation of said traits walked over and cock-slapped them in the face? I am just saying what it COULD be, a faction of black guys doesn't have to be a black faction, it can be a faction which is black. WWE is WWE though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:08:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the future goal of the "New Nation" really, if the payoff is Kofi finally getting a WWE WHC title shot then I'm in for it but if they will just be a team of midcarders not looking beyond the standard midcard (which given their comments they want to move higher than they've been this higher time) I don't see what the big deal is.
I wouldn't mind them being built up until they're a great 3-man team but we'll see.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 27, 2014 17:02:40 GMT -5
I guess there's a difference between The Authority hating Bryan because he has a beard and doesn't have big muscles and isn't tall. That's a pretty easy and simple thing to grasp for an entire audience, from kids up. You go the whole "Kofi, Big E, Xavier you people are B plus players because you're black so go out and huck and jive for the people", that's a whooooole other can of worms I'm sure they don't want to get mainstream attention. Why is that so hard for kids to grasp racism like that can and does exist? You got a whole bunch of kids out there right now living that life so I don't get why certain dudes can live vicariously through Bearded Train-Hopping D. Bryan kicking ass, but in this case the story is too hot to deal with. Why? I'd actually watch the show and likely pay money to see Xavier, Kofi and Big E kick the shit out of racist corporate dickheads and I'm not the only one who would. I imagine Big E and Kofi calling out Trips' racist angle at WrestleMania 19 and beating his ass for it would be downright cathartic for a lot of people.
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