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Post by Sc on Sept 19, 2014 1:06:42 GMT -5
Speaking of people who probably want TNA to close, has Hogan or Bischoff said "See TNA couldn't even last a year without us" yet?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 19, 2014 1:12:38 GMT -5
What's really the benefit of it being alive? What has TNA done to warrant a longer time on television? If anything, TNA deserve to go out of business for basically being everything a wrestling company SHOULDN'T be. Ratings, terrible. Attendance, terrible. Storyline's, terrible. Allowing wrestlers to come out intoxicated and/or allow them to perform unnecessary high-risk spots for no reason. Continuous bashing of the WWE when WWE hasn't given a shit about TNA for it's entire existence. Seriously, they have entire storyline based on WWE, it's downright pathetic. What's the benefits? Giving people jobs? I'm guaranteeing you, 90 percent of the TNA roster would find a better living off of the indy's than being in TNA. And considering guys alot of top indy guys like Steen, Zayn, and Devitt are making a name for themselves in WWE, I don't see how anyone would want to go to TNA. It's not like TNA all the sudden going to get worldwide recognition and mainstream appeal over night, it's impossible. Their a laughing stock, watched by 1 million viewers who will watch it until it's last second. Seriously, no one takes it seriously anymore, there is no chance in hell a major network in picking them up when their ratings have been stagnant for a decade. Do you really think a network executive is going to be impressed with Rockstar Spud or Gunner? Or how delusional and stupid Dixie Carter is? Or how their attendance and PPV numbers are hilariously bad? Put a fork in em', their done. A good chunk of TNA's talents can't really fit into any of the major indies, so TNA is pretty much their only option.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 19, 2014 1:34:01 GMT -5
What's really the benefit of it being alive? What has TNA done to warrant a longer time on television? If anything, TNA deserve to go out of business for basically being everything a wrestling company SHOULDN'T be. Ratings, terrible. Attendance, terrible. Storyline's, terrible. Allowing wrestlers to come out intoxicated and/or allow them to perform unnecessary high-risk spots for no reason. Continuous bashing of the WWE when WWE hasn't given a shit about TNA for it's entire existence. Seriously, they have entire storyline based on WWE, it's downright pathetic. What's the benefits? Giving people jobs? I'm guaranteeing you, 90 percent of the TNA roster would find a better living off of the indy's than being in TNA. And considering guys alot of top indy guys like Steen, Zayn, and Devitt are making a name for themselves in WWE, I don't see how anyone would want to go to TNA. It's not like TNA all the sudden going to get worldwide recognition and mainstream appeal over night, it's impossible. Their a laughing stock, watched by 1 million viewers who will watch it until it's last second. Seriously, no one takes it seriously anymore, there is no chance in hell a major network in picking them up when their ratings have been stagnant for a decade. Do you really think a network executive is going to be impressed with Rockstar Spud or Gunner? Or how delusional and stupid Dixie Carter is? Or how their attendance and PPV numbers are hilariously bad? Put a fork in em', their done. A good chunk of TNA's talents can't really fit into any of the major indies, so TNA is pretty much their only option. It's not so much that, as much as there are only so many profitable indies out there, and the closing of TNA is going to send roughly 20-30 workers into an already crowded independent scene, which means not all of the TNA alumni will be able to get good bookings. Not only that, but those ex-TNA workers will be taking up spots on high-profile indie cards that could have gone to prospective workers trying to make a name for themselves, which stifles the future development of indie talent. On the other hand, it's possible that TNA's closure could leave a vacuum in the wrestling industry that another promotion with less of its head up its ass could eventually occupy as the #2 promotion in the United States, but there's no guarantee such a thing will happen. Make no mistake, it's very possible that WWE becomes the only promotion with cable deals in the United States indefinitely, leaving less spots for people that want to make good money doing professional wrestling. The best hope for that is that Spike TV eventually reconsiders having a wrestling product to lead into Bellator, but who knows if that will ever happen? Yeah, there might be a few people that make more money on the indies and in Japan than in TNA, but for every AJ Styles or Christopher Daniels, there's a thousand people working part-time jobs to support themselves just to even get noticed.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 19, 2014 14:31:04 GMT -5
At this point... yeah. Its such a dead horse at this point I think it will be better for the longterm potential of the industry to have the so called "number 2" that will NEVER recover from here die so another company can take a shot at rising to that spot. There's a handful of people in TNA that I'm a fan of that I'm worried would not really have anywhere else to go* but I think it would be better for most of the people in TNA, and moreover for the industry overall that the company just die. Sad as it is to say. I used to be one of the folks who was offended by the idea of people actually wanting the company to die, but at this point... :/
(*mostly Brooke and Taryn, who can really only work in TNA. Not good enough for SHIMMER (SHINE mabye?), WWE wouldn't take them back even if they should, and there's really nowhere else for them to WORK thats on the radar).
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Post by creepytennis on Sept 19, 2014 15:44:26 GMT -5
That's funny because I'm English and I'm a (what you call) soccer fan. I support Blackpool FC which means I'm honour bound to hate Preston FC and everything about them. We sing insulting songs about them. We criticise everything they do. But if Preston were actually on the brink of closure, me and every Blackpool supporter I know would want to save the club. That's why I find the attitude on this forum so shocking. Wrestling fans don't want wrestling companies to fold. End of. I'm an American and not a soccer fan, so let me ask, how far would you be willing to take it to save Preston? Would you be championing its saving if its players were so laughably horrible that they can't even remotely pose any kind of challenge to any other team? They constantly lose by double digit differences in score? They hire coaches that insist on using unconventional and unsuccessful tactics and actively insult fans of the sport at the same time (not just fans of their rivals, but fans of the sport in general including their own)? The team owner blindly refuses to see or acknowledge any of these flaws, fix them, or turn the reigns over to someone who might be able to fix things? When is enough enough and you decide its just not worth it to try to save a team that there doesn't seem to be any hope of turning around simply for the sake of preserving an old rivalry? At some point you're just holding onto a past that's long since dead and ignoring a potential better future for no other logical reason then nostalgia. Take off your blinkers and TNA is nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting. Impact is frequently more entertaining than RAW right now. Do you want WWE to close? And as others have said, TNA is quite different from WWE. It's got a completely different feel. If it closes it will take a very long time for another fed to take its place, if it happens at all. Face it, you and other haters on this thread, and this board, want TNA to close out of blind tribalism, old grudges, and a desire to fit in with IWC culture. Real wrestling fans, like real Soccer fans, real sports fans of all kinds, realise that a sport is an ecosystem where people going out of business helps nobody, and is a dangerous indicator of the health of the industry generally.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 19, 2014 15:52:48 GMT -5
I disagree man, TNA is in a downward spiral, money is bad, if not then Sting and others wouldn't have left. We want tna to close because it's embarrasing, what happens in football if Preston was dying financially and there was no other way to save it? you close it down or you end up going down with it, just like any other business. We wanted TNA to thrive but too much damage has been done, it's only getting worse, there isn't any way to save TNA now. Yeah TNA closing doesn't helps anybody it's gonna hurt the business, but the way the company is, it deserves to be put out of its misery. Yeah a lot of times raw sucks, but the WWE keeps making huge amounts of money, TNA isn't, its losing money.
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Post by creepytennis on Sept 19, 2014 16:02:54 GMT -5
I disagree man, TNA is in a downward spiral, money is bad, if not then Sting and others wouldn't have left. We want tna to close because it's embarrasing, what happens in football if Preston was dying financially and there was no other way to save it? you close it down or you end up going down with it, just like any other business. We wanted TNA to thrive but too much damage has been done, it's only getting worse, there isn't any way to save TNA now. Yeah TNA closing doesn't helps anybody it's gonna hurt the business, but the way the company is, it deserves to be put out of its misery. Yeah a lot of times raw sucks, but the WWE keeps making huge amounts of money, TNA isn't, its losing money. WWE is losing money. Lots of it. This thread isn't about whether TNA can be saved (it can BTW, and I actually think it probably will), it's about whether you *want* it to be saved. The only reasons you give for not *wanting* to save it are because it "deserves" to fold, and because it's "embarrassing". Well, that's your opinion. And it confirms what I've said above about you guys wanting it to close because of some long standing IWC grudge more than anything else.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 19, 2014 16:13:03 GMT -5
What IWC grudge? Man most of the internet darlings got their break in tna, I want them to succeed and also tna but they aren't there anymore, it's not the tna I love anymore, it's just a parody of itself. AJ, Fallen Angel, Machineguns, Kazarian, Jay Lethal, Sonjay, amongst others. The budget cutter is making guys leave every day.
You're truly a better fan than me I guess, I just can't root for tna because they've broke my heart time and time again.
Edit: sorry I missed the wwe losing money line. Yeah wwe lost a ton, but they aren't on red ink yet, unlike tna who can't even pay their crews in time.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 19, 2014 18:27:51 GMT -5
I'm an American and not a soccer fan, so let me ask, how far would you be willing to take it to save Preston? Would you be championing its saving if its players were so laughably horrible that they can't even remotely pose any kind of challenge to any other team? They constantly lose by double digit differences in score? They hire coaches that insist on using unconventional and unsuccessful tactics and actively insult fans of the sport at the same time (not just fans of their rivals, but fans of the sport in general including their own)? The team owner blindly refuses to see or acknowledge any of these flaws, fix them, or turn the reigns over to someone who might be able to fix things? When is enough enough and you decide its just not worth it to try to save a team that there doesn't seem to be any hope of turning around simply for the sake of preserving an old rivalry? At some point you're just holding onto a past that's long since dead and ignoring a potential better future for no other logical reason then nostalgia. Take off your blinkers and TNA is nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting. Impact is frequently more entertaining than RAW right now. Do you want WWE to close? And as others have said, TNA is quite different from WWE. It's got a completely different feel. If it closes it will take a very long time for another fed to take its place, if it happens at all. Face it, you and other haters on this thread, and this board, want TNA to close out of blind tribalism, old grudges, and a desire to fit in with IWC culture. Real wrestling fans, like real Soccer fans, real sports fans of all kinds, realise that a sport is an ecosystem where people going out of business helps nobody, and is a dangerous indicator of the health of the industry generally. First we drag out the ever popular "real wrestling fans" argument. Then we drag out the "haters" argument. How about we just go and look at the 10 pages of people giving arguments why they want it to die. Or are we just going to continue to ignore that and just label people "haters". There's no blind tribalism here. Lot of people with alot of opinions that differ, sure absolutely. Certainly is no "hive mind culture" rampant on these boards and it's really a tired argument you've brought up multiple times. I think most wrestling fans readily admit that the "sport" is in a definitive low point. No question about that. It's why the WWE has begun to get into other avenues other than "wrestling show, monthly ppv, house shows". The more diverse you are the more you can afford to ride out these low points. TNA swung for the fences a couple years ago. They whiffed and they are really paying for it now. They mortgaged their future on the Hogan era and it did not pay off. The people on this board aren't just "TNA haters" (omg I can't believe I used that word again). Alot of them, including myself, were big fans of TNA at one point or another and are just so sick of their failures and removal of all the guys that "defined" TNA that it's to the point of just going f*** em, let em die. If anything these people shouldn't be lumped into the WWE fans that just hate TNA because it's not WWE. These are people who were big fans of it at one point and just got so sick of it they bailed. Certainly aren't part of your "blind tribalism" bullshit argument.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 19, 2014 18:39:00 GMT -5
Whether you want TNA to die or not, it doesn't have a completely different feel than WWE. For almost a decade it's been WWE Lite.
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 19, 2014 18:44:37 GMT -5
Whether you want TNA to die or not, it doesn't have a completely different feel than WWE. For almost a decade it's been WWE Lite. That's been 90% of my issue with TNA. WWE is Coke/Pepsi and TNA tries to be some shitty generic cola instead of Mountain Dew/Dr Pepper/Root Beer.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 19, 2014 18:48:20 GMT -5
They're RC Cola. RC is fine, it's just a lesser cola unless you got a Moon Pie.
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Post by creepytennis on Sept 20, 2014 7:11:39 GMT -5
Take off your blinkers and TNA is nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting. Impact is frequently more entertaining than RAW right now. Do you want WWE to close? And as others have said, TNA is quite different from WWE. It's got a completely different feel. If it closes it will take a very long time for another fed to take its place, if it happens at all. Face it, you and other haters on this thread, and this board, want TNA to close out of blind tribalism, old grudges, and a desire to fit in with IWC culture. Real wrestling fans, like real Soccer fans, real sports fans of all kinds, realise that a sport is an ecosystem where people going out of business helps nobody, and is a dangerous indicator of the health of the industry generally. First we drag out the ever popular "real wrestling fans" argument. Then we drag out the "haters" argument. How about we just go and look at the 10 pages of people giving arguments why they want it to die. Or are we just going to continue to ignore that and just label people "haters". There's no blind tribalism here. Lot of people with alot of opinions that differ, sure absolutely. Certainly is no "hive mind culture" rampant on these boards and it's really a tired argument you've brought up multiple times. I think most wrestling fans readily admit that the "sport" is in a definitive low point. No question about that. It's why the WWE has begun to get into other avenues other than "wrestling show, monthly ppv, house shows". The more diverse you are the more you can afford to ride out these low points. TNA swung for the fences a couple years ago. They whiffed and they are really paying for it now. They mortgaged their future on the Hogan era and it did not pay off. The people on this board aren't just "TNA haters" (omg I can't believe I used that word again). Alot of them, including myself, were big fans of TNA at one point or another and are just so sick of their failures and removal of all the guys that "defined" TNA that it's to the point of just going f*** em, let em die. If anything these people shouldn't be lumped into the WWE fans that just hate TNA because it's not WWE. These are people who were big fans of it at one point and just got so sick of it they bailed. Certainly aren't part of your "blind tribalism" bullshit argument. Nobody's saying you have to like TNA. Nobody's saying you can't criticise it. Nobody's saying you can't wish Bob Carter had kept bankrolling it so they still had AJ, Daniels, Kaz and Sting. All I'm saying is that if you actively want a wrestling company to close down, you're not much of a wrestling fan. And I'm right about that. And there's not one valid argument on these ten pages that makes that any less true.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 20, 2014 11:57:37 GMT -5
First we drag out the ever popular "real wrestling fans" argument. Then we drag out the "haters" argument. How about we just go and look at the 10 pages of people giving arguments why they want it to die. Or are we just going to continue to ignore that and just label people "haters". There's no blind tribalism here. Lot of people with alot of opinions that differ, sure absolutely. Certainly is no "hive mind culture" rampant on these boards and it's really a tired argument you've brought up multiple times. I think most wrestling fans readily admit that the "sport" is in a definitive low point. No question about that. It's why the WWE has begun to get into other avenues other than "wrestling show, monthly ppv, house shows". The more diverse you are the more you can afford to ride out these low points. TNA swung for the fences a couple years ago. They whiffed and they are really paying for it now. They mortgaged their future on the Hogan era and it did not pay off. The people on this board aren't just "TNA haters" (omg I can't believe I used that word again). Alot of them, including myself, were big fans of TNA at one point or another and are just so sick of their failures and removal of all the guys that "defined" TNA that it's to the point of just going f*** em, let em die. If anything these people shouldn't be lumped into the WWE fans that just hate TNA because it's not WWE. These are people who were big fans of it at one point and just got so sick of it they bailed. Certainly aren't part of your "blind tribalism" bullshit argument. Nobody's saying you have to like TNA. Nobody's saying you can't criticise it. Nobody's saying you can't wish Bob Carter had kept bankrolling it so they still had AJ, Daniels, Kaz and Sting. All I'm saying is that if you actively want a wrestling company to close down, you're not much of a wrestling fan. And I'm right about that. And there's not one valid argument on these ten pages that makes that any less true. Well I'm a real wrestling fan, certainly not a fictional one. I want TNA to close. Does that make you wrong or just make your opinion different. Cause it's gotta be one of those 2 seeing as I'm a wrestling fan that wants this train wreck to go away so someone else more competent can give it a shot in the future, and not be bogged down with this bullshit carny way of thinking (putting a middle aged woman through a table is what they triumph for their big recent moment?) that TNA has. Want to be an alternative to WWE. Book it like NXT. No bullshit, quick promos that have a point, maybe 1 couple minute in ring segment, then it's just wrestling. That's an alternative. Not this half assed, tabloid shit that they have been trying to pass off as "edgy" and "mature" for the past few years. People say there's no room for another TV promotion in the US and they are right. With this husk of a company clogging the basic cable landscape along with WWE there is no room. Remove the carcass and in the future it opens up another to have a chance. Like I said previous wrestling is in a down period. If/when it picks up and TNA is still around what do you think people's reaction will be to coming back to it? "Oh boy an alternative to WWE's programming lets see what they do that's different and unique and makes me want to watch it" or "Oh god TNA is still around <click.". Guessing the latter cause the former hasn't been true for years. That's my reason. Hell someone could have a reason "I missed WCW dying and I wanna see the last days of a TV fed". To me that's perfectly valid reason. It's entertainment for the masses. If that's entertainment for someone so be it. Doesn't make them "wrong", and doesn't not make them a wrestling fan. Just makes them a fan who doesn't like WWE lite and would rather see something else in it's place.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 20, 2014 12:18:16 GMT -5
Well I'm a real wrestling fan, certainly not a fictional one. I want TNA to close. Does that make you wrong or just make your opinion different. Cause it's gotta be one of those 2 seeing as I'm a wrestling fan that wants this train wreck to go away so someone else more competent can give it a shot in the future, and not be bogged down with this bullshit carny way of thinking (putting a middle aged woman through a table is what they triumph for their big recent moment?) that TNA has. Want to be an alternative to WWE. Book it like NXT. No bullshit, quick promos that have a point, maybe 1 couple minute in ring segment, then it's just wrestling. That's an alternative. Not this half assed, tabloid shit that they have been trying to pass off as "edgy" and "mature" for the past few years. People say there's no room for another TV promotion in the US and they are right. With this husk of a company clogging the basic cable landscape along with WWE there is no room. Remove the carcass and in the future it opens up another to have a chance. Like I said previous wrestling is in a down period. If/when it picks up and TNA is still around what do you think people's reaction will be to coming back to it? "Oh boy an alternative to WWE's programming lets see what they do that's different and unique and makes me want to watch it" or "Oh god TNA is still around <click.". Guessing the latter cause the former hasn't been true for years. That's my reason. Hell someone could have a reason "I missed WCW dying and I wanna see the last days of a TV fed". To me that's perfectly valid reason. It's entertainment for the masses. If that's entertainment for someone so be it. Doesn't make them "wrong", and doesn't not make them a wrestling fan. Just makes them a fan who doesn't like WWE lite and would rather see something else in it's place. Dude I thought I was a hologram but if you're real, then I'm also real, got scared for a moment. Yeah TNA should die so that someone worthy can live.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 12:20:36 GMT -5
First we drag out the ever popular "real wrestling fans" argument. Then we drag out the "haters" argument. How about we just go and look at the 10 pages of people giving arguments why they want it to die. Or are we just going to continue to ignore that and just label people "haters". There's no blind tribalism here. Lot of people with alot of opinions that differ, sure absolutely. Certainly is no "hive mind culture" rampant on these boards and it's really a tired argument you've brought up multiple times. I think most wrestling fans readily admit that the "sport" is in a definitive low point. No question about that. It's why the WWE has begun to get into other avenues other than "wrestling show, monthly ppv, house shows". The more diverse you are the more you can afford to ride out these low points. TNA swung for the fences a couple years ago. They whiffed and they are really paying for it now. They mortgaged their future on the Hogan era and it did not pay off. The people on this board aren't just "TNA haters" (omg I can't believe I used that word again). Alot of them, including myself, were big fans of TNA at one point or another and are just so sick of their failures and removal of all the guys that "defined" TNA that it's to the point of just going f*** em, let em die. If anything these people shouldn't be lumped into the WWE fans that just hate TNA because it's not WWE. These are people who were big fans of it at one point and just got so sick of it they bailed. Certainly aren't part of your "blind tribalism" bullshit argument. Nobody's saying you have to like TNA. Nobody's saying you can't criticise it. Nobody's saying you can't wish Bob Carter had kept bankrolling it so they still had AJ, Daniels, Kaz and Sting. All I'm saying is that if you actively want a wrestling company to close down, you're not much of a wrestling fan. And I'm right about that. And there's not one valid argument on these ten pages that makes that any less true. Could you potentially explain why those arguments aren't valid instead of just declaring all of us who voted yes are not real fans? You know, kind of dismantle one or two of them to try to give us an idea of the issues instead of just, "I'm right, you're wrong!"?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 20, 2014 12:47:11 GMT -5
I'm an American and not a soccer fan, so let me ask, how far would you be willing to take it to save Preston? Would you be championing its saving if its players were so laughably horrible that they can't even remotely pose any kind of challenge to any other team? They constantly lose by double digit differences in score? They hire coaches that insist on using unconventional and unsuccessful tactics and actively insult fans of the sport at the same time (not just fans of their rivals, but fans of the sport in general including their own)? The team owner blindly refuses to see or acknowledge any of these flaws, fix them, or turn the reigns over to someone who might be able to fix things? When is enough enough and you decide its just not worth it to try to save a team that there doesn't seem to be any hope of turning around simply for the sake of preserving an old rivalry? At some point you're just holding onto a past that's long since dead and ignoring a potential better future for no other logical reason then nostalgia. Take off your blinkers and TNA is nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting. Impact is frequently more entertaining than RAW right now. Do you want WWE to close? And as others have said, TNA is quite different from WWE. It's got a completely different feel. If it closes it will take a very long time for another fed to take its place, if it happens at all. Face it, you and other haters on this thread, and this board, want TNA to close out of blind tribalism, old grudges, and a desire to fit in with IWC culture. Real wrestling fans, like real Soccer fans, real sports fans of all kinds, realise that a sport is an ecosystem where people going out of business helps nobody, and is a dangerous indicator of the health of the industry generally. Ok, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that I am just exaggerating TNA's problems to prove a point. Let's also say, also just for the sake of argument, that in between your insulting garbage there's something of a valid point in your response. My initial question still stands, when is enough enough? How far is it worth taking this? Do you really believe there never comes a point when you're just better off wiping the slate clean and starting over from scratch?
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Post by creepytennis on Sept 20, 2014 15:21:02 GMT -5
Take off your blinkers and TNA is nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting. Impact is frequently more entertaining than RAW right now. Do you want WWE to close? And as others have said, TNA is quite different from WWE. It's got a completely different feel. If it closes it will take a very long time for another fed to take its place, if it happens at all. Face it, you and other haters on this thread, and this board, want TNA to close out of blind tribalism, old grudges, and a desire to fit in with IWC culture. Real wrestling fans, like real Soccer fans, real sports fans of all kinds, realise that a sport is an ecosystem where people going out of business helps nobody, and is a dangerous indicator of the health of the industry generally. Ok, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that I am just exaggerating TNA's problems to prove a point. Let's also say, also just for the sake of argument, that in between your insulting garbage there's something of a valid point in your response. My initial question still stands, when is enough enough? How far is it worth taking this? Do you really believe there never comes a point when you're just better off wiping the slate clean and starting over from scratch? I haven't been insulting to anyone. The problem is that it will take many years for another promotion to get to the same level as TNA, if that even happens at all. It took TNA many years to get national weekly TV, and wrestling was actually hotter then. The only argument for TNA folding being a good thing is the fictional idea that another, better promotion will immediately take its place. My position, and I think I said this before, is that is wishful thinking. It's not a valid argument because if this new promotion existed or was about to exist, it would already be putting TNA out of business. It would be far better for wrestling if TNA stays in business and improves. It's improved a lot in the last few months. If TNA improved further, and kept improving, would you guys start saying you enjoyed it and wanted it to stay in business? Maybe you claim you would, but what I've seen of the IWC over the past decade makes me think not. Even during what is now seen as TNA's golden age, the IWC were wishing it out of business.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 20, 2014 15:32:54 GMT -5
Ok, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that I am just exaggerating TNA's problems to prove a point. Let's also say, also just for the sake of argument, that in between your insulting garbage there's something of a valid point in your response. My initial question still stands, when is enough enough? How far is it worth taking this? Do you really believe there never comes a point when you're just better off wiping the slate clean and starting over from scratch? I haven't been insulting to anyone. The problem is that it will take many years for another promotion to get to the same level as TNA, if that even happens at all. It took TNA many years to get national weekly TV, and wrestling was actually hotter then. The only argument for TNA folding being a good thing is the fictional idea that another, better promotion will immediately take its place. My position, and I think I said this before, is that is wishful thinking. It's not a valid argument because if this new promotion existed or was about to exist, it would already be putting TNA out of business. It would be far better for wrestling if TNA stays in business and improves. It's improved a lot in the last few months. If TNA improved further, and kept improving, would you guys start saying you enjoyed it and wanted it to stay in business? Maybe you claim you would, but what I've seen of the IWC over the past decade makes me think not. Even during what is now seen as TNA's golden age, the IWC were wishing it out of business. You called me a "hater" and said I wasn't a real wrestling fan. You also said I had "blinkers" on. I'm not sure what you meant by that since I think "blinkers" means something else in the UK then it does in the US, but it comes off as you meaning it as an insult. Also, like my ex-girlfriend, you keep answering questions I'm not asking and ignoring the question I am asking. I've asked you one question (granted I've asked it in multiple different ways), and it's simply this - do you think there comes a point where everything would not just better off wiping the slate clean and starting over from scratch?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 20, 2014 15:49:59 GMT -5
Just saying there isn't a valid argument doesn't actually invalidate other POVs.
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