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Post by Red Impact on Aug 26, 2014 14:25:13 GMT -5
Basically, it was once a random challenge that someone did and challenged others to. Someone with ALS decided to take it and use it as a platform to spread awareness about the disease and research. It's taken off like wildfire since then, a lot of people who do it now donate to other causes.
You really can't argue it's success, it's done a hell of a job. It's raised a lot of awareness about the condition, which charities like this need to do to get people to donate.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2014 14:25:47 GMT -5
looking it up on Wikipedia (the infallible!) it apparently started some time in 2013 for Cancer and no one is quite sure where the hell it started.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 14:28:01 GMT -5
Pete Frates (a Boston College grad and former athlete who has ALS) takes credit for starting the trend. He actually urged people to do it a year ago but wasn't able to do it himself until last month.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 15:34:16 GMT -5
[ rant mode activated ] So I have friend who as it turns out ( through an argument over the ALS challenge) is contrarian for contrarian's sake. He presents this image of being an activist/proletarian vegan hippy and I believe it be just that: A presentation. A summary on his thoughts on this challenge are: "So let's create faux awareness and make ourselves feel morally satisfied by wasting clean water that children and native peoples around the world don't have access to by dropping it on our heads. I've seen soooo many videos but not one person tries to educate people on the facts of ALS or why donating money or volunteering time is a much better way to help out. Donating money blindly to an organization that's partly owned by CEOs of the Pharma cartel. Yea I'm sure ALL that money raised is going to help ALS..... Smh.... I'm gonna cure AIDS... Give me your money... People can actually care and learn to volunteer or educate themselves to help educate others. In my opinion everyone who did the ice bucket challenge should be fined for wasting water and forced to do community service at a health shelter or local clinic. I know it's such a big thing to do... You know... Be a decent human being without fishing for Facebook likes and social media brownie points. They can all go eat a dick. " And status he shared: [ his comment ] Amen [ status ] "If i see one more ice bucket challenge, I'm gonna freak. Its so sad that you guys need to make publicity stunts to be persuaded to do something good for others. Why don't you do the, "Go volunteer at a soup kitchen challenge" or the "pay attention to your children and stop doing drugs challenge" ?" I posted his comments in a conversation I was having with another friend of mine on the same subject and asked if I could post his response to him in the interest of a fair debate ( so I thought). Friend #1 likes to promote that he's all about civil discourse but he doesn't even argue the point when prompted to. When I posted my friends response basically called my friend a dick, tool and f****t told me to look on the ALS website where it shows they only use 12% of the revenue. Guess what, it doesn't. They use 28% but you can obviously see where the rest goes to, at least for 2014. So he proceeds to call me a dick and to come back when I argue properly. I call him out on logical fallacies, he tells me I used the wrong word to describe it. On top of which he now says I need to provide third party links instead from their own website because their own information is probably fabricated. But wait!, he pulled the supposed 12% from the same website! Yeah. I guess the information is only good when he retrieves it. He is of the belief that the fluoride in our water is at poisonous level and as a side effect encrusts our pineal gland and prevents it from working(whether you believe this or not is not at debate here, just keep in mind that he does). How are people wasting water if he already believes it to be wasted? If anything he should be happy they are dumping it on their heads and not consuming it. Furthermore, for those who complain about water usage why is it taking you until now to address it? Why weren't you complaining about how much water is consumed in showers or baths? As I said before contrarian for contrarian's sake. Complain that social media isn't used to create awareness and then when it is complain about it. [ Insert Scumbag meme here ] I'll end this rant with a quote my friend sent me: "Right, I'm unfollowing anyone who bitches about the Ice Bucket Challenge from here on in. Yes, I'm kind of sick of hearing about it and seeing the videos. Pretty much anything gets tedious, eventually. BUT... The challenge has, indisputably, worked. It's raised many, many millions of dollars of additional donations for research for a disease that is, frankly, utterly horrifying. So when you whine and complain about it, what you are saying is that the terrible, awful inconvenience to you of having to f***ing scroll past videos is more important than actually making the world a better place, if only a little better. You're not, unless challenged, even being asked to DO anything. So the minimal amount of disruption to your day is your priority. You don't care that it's actually, actively helping people. Congratulations, your solipsistic narcissism is what's wrong with the world." [ End Rant Mode ]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 15:37:02 GMT -5
I mean, the videos themselves don't really amuse me but it's made a ton of money for it's cause. Why get upset at something that's actually doing some good in this world, no matter how much you don't "get it"? I'm not even trying to single the OP out, I've just noticed people complaining about this and can't help but wonder why. I think you've misunderstood my post, looking back I can see how that could have been done. I wrote it quickly and lazily without paying much attention to the wording of it. Basically I've been busy recently and haven't been paying attention to news or internet memes or anything. Last week I watched Raw and saw Dean Ambrose throw water on Seth Rollins and say "what? it's for charity", I did see mentions of "ice bucket challenge" on twitter, but it wasn't until I sat at my computer for a long time for the first time in weeks that I logged on to facebook and saw loads of people posting videos of them tipping buckets of water over themselves I started to really wonder about it and what was going on. None of the videos had any mention of the charity that Dean Ambrose mentioned on Raw, neither did any of the comments. At this point I could have just googled it, I didn't, I posted it on here, I didn't really have a long think, I just posted this hence why its written so crappy and is easy to misinterpret. But reading through the vast majority of posts where people all have so much to add that has not only answered my original question but also provided me with interesting extra information, ancedotes and tid bits on the subject I realise I was right to ask here instead of just reading wikipedia
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Aug 26, 2014 16:24:18 GMT -5
Personally I'm loving this ALS bucket challenge. I haven't been nominated yet, If I do I will do it but not before or after But yeah, As long as everybody who does it remembers to donate or it's just pointless.
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Post by keezy on Aug 26, 2014 17:12:15 GMT -5
I liked it at first but when everyone and their mother (judging from my Facebook, literally) are doing it I lose interest. I know "It's for charity" to quote Dean Ambrose, but it has got old.
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Post by Cela on Aug 26, 2014 17:25:31 GMT -5
It's a random challenge that was hijacked by the ALS association. The original idea was just a random charity.
The success comes from it being something really easy to do that their friends will chuckle at/applaud combined with the chain letter aspect.
Buzzfeed has written roughly 30 articles talking about how we need to stop because a celebrity just won it.
Overall from a personal level, I am long past over this, but glad the money may potentially do some good.
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 26, 2014 17:45:52 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with people doing them as long as they're actually donating and not just doing it for attention. Pretty cool concept to raise money.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Aug 26, 2014 17:51:27 GMT -5
I don't either.
Isn't it supposed to be a bucket of ice? Judging from some videos of it I've seen, alot of people don't seem to realize.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2014 18:04:14 GMT -5
I don't either. Isn't it supposed to be a bucket of ice? Judging from some videos of it I've seen, alot of people don't seem to realize. A bucket of ice water not just ice.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2014 18:10:01 GMT -5
[ rant mode activated ] -snip just to save space- Your friend's an idiot.
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Post by Evil Homer on Aug 26, 2014 18:28:59 GMT -5
if anything more of these challenges need tp exist, For cancer, diabetes , heart disaese. Like eat a ghost pepper to raise money - post videos of celebs doing it
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 26, 2014 18:40:53 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100".
The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty.
I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit.
Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2014 18:50:27 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Well I mean there is also the third option of no.
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Post by Stu on Aug 26, 2014 18:58:06 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Who, exactly, is doing the bullying?
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 26, 2014 18:58:58 GMT -5
Pffft, more water is wasted by leaky pipes and poor infrastructure in a single day than 100 years of ice bucket challenges could ever waste.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 19:00:47 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Well I mean there is also the third option of no. which makes you look like an utter dick, so...
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 26, 2014 20:00:41 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Well I mean there is also the third option of no. Except it isn't presented that way at all. And I have seen people say no and end up being harassed relentlessly for it. Hell, I saw some one say they donated but didn't do the bucket because it was a waste of water, and they were verbally abused. My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Who, exactly, is doing the bullying? Who ever does does the challenging. It is chain letter bullying/persuasion.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 26, 2014 20:14:02 GMT -5
Well I mean there is also the third option of no. Except it isn't presented that way at all. And I have seen people say no and end up being harassed relentlessly for it. Hell, I saw some one say they donated but didn't do the bucket because it was a waste of water, and they were verbally abused. Who, exactly, is doing the bullying? Who ever does does the challenging. It is chain letter bullying/persuasion. Yeah, poor able-bodied people with dispensable income. They're clearly the victims of a way to raise awareness for a crippling disease.
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