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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 4:04:06 GMT -5
Except for being the exact same, you are right, not similar at all. You're forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling you get for having everyone watch you be such a wonderful person. You know who I donate to? No, you don't, because I don't f***ing broadcast it. Same here. I have done quite a lot, but outside of some one straight asking me "where do you donate" or the dozen or so time I have created events to raise money/food/clothes or volunteers, I don't say "whoo I just donated/volunteered" I just do it.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 27, 2014 5:25:30 GMT -5
it isn't saying "do it or else". that's my point. A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty. LMAO! You can't be serious man. No words...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 5:26:37 GMT -5
As long as it's raising more funds for a cause that is regularly ignored, I don't care if people want to be patted on the back for engaging in a viral video for their charitable donation.
The ends defines the means in this case, if the videos didn't exist they'd not have raised 40 times the amount they had last year for their cause. Do some people do things to make themselves look better? Yes. Are a few of you saying your giving to charity without raising that point (whilst simultaneously doing so in this very thread) doing it to raise your self opinion/others views of you, be it by accident or on purpose? Yes.
Either way, donating money to a cause is good, and it HAS worked so once more the end defines the means. If people get bothered enough by seeing something relatively positive on the internet it's easy to turn away/go to a different websites/unfollow them from your Facebook feed and such.
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AFN: Judge Shred
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 5:41:10 GMT -5
A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty. LMAO! You can't be serious man. No words... It is the same actions, just the framing is different dude.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 27, 2014 6:15:53 GMT -5
Except for being the exact same, you are right, not similar at all. You're forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling you get for having everyone watch you be such a wonderful person. You know who I donate to? No, you don't, because I don't f***ing broadcast it. Which does a great job of making sure no one even knows about the charity or illness. Raising money is only part of it, a lot of people don't even know what the f*** ALS is, and donations were much higher this year. Doug's a funny guy, but he's got it wrong, in my opinion. That said, it's your cash, you do with it as you please, but getting the word out does make a difference.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 27, 2014 8:03:07 GMT -5
^^ Tru dat. Some people do go public with their charity to bolster their image, but the increased awareness for the causes is a much, much bigger upside.
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 27, 2014 8:03:37 GMT -5
Heh leave it to the social justus warrriahs !! to ruin everything.
And this is the best one I have seen, just watch it. Actually explains funding and says you don't have to donate if you don't want to.
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 27, 2014 8:10:03 GMT -5
it isn't saying "do it or else". that's my point. A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty. I'm sorry, what? If you don't want to donate, you don't have to donate. You're not being shaken down and robbed, nobody's forcing you to donate if you can't afford it/don't want to. Comparing it to assault or theft when you're choosing to do it is silly.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 27, 2014 8:30:10 GMT -5
Doug Stanhope covered this pretty well on his last album, before this was even a thing. His point was, if you have the cash to donate to the cure, just do it, don't make people perform tricks to do it. I'll post the audio again........language warning. There's an argument when people do things like wear pink ribbons without doing anything, sure, but to rail against people raising awareness is just stupid to me. You know how Jonas Salk got the resources to cure polio? From March of Dimes. And you know how they raise money? Public fundraising. Those fun runs, like the ice bucket and all the other things, get people to think about a cause that they otherwise would never think about. The money raised here is proof enough of that, relatively few people would have donated to ALS prior to this, or known/cared about the disease. The simple act of making a challenge out of it raised many times more money than they raised on their own. The events get people to pay attention in a way door to door solicitations or standing outside Walmart with a bucket never do. You just can't say honestly that people think about these things on a regular basis. Donate in private, fantastic, do that. But it's really disingenuous to claim that the public awareness campaigns don't get more people involved. Doug Stanhope may be funny, but taking a comedy bit as real life proof against a charitable endeavor is really off-base. He's wrong, plain and simple. The stats here prove it incontrovertibly.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 27, 2014 10:09:14 GMT -5
What are the rules?
Do you need to wait to be challenged, or can you just randomly decide to do it?
I usually dislike internet trends like planking and twerking and that thing that people did where they did stupid dances holding weird random objects but this one I don't mind. It's doing a good job, helping raise a hell of a lot of money so yeah, go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 10:54:15 GMT -5
There also seems to be a few other view points on this challenge under the banner of bragging.
Argument #1 : Narcissism masked as altruism. Making a video about donating and sharing it publicly is bragging. Bragging about donating to charity defeats the purpose.
Argument #2: There are many people on the planet who are enduring war, famine and violence. To make a video to share on a public forum in which a perceived person with out trauma creates a subtle moment of trauma and finds the end result exhilarating and hilarious is disrespectful. Add to the fact that thousands of Americans are doing the same it appears as if the nation as a whole is making the same boast.
I think the second argument is easier to dismiss than the first because it implies that the people who are truly suffering are also browsing youtube/facebook in their spare time. Then again I guess they don't have to see something in order for that something to be offensive.
( I like to thank everyone for being civil and maintaining an interesting conversation in this thread )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 10:59:51 GMT -5
I don't get amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or how it works.
But I'm not a doctor so, I probably shouldn't.
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Post by twiggy101 on Aug 27, 2014 11:08:18 GMT -5
I like how some people bitch about the waste of water and how it could have gone to countries with no fresh water. Sure, we can use our water for bathing, cleaning and all that crap but god forbid we pour it over our heads.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 27, 2014 11:12:52 GMT -5
I gave because Steph did it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2014 11:14:28 GMT -5
I like how some people bitch about the waste of water and how it could have gone to countries with no fresh water. Sure, we can use our water for bathing, cleaning and all that crap but god forbid we pour it over our heads. It's not like you can ship a bucket of water to places without clean water and the infrastructure required for it either... People talking about doing it in California which is in the middle of a terrible drought have more of a point.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 27, 2014 11:14:34 GMT -5
For a minute there, I thought this thread was the celebration method of pouring ice water out of a bucket or ice chest over your coach after a game victory.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 27, 2014 11:17:33 GMT -5
I like how some people bitch about the waste of water and how it could have gone to countries with no fresh water. Sure, we can use our water for bathing, cleaning and all that crap but god forbid we pour it over our heads. The electricity it takes to post here could have incubated premature orphan babies for days! I've always hated that sort of argument. Yeah, if a bunch of people are dying from thirst 100 yards away and you dump a bucket of tap water on your head... then I get it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 11:24:07 GMT -5
I like how some people bitch about the waste of water and how it could have gone to countries with no fresh water. Sure, we can use our water for bathing, cleaning and all that crap but god forbid we pour it over our heads. It's not like you can ship a bucket of water to places without clean water and the infrastructure required for it either... People talking about doing it in California which is in the middle of a terrible drought have more of a point. Being in a terrible drought for several years like we in AZ have is all the more reason to do it IMO. Doing something for a good cause and cooling yourself off all at once... win-win! So I don't buy the we're in a drought so f*** that argument.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 27, 2014 11:25:27 GMT -5
There also seems to be a few other view points on this challenge under the banner of bragging. Argument #1 : Narcissism masked as altruism. Making a video about donating and sharing it publicly is bragging. Bragging about donating to charity defeats the purpose. Argument #2: There are many people on the planet who are enduring war, famine and violence. To make a video to share on a public forum in which a perceived person with out trauma creates a subtle moment of trauma and finds the end result exhilarating and hilarious is disrespectful. Add to the fact that thousands of Americans are doing the same it appears as if the nation as a whole is making the same boast. I think the second argument is easier to dismiss than the first because it implies that the people who are truly suffering are also browsing youtube/facebook in their spare time. Then again I guess they don't have to see something in order for that something to be offensive. ( I like to thank everyone for being civil and maintaining an interesting conversation in this thread ) I think argument 1 mixes selflessness with charity. They're often related, but they're not the same thing. Charity comes from many sources and many forms, from the unknown benefactor to the well known organization. Neither form is inherently superior at achieving the purpose of charity, which is to benefit a cause that needs it. Bragging about donating doesn't defeat the purpose of donating because the donation still went through. Getting a monetary benefit is what defeats the purpose of charity, and I don't really see that with this case. People aren't using this to promote their own money-making endeavors. As far as the second goes, it's such a nebulous and far-fetched argument it's really impossible for me to take seriously. I think the people that make that are not only guilty of feeling offended for someone else, but really hunting for a reason to criticize an overall positive movement. I don't get amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or how it works. But I'm not a doctor so, I probably shouldn't. Your nervous system is made up of electrically excitable bundles of cells called neurons, and bundles of neurons combine to form nerves. There are two types of neurons, those which carry information from your body to your brain (sensory neurons) and those which carry information from your brain to your muscles to react, called motor neurons. ALS is a disease where these motor neurons break down, which prevents movement from occurring. They usually retain their senses, because information from those is transmitted from the body to the brain via a different set of neurons, but they start to lose their ability to react. First, it's usually the voluntary muscles, but as it progresses it starts to hit the muscles involved in breathing and swallowing. In it's final, most terrifying stages, it can mimic a condition known as locked-in syndrome, where a person has full sensation but no ability to move their body, essentially being in a conscious coma. It's causes are unknown, and it has no cure.
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Post by Sparkybob on Aug 27, 2014 11:27:47 GMT -5
I like how some people bitch about the waste of water and how it could have gone to countries with no fresh water. Sure, we can use our water for bathing, cleaning and all that crap but god forbid we pour it over our heads. The electricity it takes to post here could have incubated premature orphan babies for days! I've always hated that sort of argument. Yeah, if a bunch of people are dying from thirst 100 yards away and you dump a bucket of tap water on your head... then I get it. You can have use your time making that post in setting up a charity to help send food to starving nation. You son of a bitch!
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