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Post by Dat Dude on Aug 26, 2014 18:08:44 GMT -5
There were three men throughout history, for which if you were a white-hot babyface or heel and you entered a program with them, statically you had a great chance of having your momentum stopped and your career setback temporarily. Those three men were: Hulk Hogan Triple H John Cena Rather it be intentional or not, who's booking setback the most careers: Hogan, HHH, or Cena?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 18:09:51 GMT -5
It has to be Cena now. It's becoming a talent roster for an entire company on it's own now. HHH and Hogan only wrecked guys in main event or breaking in but Cena is ruining guys throughout the entire roster.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 26, 2014 18:10:21 GMT -5
I'm something of a Hogan Apologist but there's an argument that several men wouldn't have the careers they did without feuding with Hogan.
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 26, 2014 18:10:41 GMT -5
what's a "fued"?
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Post by ededdneddy on Aug 26, 2014 18:11:58 GMT -5
Cena by far
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Post by Session Moth is over on Aug 26, 2014 18:12:02 GMT -5
Triple H during the reign of terror. The other two were or are the face of the company and the top guy because they deserved it. I say that despite the fact I can't stand Hogan.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2014 18:12:32 GMT -5
Big Show. The other people mentioned at least got to be in main events or other featured matches, and many of them benefited in one way or another.
Big Show, just... how many people have actually benefited from a feud with Big Show, within the last 10 or so years, in the long run? Daniel Bryan as World champion got a good level of heat on him, but other than that, it just doesn't do anyone a favor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 18:14:21 GMT -5
Cena.
With Hogan, if you feuded with him then hey you'd be made and you'd be seen as a star simply because it's Hogan. It allows more eyes on you. That's a positive. It's more a plus for you than a negative for him. Look at Lesnar/Hogan, look at Shawn/Hogan even though Shawn was already established. With Triple H, a large amount of the time he somehow allows himself to look silly or even allows you to get the best of him. He's vulnerable and really makes you look amazing at times even if he's the face. If you can damage the amazing Triple H? You look great. It might just be me but the idea of someone damaging Triple H is a far more impressive feat than someone damaging Hogan or Cena. Also Triple H is seen as the guy who, when you feud with him, you can truly see who you are as a superstar. This was the guy who was the guy who worked with the guy who drew money. If a guy is potentially ready then put him with Triple H and see what he's got. Those Axel matches have to be the largest highlight that'll ever happen to Axel.
With Cena, no matter who he feuds with he will always rise above somehow or, in the event of a loss, end up becoming better. He gets beaten down somehow in every match and feud so unlike with Hogan and Triple H, it doesn't even matter anymore because it's clockwork. We know it. Everyone is like a stepping stone in a Cena feud. They're put there for Cena rather than for the feud. Even Rock moved onto having a better feud with Punk and then lose to Cena again. Bray Wyatt? Look at what happened last night. Rarely few people end up overcoming a Cena feud and if they do then hell, they're amazing. Edge is an example of a guy who overcame it but that's considered by many to be his best feud. Bryan is one guy who overcame but alas it was a step-up for the Authority.
I can't even tell you the names of countless men who have had their careers derailed because of Cena.
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Post by Woo on Aug 26, 2014 18:21:39 GMT -5
Hogan tried to hurt people's pushes, but everyone got over inspite of him. Only Earthquake was really hurt by him, so it's out of the other two.
HHH Careers he hampered: 1) RVD 2) Chris Jericho 3) CM Punk (for a short while) 4) Booker T 5) Kane 6) Goldberg 7) Randy Orton (always came off looking weak compared to HHH) 8) Jeff Hardy (got over in spite of HHH)
John Cena 1) Ryback 2) Wade Barrett 3) Bray Wyatt 4) Edge (you could argue he eventually helped make Edge, but taking the belt off him at the Rumble was a disgrace, though you could blame HHH for that for using Cena to make himself main event) 5) Dolph Ziggler 6) Umaga (Umaga's utterly superb dedication to that character kept him over after the Cena feud) 7) The Miz
It's close, but HHH for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 18:26:45 GMT -5
Hogan tried to hurt people's pushes, but everyone got over inspite of him. Only Earthquake was really hurt by him, so it's out of the other two. HHHCareers he hampered: 1) RVD 2) Chris Jericho 3) CM Punk (for a short while) 4) Booker T 5) Kane 6) Goldberg 7) Randy Orton (always came off looking weak compared to HHH) 8) Jeff Hardy (got over in spite of HHH) John Cena1) Ryback 2) Wade Barrett 3) Bray Wyatt 4) Edge (you could argue he eventually helped make Edge, but taking the belt off him at the Rumble was a disgrace, though you could blame HHH for that for using Cena to make himself main event) 5) Dolph Ziggler 6) Umaga (Umaga's utterly superb dedication to that character kept him over after the Cena feud) 7) The Miz It's close, but HHH for me. You forgot Sandow
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 26, 2014 18:28:27 GMT -5
Honestly Cena gets too much flack for being a "career killer". Bray was actually suffered more from his feud with Jericho. Basically, it was a feud over an empty catchphrase of Jericho with Bray taking it too literal. Umaga was treated like a monster during his feud with Cena. Same for Khali. Cena's match with Sandow wasn't even a feud. Miz was going to suck with or without Cena involved. Punk's feud with Cena elevated both them minus that New Nexus mistake. And Triple H's Reign of Terror was filled with some people who didn't live to the hype. Steiner sucked. Nash sucked. HBK was returning back to form. Booker T was still paying for being in WCW. RVD crushed Trips' throat and lost his push. Goldberg got put over by Hunter big time but people seem to only remember him winning the title back. Hell, he put over Shelton Benjamin twice when Hunter rarely lost a match yet alone 2 in a row. And Hogan is the opposite of a career killer. If you got a program with him, you were going to make money with him in WWF. Only person I can think that suffered was him no selling Vader's power bomb during the time it was THE FINISHER.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 26, 2014 18:32:10 GMT -5
If you teamed with/feuded with Hogan in the 80's and early 90's, you got over. Hogan also made a lot of people rich.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 26, 2014 18:40:05 GMT -5
Cena. You don't even have to be opposing Cena to have your career hurt by him. In WWE's zeal to make Cena the alpha god of WWE, anyone that is put by his side is killed off to make him look better.
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 26, 2014 18:42:08 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has blamed RVD getting busted with pot days after winning the WWE title on Cena.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 26, 2014 18:47:31 GMT -5
Hogan tried to hurt people's pushes, but everyone got over inspite of him. Only Earthquake was really hurt by him, so it's out of the other two. HHHCareers he hampered: 1) RVD 2) Chris Jericho 3) CM Punk (for a short while) 4) Booker T 5) Kane 6) Goldberg 7) Randy Orton (always came off looking weak compared to HHH) 8) Jeff Hardy (got over in spite of HHH) John Cena1) Ryback 2) Wade Barrett 3) Bray Wyatt 4) Edge (you could argue he eventually helped make Edge, but taking the belt off him at the Rumble was a disgrace, though you could blame HHH for that for using Cena to make himself main event) 5) Dolph Ziggler 6) Umaga (Umaga's utterly superb dedication to that character kept him over after the Cena feud) 7) The Miz It's close, but HHH for me. You're gonna have to explain how Hogan killed Earthquake's push, since I remember Quake looking like a million bucks most of the time.
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Post by TGM on Aug 26, 2014 18:47:49 GMT -5
Wait, Bray Wyatt's career is dead now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 18:49:08 GMT -5
Wait, Bray Wyatt's career is dead now? I'm not sure about dead but it's damn sure damaged. Wyatt looks like shit. I read this on a blog which I agree with.
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 26, 2014 18:53:54 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks Bray was easily beaten at WrestleMania has either not seen the match or have no idea what "easily beaten" means.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Aug 26, 2014 19:11:11 GMT -5
Hogan tried to hurt people's pushes, but everyone got over inspite of him. Only Earthquake was really hurt by him, so it's out of the other two. HHHCareers he hampered: 1) RVD 2) Chris Jericho 3) CM Punk (for a short while) 4) Booker T 5) Kane 6) Goldberg 7) Randy Orton (always came off looking weak compared to HHH) 8) Jeff Hardy (got over in spite of HHH) John Cena1) Ryback 2) Wade Barrett 3) Bray Wyatt 4) Edge (you could argue he eventually helped make Edge, but taking the belt off him at the Rumble was a disgrace, though you could blame HHH for that for using Cena to make himself main event) 5) Dolph Ziggler 6) Umaga (Umaga's utterly superb dedication to that character kept him over after the Cena feud) 7) The Miz It's close, but HHH for me. You're gonna have to explain how Hogan killed Earthquake's push, since I remember Quake looking like a million bucks most of the time. I was just thinking that when I read the list. Earthquake must be one of the very few to have a prolonged programme with Hulk yet not taste a pinfall after the Leg Drop.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Aug 26, 2014 19:32:53 GMT -5
Big Show has help ruin two good stables, him and Rey Mysterio when he was healthy
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