TGM
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Post by TGM on Aug 26, 2014 19:36:27 GMT -5
Cena also killed the career of 11 time World champion and WWE Hall of Famer Edge?
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keezy
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Post by keezy on Aug 26, 2014 19:36:27 GMT -5
Of all the pictures to show why did you show Triple H and Eugene? No Booker T? London and Kendrick?
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JTH
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Post by JTH on Aug 26, 2014 19:41:24 GMT -5
Hogan tried to hurt people's pushes, but everyone got over inspite of him. Only Earthquake was really hurt by him, so it's out of the other two. HHHCareers he hampered: 1) RVD 2) Chris Jericho 3) CM Punk (for a short while) 4) Booker T 5) Kane 6) Goldberg 7) Randy Orton (always came off looking weak compared to HHH) 8) Jeff Hardy (got over in spite of HHH) John Cena1) Ryback 2) Wade Barrett 3) Bray Wyatt 4) Edge (you could argue he eventually helped make Edge, but taking the belt off him at the Rumble was a disgrace, though you could blame HHH for that for using Cena to make himself main event) 5) Dolph Ziggler 6) Umaga (Umaga's utterly superb dedication to that character kept him over after the Cena feud) 7) The Miz 8) Jericho (2008 when Chris was World Champion) 9) Lashley 10) Del Rio 11) Ryder 12) Mark Henry 13) Damien SandowIt's close, but HHH for me.
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Dat Dude
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Post by Dat Dude on Aug 26, 2014 19:44:10 GMT -5
Of all the pictures to show why did you show Triple H and Eugene? No Booker T? London and Kendrick? I was about to post the Booker one, but remembered that he did eventually win a world title, while Eugene eventually got released. So Booker recovered, Eugene never did.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Aug 26, 2014 19:56:09 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has blamed RVD getting busted with pot days after winning the WWE title on Cena. It was a few weeks, he even got a PPV defense against Edge. Not much shorter than Edge's first one after cashing in on Cena. And I for one blame Sabu, he should've been keeping an eye out for the fuzz!
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 26, 2014 20:09:11 GMT -5
I'll tell you this much, if I was an up-and-coming heel in today's WWE and they told me I was about to work a program with John Cena, my first response would be "Well, so much for this getting over stuff. At least the checks will be good.".
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Psychoblue
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Post by Psychoblue on Aug 26, 2014 20:20:56 GMT -5
Cena by a country mile. The list of people HHH buried all still found prominent roles later, like RVD being WWE Champion, King Booker, Jericho's return, Jeff Hardy (and if anything, the HHH feud showed that WWE was serious about treating Jeff Hardy as a major player). I think having HHH be shown vulnerable so rarely made anyone who DID damage him considerably more credible by default, like when Tajiri blinded him or when Shelton scored clean pinfalls over him. If you beat HHH clean, it's not by accident: it's to tell the fans that WWE is serious about getting behind you.
Cena has derailed careers up and down the card, sometimes even by association.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2014 20:53:46 GMT -5
Triple H during the reign of terror. The other two were or are the face of the company and the top guy because they deserved it. I say that despite the fact I can't stand Hogan. I'd say this except my reason is different. Triple H has never really been "the guy" the way that Hogan and Cena were, and I thought he did ZERO favors for the title during his 2007-2008 reign. He was still putting on terrible matches and practically rolling his eyes at his opponents. Triple H has always been a pretty lousy face and his time as a heel could have been okay had he not been able to run a muck with him usually getting His title back. It doesn't matter if you put someone over for the title if you turn around and beat them for it again. Cena's had some doozies, especially early on in his career with Christian then Edge...that REALLY pissed me off. He also put an end to Serious Jericho's reign as top heel when he came back out of nowhere and DESTROYED him. And let's not forget in order to put over that shitty STF, they had him survive for f***ing ever in the crossface, but as soon as Benoit was locked in the STF he tapped immediately. It's like Vince and company don't get what makes submission wrestling special. Cena probably is the only guy I can think of who has at least one victory over every main event guy the company has had over the last decade. Alberto Del Rio Batista Big Show Bobby Lashley Booker T Bray Wyatt Brock Lesnar Carlito Chris Benoit Chris Jericho Chris Masters Christian CM Punk Cody Rhodes Damien Sandow (lol) Daniel Bryan Dolph Ziggler Eddie Guerrero Edge The Great Khali JBL John Morrison Kane Kurt Angle Mark Henry Mick Foley The Miz Mr. Kennedy Muhammed Hassan Randy Orton Rey Mysterio The Rock Ryback Shawn Michaels Sheamus Triple H Umaga Undertaker (it was a tag match, but he still pinned him) Wade Barrett William Regal The only ones who might have escaped were Jeff Hardy, RVD and Vince himself...although the latter two guys did face him.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Aug 26, 2014 22:19:45 GMT -5
Easily John Cena.
That guy is like career poison to anyone associated with him on screen. Ryder, Ryback, Wyatt and even AJ Lee to a certain degree are victims of this clown's push. It's like if someone dares become popular...they saddle them with Cena. Only two guys have survived this otherwise career harming disease and both are currently gone from the company. It's to the point where you're associated with Cena for the most part you are royally screwed. This guy's push has done more to harm the quality of the shows and turn fans away than any competition could ever do.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 26, 2014 22:46:23 GMT -5
What career did Hogan ever derail in the first Hulkamania run? Guys he feuded with made a career of it and everyone wanted to be on his cards cause they sold out every night.
Meanwhile, and I am a Cena fan, feuding with him is getting to be a kiss of death. He has killed thd careers of Sandow, Ryback, and now I am starting to agree with Wyatt. He plays the "I do what I am told" card, but he destroyed those guys.
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Post by sonofblaine on Aug 26, 2014 22:58:44 GMT -5
Cena. I know I hate Cena, so it seems a biased answer, but the way I see it, Hogan and Trip have at points in their time ended a program as the loser or at least barely winning and making them and their opponent look good. But when there's a program with Cena, you can with near 100% accuracy say, "Well he'll lose a time or two, but he'll just shrug it off and end the feud as the winner."
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RusevIsGod
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Post by RusevIsGod on Aug 26, 2014 23:11:41 GMT -5
Big Show. The other people mentioned at least got to be in main events or other featured matches, and many of them benefited in one way or another. Big Show, just... how many people have actually benefited from a feud with Big Show, within the last 10 or so years, in the long run? Daniel Bryan as World champion got a good level of heat on him, but other than that, it just doesn't do anyone a favor. Ok you don't know what your talking about. The Big Show is one of the greatest and I think your just jealous of his success. The man has entertained millions for two decades with his feats of strength and any guy he beat just wasn't well, good enough and that's why they lost to him.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 26, 2014 23:15:02 GMT -5
Cena is extremely obvious and my first choice, but I also have to say one that hasn't been mentioned yet, a sleeper pick if you will.
Hornswaggle.
That little F***tard not only ruined Careers like with Chavo Guerrero and anyone associated with him, but he destroyed the entire Cruiserweight Division in the end when they gave him the belt. That little asshole can get booted through a field goal for all I care.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 26, 2014 23:42:40 GMT -5
Cena is extremely obvious and my first choice, but I also have to say one that hasn't been mentioned yet, a sleeper pick if you will. Hornswaggle. That little F***tard not only ruined Careers like with Chavo Guerrero and anyone associated with him, but he destroyed the entire Cruiserweight Division in the end when they gave him the belt. That little asshole can get booted through a field goal for all I care. I don't care for Hornswoggle but it's not his fault that WWE retired the belt. They even stripped him of the title on screen.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 26, 2014 23:55:14 GMT -5
Hogan shouldn't even really be in the conversation as far as WWE is concerned. He MADE careers there.
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Post by angryfan on Aug 27, 2014 0:05:02 GMT -5
Hogan shouldn't even really be in the conversation as far as WWE is concerned. He MADE careers there. Bingo. I'm not a Hogan fan, I think that part is obvious, but damn, if he worked with someone, they were THE MAN for about six months. His "part timer" schedule on TV helped that, of course, but dude would take beat downs and finishers and sell them for MONTHS. Different era, I know, but the other "options" here didn't sell a kayfabe beating for more than two weeks, and you can count those times on one hand between them. If you worked Trips during the RoT, what was the outcome? If he won, you were down the card, if YOU won, you were made fun of, dismissed, and moved down the card. Hell, even in the "I'll prove how to be a heel" thing with Cena, he not only didn't accomplish that goal, he made it worse. Then there's Cena. Yeah, he works hard, but every "it's ok, kids, everything is ok, here are some jokes" promo hurts his opponent. if he doesn't take them seriously, and shrugs off what they do to him, then how are the only fans who (stereotyping, I know)readily and easily suspend disbelief (the kids) take ANYONE not named Cena seriously? Why should they are? Short term, it's fine since they will know Cena's going to win, but what happens when they get bored with that, as will happen. Do you have "lifelong fans" like us who have "the sickness"? No, you've got "It used to be cool, but whatever".
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 27, 2014 0:07:34 GMT -5
It's Cena. The biggest issue with him, besides me personally hating his dumb character, is, he always wins when he should lose and always loses when he should win. They booked him exactly backwards.
I get he's a face and that 99.9% of the time, the face is meant to win the feud and that number goes up to 99.9999999% when he's the main guy until it's time to ride off into the sunset or make others look good.
As soon as a heel gets a little bit over, he's shoved into a feud with Cena, Cena clobbers him in the ring for 6 months of a "feud" and there's no up and coming heels left, so they stick the title on him and have him run through the main event guys one more time.
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Aug 27, 2014 0:11:43 GMT -5
Big Show. The other people mentioned at least got to be in main events or other featured matches, and many of them benefited in one way or another. Big Show, just... how many people have actually benefited from a feud with Big Show, within the last 10 or so years, in the long run? Daniel Bryan as World champion got a good level of heat on him, but other than that, it just doesn't do anyone a favor. Ok you don't know what your talking about. The Big Show is one of the greatest and I think your just jealous of his success. The man has entertained millions for two decades with his feats of strength and any guy he beat just wasn't well, good enough and that's why they lost to him. Seemed like he wasn't very successful with those strip malls though....
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Post by slaughterama on Aug 27, 2014 0:32:51 GMT -5
Hogan MADE a ton of people. Hogan was so ridiculously over, it didn't matter who you were, if you got a program with him, you were gold and people bought it. The guy made people LOVE Hillbilly Jim for crying out loud. Whether he was feuding with big names like Piper, Andre, Savage, or Warrior, none of them came out of looking like garbage. And guys like Bad News Brown, Bundy, Bossman, Earthquake, etc. all hung around the upper portion of the card after feuding with Hogan because he made them look like legit threats.
Triple H did absolutely bury several guys, but he did his fair share of helping some guys as well. Thing is, Triple H was never really THE guy, no matter how he hard he tried to book himself as it. There were always guys like Austin, or Rock, or HBK, or Taker lurking on the card that were always going to be bigger than him no matter what. And that there was a hugely loaded roster at his time on top took a bit of the sting away from him cutting his weekly 20 minute promos and lopsided feuds.
Cena is THE GUY, and rarely does anyone get over on him. And whether it's his doing, or Vince's, anyone that seems to get on any sort of roll organically, ultimately gets put in a program with him, and he is always the one getting booked as the clear benefactor at the end. That he doesn't have the ability, or desire, to consistently build his opponents up in his promos makes matters worse. For every 5 minute promo he cuts where he takes his challenger seriously, it still all about him and how he'll overcome the odds. Other than that 5 minute promo in his "super serious" tone, you get 30 minutes worth of him cutting up his opponent, photo shops, and poop jokes. With the undercard being tired and constantly held back, it sticks out even more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 0:35:31 GMT -5
Big Show. The other people mentioned at least got to be in main events or other featured matches, and many of them benefited in one way or another. Big Show, just... how many people have actually benefited from a feud with Big Show, within the last 10 or so years, in the long run? Daniel Bryan as World champion got a good level of heat on him, but other than that, it just doesn't do anyone a favor. Ok you don't know what your talking about. The Big Show is one of the greatest and I think your just jealous of his success. The man has entertained millions for two decades with his feats of strength and any guy he beat just wasn't well, good enough and that's why they lost to him. wut
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