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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 26, 2014 23:05:08 GMT -5
Not looking forward to "LOLZ REIGNS WINZ" really. Not at all. I'm shocked that some people deny he's been overpushed and shoved in everybodies faces. I mean, it's blatant. He always has to stand tall at the end, look strong and win. Faces need to be vulnerable to add tension and get people supporting them. It's like WWE forgets how to do this. When The Rock was in his big babyface run, he got his ass kicked all the time. Not just a little bit either, like his opponent for the upcoming PPV would attack him and just beat the everloving shit out of the guy. Yeah, he'd then either win at the PPV or lose via shenanigans, but with Reigns it's: 1) Win on RAW 2) Win on SmackDown 3) Win on RAW 4) Win on SmackDown 5) Win on RAW 6) Win on SmackDown 7) Win on RAW 8) Get beat up on RAW 9) Win on SmackDown 10) Win decisively on PPV Compelling!!!
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Post by Shark on Aug 26, 2014 23:09:30 GMT -5
I was there and I don't recall this happening. Paige spit the candy at AJ. Granted I had a 6'8 Sasquatch standing in front of me, but I don't believe AJ ate the candy Paige spit out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 23:10:48 GMT -5
Not looking forward to "LOLZ REIGNS WINZ" really. Not at all. I'm shocked that some people deny he's been overpushed and shoved in everybodies faces. I mean, it's blatant. He always has to stand tall at the end, look strong and win. Faces need to be vulnerable to add tension and get people supporting them. Completely agree 100%. I don't get why some people are fine with it. This is basically what we're going to be seeing for the next decade if Reigns ends up becoming "the guy" and this, nah, can't rock with it. Why? Because he's "this type" of wrestler.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 26, 2014 23:12:20 GMT -5
It's like WWE forgets how to do this. When The Rock was in his big babyface run, he got his ass kicked all the time. Not just a little bit either, like his opponent for the upcoming PPV would attack him and just beat the everloving shit out of the guy. Yeah, he'd then either win at the PPV or lose via shenanigans, but with Reigns it's: 1) Win on RAW 2) Win on SmackDown 3) Win on RAW 4) Win on SmackDown 5) Win on RAW 6) Win on SmackDown 7) Win on RAW 8) Get beat up on RAW 9) Win on SmackDown 10) Win decisively on PPV Compelling!!! Yep, a more recent example can be Bryan. He got beat up every week. In fact some said he was looking too weak but his booking was excellent imo. Made him into a complete underdog that the WWE told us didn't have a chance which got the crowd supporting him to see him win. It was compelling to watch Bryan because he was vulnerable. He didn't shrug off an RKO, hit the Knee Plus and then smile smugly or beat 2 men in a handicap match. He looked like he could be beaten so there was tension and drama.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 26, 2014 23:15:26 GMT -5
Not looking forward to "LOLZ REIGNS WINZ" really. Not at all. I'm shocked that some people deny he's been overpushed and shoved in everybodies faces. I mean, it's blatant. He always has to stand tall at the end, look strong and win. Faces need to be vulnerable to add tension and get people supporting them. Honestly, I don't have a problem with him winning all the time and constantly standing tall. After seeing so much yo-yo, even steven booking bullshit, I'm fine with a guy being booked uber-strong above most of the roster. That's how you create stars. If he's gonna be THE GUY like WWE wants him to be, he needs to win most of the time. Don't get me wrong, him beating two guys in a fair fight is pretty damn ridiculous but I'd rather have a point being driven home too strongly instead of not enough. Over-pushed would imply that people are rejecting him which isn't even close to true if you listen to the live crowds. It's fine to not like what they are doing with him or this style of booking but from an objective standpoint, the push is going well right now. Maybe it'll go to shit later but Roman is in good shape right now. All of that being said, Roman does need to take a beating soon so he can actually have something to chase and be somewhat sympathetic.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2014 23:17:33 GMT -5
I love how dopey WWE is. Yeah, let's follow up a Reigns segment with Rollins right after that. They'll win their matches without the involvement of each other, especially after they both tried to kill eachother on Raw. Yep...not a big deal a couple days later. I guess Rollins got to the arena just as Reigns got his win and Reigns was busy during Rollins' match.
I guess Rollins isn't a big enough fish for Reigns to focus on. Maybe Monday is all we're getting. That would be funny if that's it.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 26, 2014 23:28:05 GMT -5
I love how dopey WWE is. Yeah, let's follow up a Reigns segment with Rollins right after that. They'll win their matches without the involvement of each other, especially after they both tried to kill eachother on Raw. Yep...not a big deal a couple days later. I guess Rollins got to the arena just as Reigns got his win and Reigns was busy during Rollins' match. I guess Rollins isn't a big enough fish for Reigns to focus on. Maybe Monday is all we're getting. That would be funny if that's it. I still don't understand the way they've booked Reigns' reaction (or lack of) to Rollins' betrayal. Roman should want his damned head on a stick.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2014 23:33:27 GMT -5
Vince is an idiot, that's why.
I guess his logic is the fans don't care about a match that had story to it (despite Ambrose and Rollins proving otherwise) when they could have a match with just big names and zero substance.
The product has done so much to destroy long term booking over the course of the last 10 years, it's pathetic.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 26, 2014 23:37:41 GMT -5
I'm shocked that some people deny he's been overpushed and shoved in everybodies faces. I mean, it's blatant. He always has to stand tall at the end, look strong and win. Faces need to be vulnerable to add tension and get people supporting them. Honestly, I don't have a problem with him winning all the time and constantly standing tall. After seeing so much yo-yo, even steven booking bullshit, I'm fine with a guy being booked uber-strong above most of the roster. That's how you create stars. If he's gonna be THE GUY like WWE wants him to be, he needs to win most of the time. Don't get me wrong, him beating two guys in a fair fight is pretty damn ridiculous but I'd rather have a point being driven home too strongly instead of not enough. Over-pushed would imply that people are rejecting him which isn't even close to true if you listen to the live crowds. It's fine to not like what they are doing with him or this style of booking but from an objective standpoint, the push is going well right now. Maybe it'll go to shit later but Roman is in good shape right now. All of that being said, Roman does need to take a beating soon so he can actually have something to chase and be somewhat sympathetic. I agree with you that that's the way to create stars. But I wish they just did it with someone who had everything together, or they waited until Reigns had everything together However, I feel like there's really nothing wrong with "even steven" booking in certain cases. If people didn't trade wins, then you end up with one guy losing all the time. Then they randomly get one win on Superstars or Main Event, and that guy looks bad because he looks like a "jobber to other jobbers". It looks like "everyone's allowed to beat him except you". He's overpushed because he's not ready and there are better options. Roman's push "going to shit" shouldn't be a possibility. They should be waiting until he's been seasoned before throwing him out there.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 26, 2014 23:52:17 GMT -5
It's like WWE forgets how to do this. When The Rock was in his big babyface run, he got his ass kicked all the time. Not just a little bit either, like his opponent for the upcoming PPV would attack him and just beat the everloving shit out of the guy. Yeah, he'd then either win at the PPV or lose via shenanigans, but with Reigns it's: 1) Win on RAW 2) Win on SmackDown 3) Win on RAW 4) Win on SmackDown 5) Win on RAW 6) Win on SmackDown 7) Win on RAW 8) Get beat up on RAW 9) Win on SmackDown 10) Win decisively on PPV Compelling!!! Yep, a more recent example can be Bryan. He got beat up every week. In fact some said he was looking too weak but his booking was excellent imo. Made him into a complete underdog that the WWE told us didn't have a chance which got the crowd supporting him to see him win. It was compelling to watch Bryan because he was vulnerable. He didn't shrug off an RKO, hit the Knee Plus and then smile smugly or beat 2 men in a handicap match. He looked like he could be beaten so there was tension and drama. And even then, it was established that the Authority could only get the one-up on Bryan due to the Numbers Game, cheap tricks, and never with a fair fight. When the situation was on even ground, Bryan prevailed more often than not.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Aug 27, 2014 2:38:02 GMT -5
Ah, the rumoured "Sheamus wants to kick Miz in the face but Miz doesn't want to get kicked in the face" feud has begun. I look forward to the deep, layered storytelling.
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Post by Session Moth is over on Aug 27, 2014 3:21:45 GMT -5
Big Show/Henry such a young exciting tag team who have not being doing the same thing since the 90's beat the Wyatt family again. I mean why wouldn't we want to see these guys as the top tag team in the WWE? Why would fans look to see something new and refreshing?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 3:45:39 GMT -5
WWE doesn't seem to get that heroes are supposed to struggle, or have adversity to overcome. You can see it in basically every feud going on right now, other than the Rusev / Swagger one where they refuse to give that its proper payoff despite being long past the point to do so, that struggle is what makes someone worth rooting for. What's the appeal of a story like, say, the Cena / Bray feud where, and they had to know this was going to run for months when they started it, Cena shrugged off most of what he did early on and overcame the mind games by Mania, then overcame them again to win the match there, then mocked Bray every week, then only lost after kicking his whole stable's ass several times in one match, then he came out on top every week again before winning the blowoff?
That's not interesting. There is no drama in that. It's almost like Vince saw a bad Raven / Dreamer match once and decided to always book the complete opposite of their feud as a result.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 27, 2014 4:00:29 GMT -5
I love how the same posters that hate parity booking also hate Reigns' "I always win" booking or Cesaro's "I always lose" booking.
It's gotta be one of the three guys.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2014 4:19:55 GMT -5
I love how the same posters that hate parity booking also hate Reigns' "I always win" booking or Cesaro's "I always lose" booking. It's gotta be one of the three guys. It's all three really. Wrestlers should not always win. Wrestlers should not always lose. Two wrestlers should not be stuck in a series of matches where Wrestler A beats Wrestler B in a match on RAW, and then Wrestler B immediately gets his win back on Main Event, SmackDown or the following week's RAW. Wrestlers should in general look strong at all times so that it means more when they job. Part of the reason why I advocate giving lower level wrestlers more time on RAW and SD is so that guys like Cesaro can have people to beat and not lose so much, and guys like Reigns can have their I WIN booking without hurting anyone with any substantial upside.
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Post by Dean F'n Ambrose on Aug 27, 2014 4:48:51 GMT -5
Looks so boring without Ambrose on the show.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Aug 27, 2014 5:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 27, 2014 7:09:37 GMT -5
Punk is such a miserly guy, it's spread to his wife. You don't waste food, even if another girl spat it out.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 27, 2014 7:27:46 GMT -5
Judging by that, I'm not sure she ate the one that was spit out. It looked like she may have just eaten one from the box.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 27, 2014 7:48:48 GMT -5
Babyface New New Nation?
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