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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 28, 2014 2:07:37 GMT -5
Cause if someone is gonna job, might as well be someone that's not Damien Sandow.
I would have Rusev destroy four random jobbers named after US Territories like Ryback used to do. Let Slater Gator get a win over two random jobbers so they have some credibility. If Adam Rose is gonna be used at all, let him beat a jobber no one knows so no one changes the channel.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Aug 28, 2014 2:11:43 GMT -5
Cause if someone is gonna job, might as well be someone that's not Damien Sandow. I would have Rusev destroy four random jobbers named after US Territories like Ryback used to do. Let Slater Gator get a win over two random jobbers so they have some credibility. If Adam Rose is gonna be used at all, let him beat a jobber no one knows so no one changes the channel. Look no further ! On the WWE Network you can watch Dolph Ziggler and other Jobbers wrestle the WWE SUPERSTARS for only $9.99 !!!!!!! Why are you still reading this  Buy it now !!!!! |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Aug 28, 2014 2:16:17 GMT -5
Use the guys from NXT. These guys come in with a gimmick that most of the audience doesn't know and get wins upon debut to no reaction, then get depushed when management gives up on them. Bring them in as job guys to get used to working in front of bigger crowds and with better wrestlers to teach them on the job. Then re-debut them when they have a real plan for these guys.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 28, 2014 2:16:40 GMT -5
No. I feel if WWE brought back jobbers at this current point, it would just make the lower end of the roster "expendable". They wouldn't be used to put over Slater Gator. WWE would come to some weird rationalization that they don't need those guys anymore. There's nothing wrong with main roster talents jobbing. The problem is when they do nothing but job and are made to look incompetent and worthless. Midcard wrestlers need to have competitive matches against each other so that when one of them does job, it means more. Also all losses should be competitive, not squashes. Use the guys from NXT. These guys come in with a gimmick that most of the audience doesn't know and get wins upon debut to no reaction, then get depushed when management gives up on them. Bring them in as job guys to get used to working in front of bigger crowds and with better wrestlers to teach them on the job. Then re-debut them when they have a real plan for these guys. I agree with this. All newer talents should start at the bottom and earn their pushes by impressing the office and getting over with the fans. This way wrestlers can work their way up the midcard the old fashioned way instead of guys getting shoved into the main event and peaking too soon because there's nothing to work their way up from. |
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 28, 2014 2:20:30 GMT -5
Use the guys from NXT. These guys come in with a gimmick that most of the audience doesn't know and get wins upon debut to no reaction, then get depushed when management gives up on them. Bring them in as job guys to get used to working in front of bigger crowds and with better wrestlers to teach them on the job. Then re-debut them when they have a real plan for these guys. See the problem with that is, if you see Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn jobbing to Bo Dallas and Jack Swagger, when you watch NXT you'll just be like "WTF these guys suck, they lost to Fandango and they're competing for the NXT title? No wonder Tyson Kidd is feuding with them, least he stands a chance!" Of course if you use someone who's a loser like Angelo Dawkins, it's not a problem. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 28, 2014 2:20:57 GMT -5
No
Jobber matches for the most part suck. They're ok if the person doing the squashing is just flat out destroying jobbers like Ryback did. But when you've got a slow, methodical, plodding hoss just using lame punches, chokeholds and basic body slams they're shit.
Just have less matches on Raw but make them competitive and longer. Instead of Sandow getting beat in 30 seconds, have him lose but at least put on a somewhat competitive performance. That way every guy on the roster is somewhat credible and all can believably step up to a title feud if needs be. Now, I couldn't take Sandow seriously. But I can take Cesaro seriously because even though he's been on a losing streak he has looked somewhat competitive so it's believable for him to start winning again.
Longer, good, competitive matches will do more for both guys than seeing a pointless, by-the-numbers 3 minute squash.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 28, 2014 2:22:54 GMT -5
Use the guys from NXT. These guys come in with a gimmick that most of the audience doesn't know and get wins upon debut to no reaction, then get depushed when management gives up on them. Bring them in as job guys to get used to working in front of bigger crowds and with better wrestlers to teach them on the job. Then re-debut them when they have a real plan for these guys. See the problem with that is, if you see Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn jobbing to Bo Dallas and Jack Swagger, when you watch NXT you'll just be like "WTF these guys suck, they lost to Fandango and they're competing for the NXT title? No wonder Tyson Kidd is feuding with them, least he stands a chance!" Of course if you use someone who's a loser like Angelo Dawkins, it's not a problem. That's why you make them look strong in a loss rather than outright squashing them. Also I think Zayn or Neville could work as "protected" jobbers who don't lose to anyone below upper midcard. Like they'd only be jobbing to Miz or Rollins. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 28, 2014 2:24:32 GMT -5
It's either that or go with Japanese-style midcard six-man tags and/or ROH-style random fatal fourways. (But given that WWE still tries and fails to promote fatal fourways as something special...)
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Aug 28, 2014 2:24:59 GMT -5
Use the guys from NXT. These guys come in with a gimmick that most of the audience doesn't know and get wins upon debut to no reaction, then get depushed when management gives up on them. Bring them in as job guys to get used to working in front of bigger crowds and with better wrestlers to teach them on the job. Then re-debut them when they have a real plan for these guys. See the problem with that is, if you see Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn jobbing to Bo Dallas and Jack Swagger, when you watch NXT you'll just be like "WTF these guys suck, they lost to Fandango and they're competing for the NXT title? No wonder Tyson Kidd is feuding with them, least he stands a chance!" Of course if you use someone who's a loser like Angelo Dawkins, it's not a problem. yea but like i said, use them as job guys until you have a plan for them, then re-debut them. They don't even have to use their nxt names. They did this all of the time in the past, why they can't do it now is beyond me. |
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 28, 2014 2:26:55 GMT -5
Yes, the roster is small now and so many guys who have been champions before are made out to be losers by jobbing in under a minute. Not every match needs to be Superstar vs. Jobber, but a couple on TV every week would not hurt and would be better than someone like Cesaro losing for weeks on end.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Aug 28, 2014 2:28:00 GMT -5
Use the guys from NXT. These guys come in with a gimmick that most of the audience doesn't know and get wins upon debut to no reaction, then get depushed when management gives up on them. Bring them in as job guys to get used to working in front of bigger crowds and with better wrestlers to teach them on the job. Then re-debut them when they have a real plan for these guys. See the problem with that is, if you see Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn jobbing to Bo Dallas and Jack Swagger, when you watch NXT you'll just be like "WTF these guys suck, they lost to Fandango and they're competing for the NXT title? No wonder Tyson Kidd is feuding with them, least he stands a chance!" Of course if you use someone who's a loser like Angelo Dawkins, it's not a problem. Yeah, I would pick guys/girls who are still at least a couple of months from being considered for main roster. To go with an extreme example, I don't think it would be smart to have a Bray Wyatt before joining the roster playing a jobber role, just because of his character role but someone middle of the card on NXT, sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 2:31:07 GMT -5
I saw the thread title and knew exactly how this thread was going to go down. Like clockwork ya'll. Like clockwork.
I, for one, wish for the return of local enhancement talent matches.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 28, 2014 2:34:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I miss seeing Ryder on my TV.
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Post by Dean F'n Ambrose on Aug 28, 2014 2:36:02 GMT -5
I actually thought about this yesterday and was going to make a post like this, I absolutely think they should bring back jobbers like that. Why should guys who are 4-5 time champions like Kofi have to job to Rusev etc?
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 28, 2014 2:46:25 GMT -5
See the problem with that is, if you see Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn jobbing to Bo Dallas and Jack Swagger, when you watch NXT you'll just be like "WTF these guys suck, they lost to Fandango and they're competing for the NXT title? No wonder Tyson Kidd is feuding with them, least he stands a chance!" Of course if you use someone who's a loser like Angelo Dawkins, it's not a problem. yea but like i said, use them as job guys until you have a plan for them, then re-debut them. They don't even have to use their nxt names. They did this all of the time in the past, why they can't do it now is beyond me. It's because WWE is promoting the Network and their main show on it is NXT so they can't just say "Hey guys, that's not Tyler Breeze that's Spongebro Fluffypants and he's gonna face Big E next!" Having him job there when he's somewhat credible on NXT will hurt his character to those that watch. That's why I agree with the other poster, just choose guys no one plans on using for the main roster like Buddy Murphy or Wesley Blake. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Aug 28, 2014 2:48:23 GMT -5
yea but like i said, use them as job guys until you have a plan for them, then re-debut them. They don't even have to use their nxt names. They did this all of the time in the past, why they can't do it now is beyond me. It's because WWE is promoting the Network and their main show on it is NXT so they can't just say "Hey guys, that's not Tyler Breeze that's Spongebro Fluffypants and he's gonna face Big E next!" Having him job there when he's somewhat credible on NXT will hurt his character to those that watch. That's why I agree with the other poster, just choose guys no one plans on using for the main roster like Buddy Murphy or Wesley Blake. But how big is the audience for nxt? I get the feeling that most of the people who watch or attend WWE events don't watch nxt, even though it's available on the network. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 28, 2014 2:48:53 GMT -5
While I can't see any other way than this for people to get their desire of EVERYONE on the roster looking strong, unfortunately I don't think WWE are willing take the possible ratings and attendance hit.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 28, 2014 2:51:07 GMT -5
Ryback destroying jobbers got him absurdly over. Why haven't they tried that again with anyone else?
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Post by BigWill on Aug 28, 2014 2:51:40 GMT -5
Damien Sandow is a jobber, isn't he?
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 28, 2014 2:55:00 GMT -5
It's because WWE is promoting the Network and their main show on it is NXT so they can't just say "Hey guys, that's not Tyler Breeze that's Spongebro Fluffypants and he's gonna face Big E next!" Having him job there when he's somewhat credible on NXT will hurt his character to those that watch. That's why I agree with the other poster, just choose guys no one plans on using for the main roster like Buddy Murphy or Wesley Blake. But how big is the audience for nxt? I get the feeling that most of the people who watch or attend WWE events don't watch nxt, even though it's available on the network. Considering how heavy they push the network, they're going to have to go into each arena with the hopes that everyone watches NXT or else they're failing by not getting subscriptions. Also as added benefit of using the NXT jobbers is that when they're jobbing on NXT too, Brennan can bring up how Scott Dawson lasted three whole minutes against Mark Henry so he comes off as a bigger threat when he jobs to CJ Parker in a more competitive match. |
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