silverplaquevii
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Post by silverplaquevii on Aug 28, 2014 5:38:38 GMT -5
WWE.COM (via WNS)
Paul Heyman revealed to WWE.com, why he picked Shane Douglas for the birth of the original ECW.
"Shane Douglas's work in the first 11 months as The Franchise of ECW was so groundbreaking. He made people forget about his on-air persona in WCW and successfully reinvented himself as The Franchise in ECW. He became a homegrown talent in the same way The Public Enemy, Tommy Dreamer and Joey Styles were recognized as homegrown talent. Though the term ECW Original wasn't in vogue during August 1994, he was certainly accepted by that audience with the branding stamp of ECW across his persona."
So that's why Extreme CW was basically Eastern before Tod Gordon left.
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Post by RusevIsGod on Aug 28, 2014 6:14:54 GMT -5
ECW was a boring promotion, it all went downhill after they lost 911 and Bam Bam. What's the point of having a promotion if you don't have big men?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 28, 2014 6:18:29 GMT -5
ECW was a boring promotion, it all went downhill after they lost 911 and Bam Bam. What's the point of having a promotion if you don't have big men? RUSEV!
TROOOOOOLL!!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 28, 2014 6:19:08 GMT -5
And Shane Douglas is doing pretty well for himself now- Oh wait a minute...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 28, 2014 7:35:31 GMT -5
And Shane Douglas is doing pretty well for himself now- Oh wait a minute... Didn't he swear that he wouldn't book himself on main events again after the extreme reunion debacle? He did it again on Pittsburgh against Matt Hardy. It's sad that Shane became what he hated, the old washed up guy putting himself over.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 28, 2014 7:38:46 GMT -5
ECW was a boring promotion, it all went downhill after they lost 911 and Bam Bam. What's the point of having a promotion if you don't have big men? USA! USA! USA!
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Post by Digital Witness on Aug 28, 2014 7:52:32 GMT -5
And Shane Douglas is doing pretty well for himself now- Oh wait a minute... Didn't he swear that he wouldn't book himself on main events again after the extreme reunion debacle? He did it again on Pittsburgh against Matt Hardy. It's sad that Shane became what he hated, the old washed up guy putting himself over. The only thing I got is that Douglas is from Pittsburgh. Perhaps that was a one off.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 28, 2014 7:54:10 GMT -5
ECW was a boring promotion, it all went downhill after they lost 911 and Bam Bam. What's the point of having a promotion if you don't have big men? Oh good, a gimmick troll.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Aug 28, 2014 7:56:44 GMT -5
ECW was a boring promotion, it all went downhill after they lost 911 and Bam Bam. What's the point of having a promotion if you don't have big men?
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 28, 2014 9:06:13 GMT -5
I have never understood Heyman's obsession with Shane Douglas. In fact I've often thought Heyman had a great overall booking mind but a lousy mind when it came to recognizing main event talent. What is it about Douglas that makes him a standout talent? Aside from the ability to cut ultra profane promos I've never seen much main event level about the guy. He wasn't enough of a brawler to mix it up with the violent ECW crew (Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu, etc.). But he really wasn't a good enough technician to mix it up with the Malenkos and Guerreros either.
The irony of Heyman's statement is that I actually prefer Douglas' 1992-93 WCW work. He was a perfectly solid tag wrestler with Steamboat and had several really good matches where his limitations could be masked.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 28, 2014 9:20:49 GMT -5
Shane Douglas was one of those heels where even to this day I can't fathom why anyone would even consider cheering for him. He was that obnoxious beyond belief.
I guess that was his goal, seeing him get his was a lot of fun, but still.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 28, 2014 9:21:18 GMT -5
I have never understood Heyman's obsession with Shane Douglas. In fact I've often thought Heyman had a great overall booking mind but a lousy mind when it came to recognizing main event talent. What is it about Douglas that makes him a standout talent? Aside from the ability to cut ultra profane promos I've never seen much main event level about the guy. He wasn't enough of a brawler to mix it up with the violent ECW crew (Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu, etc.). But he really wasn't a good enough technician to mix it up with the Malenkos and Guerreros either. The irony of Heyman's statement is that I actually prefer Douglas' 1992-93 WCW work. He was a perfectly solid tag wrestler with Steamboat and had several really good matches where his limitations could be masked. Because, ok he wasn't as good technician as Malenko and those guys, but he cut better promos, he was a better worker than the brawlers, overall he was the best guy to put the title at that time, he also had the fans respect because of the legendary triple threat he had with Funk and Sabu. Shane's biggest enemy is himself, even Mick Foley, his close friend and the guy he broke in the business with, said that Shane's own decisions f***ed his career up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 10:11:55 GMT -5
Does every sentence written about wrestling on any other site require a thread here?
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 28, 2014 13:32:11 GMT -5
Therein lies Douglas' problem. He really couldn't cut a decent promo without a ton of profanity, which limited him on a national basis. The Franchise character couldn't even have existed in the Attitude Era. He was that profane and overbearing.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Aug 28, 2014 14:01:09 GMT -5
Uhhh...I seem to recall plenty of his promos not involving R-rated profanities. I thought he was a damn good mix of a better-than-decent wrestler who could also cut a slightly-better-than-average promo. Also, saying he couldn't have existed in the attitude era is asinine. The Dudleys were just as profane in their ECW promos as Douglas, if not more so, and they thrived in WWE at the end(ish) of the attitude era.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 28, 2014 14:25:43 GMT -5
I've always thought that Shane was good but the problem was he wasn't anywhere near as good as he thought he was.
He is not the only person with this problem in wrestling though.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Aug 28, 2014 19:31:31 GMT -5
Shane never gets the credit that he deserves for his work and impact on ECW. When he came in, ECW had guys like Eddie Gilbert, Don Muraco, Tito Santana, Snuka, Chris Michaels, Jimmy Jannetty, Johnny Hotbody and Sandman (in a surfer outfit) at the top of their roster. Shane was young, in great shape and hungry to prove that he could be more than what he was given in WCW. He gave everything he possibly could and carried the first 3-way dance as the only guy out of the three who actually wrestled the entire 60 minutes. He didn't have much to work with at the time in terms of opponents, but he did well with what they had. He was a mechanic in the ring and carried the roster before guys like Raven, Taz, RVD and Sabu were ready for the top spots.
I don't know if it's because of HBK and Flair's critical comments or because the WWE never gives him the credit for his contributions to ECW, but Shane Douglas deserves beter when it comes to the history of ECW.
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