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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 10, 2014 8:33:50 GMT -5
He already killed Eli so he is probably a dead man walking. I don't see how him killing Eli is relevant to if he kills Unser or not. Juice killed Miles very suddenly only to stop him from doing the same to Juice. Juice killed Eli in haste to protect Gemma. The fact that Unser is tied up and not dead is all the proof Juice we need that Juice doesn't kill him. Juice will flee and Unser will recount seeing him there. Juice is the only person who knows the truth about Tara. He will either tell Unser or when the club do catch up to him he will admit it then. After killing him anyway Jax will sit on this confession for a while before discovering that it's true. I once thought Juice was the Horatio of this interpretation, but Sutter said last night in jest that, Jax isn't Hamlet anymore. I think that tonally Sons still is, and that everyone will die, but comparisons to Hamlet may just end there now. I'm not saying killing Eli has anything to do with what Juice will do to Unser, I'm just saying Juice probably won't survive this final season. That is what I meant....I was saying Juice is basically a dead man walking.
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Post by Juice on Sept 10, 2014 8:56:11 GMT -5
I don't see how him killing Eli is relevant to if he kills Unser or not. Juice killed Miles very suddenly only to stop him from doing the same to Juice. Juice killed Eli in haste to protect Gemma. The fact that Unser is tied up and not dead is all the proof Juice we need that Juice doesn't kill him. Juice will flee and Unser will recount seeing him there. Juice is the only person who knows the truth about Tara. He will either tell Unser or when the club do catch up to him he will admit it then. After killing him anyway Jax will sit on this confession for a while before discovering that it's true. I once thought Juice was the Horatio of this interpretation, but Sutter said last night in jest that, Jax isn't Hamlet anymore. I think that tonally Sons still is, and that everyone will die, but comparisons to Hamlet may just end there now. I'm not saying killing Eli has anything to do with what Juice will do to Unser, I'm just saying Juice probably won't survive this final season. That is what I meant....I was saying Juice is basically a dead man walking. Yes, though I do have hope that he will make it as the Horatio of the bunch. Logically though his death seems imminent
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 10, 2014 11:39:49 GMT -5
Wow! I complained last year about the length of the episodes, but I had no idea the premier was going to be 2 and a half hours (with commercials). Hell, that's a movie!
I just finished the first hour! Only an hour and a half to go!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 10, 2014 11:51:21 GMT -5
Wow! I complained last year about the length of the episodes, but I had no idea the premier was going to be 2 and a half hours (with commercials). Hell, that's a movie! I just finished the first hour! Only an hour and a half to go! It's actually an hour and 45 minutes....the rest of that time is used for the Anarchy Afterword
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Post by LastCall on Sept 10, 2014 12:31:03 GMT -5
Damn the ending was pretty gruesome. Based on that, it's gonna be interesting to see what Jax does when he finds out the truth.
And I'll predict a relatively low body count for the MC. I'll say only two, maybe three members bite it. No particular reasons. Just a hunch.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 10, 2014 12:45:31 GMT -5
Whoa! That was gruesome! It's amazing how far cable shows can go with violence. I wouldn't be surprised if scenes from this episode will later be used in a documentary or special illustrating how far violence can go on TV compared to nudity/sex.
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Post by Facetious on Sept 10, 2014 13:10:08 GMT -5
Stop with the musical montages, please. Otherwise, it was a good episode.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 13:16:21 GMT -5
Gemma's plot armor is completely ridiculous. *Spoilered just in case* {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Jax knew she was going to Tara's house and that she was furious due to a misunderstanding. Not only that, but Gemma's DNA is presumably all over the crime scene, including ON TARA'S CORPSE since they, y'know, got into a fistfight. And despite all this, the police somehow have no leads, and Jax immediately believes some story Gemma tells about the Chinese, apparently because he's a gigantic idiot. This is gonna' be such a frustrating season, Christ.
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Post by LastCall on Sept 10, 2014 13:26:41 GMT -5
Also, WTF is up with that scene with the pastors?
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Sept 10, 2014 13:48:58 GMT -5
Charlie's real voice sounds like a bad American actor trying to do an English accent. You know..like Costner in Robin Hood or something.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 10, 2014 13:50:03 GMT -5
Gemma's plot armor is completely ridiculous. *Spoilered just in case* {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Jax knew she was going to Tara's house and that she was furious due to a misunderstanding. Not only that, but Gemma's DNA is presumably all over the crime scene, including ON TARA'S CORPSE since they, y'know, got into a fistfight. And despite all this, the police somehow have no leads, and Jax immediately believes some story Gemma tells about the Chinese, apparently because he's a gigantic idiot. This is gonna' be such a frustrating season, Christ. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's implied that Juice more or less helped Gemma clean up the scene. Hence why there were no leads that point Gemma or Juice as suspects. You have to remember the finale showed Juice getting rid of the murder weapon, it's not a stretch to assume they both cleaned up the scene so no suspicion would fall back on them. {Spoiler}Deep down, I have a feeling that Jax already knows that Gemma had a hand in it.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Sept 10, 2014 15:56:02 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Deep down, I have a feeling that Jax already knows that Gemma had a hand in it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}That's what I was thinking. That scene with them in the car when Jax got out of prison was there for a reason.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 16, 2014 23:47:06 GMT -5
Pretty good episode tonight. {Spoiler}The Sons started a full on war with the chinese now. {Spoiler}I truly believe Jax knows Gemma killed Tara. He's acting more distant with her than ever before, part of me wonders if he's waiting to confirm his suspicions, or he's just waiting for the perfect time to kill her. {Spoiler}Juice reaches out to Chibbs next week. We know Juice isn't biting it this early into the season, wonder how that's going to turn out? {Spoiler}Have a bad feeling that one of the Sons is going to end up killing Usner or Gemma may do it in order to cover her tracks.
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Sept 17, 2014 1:19:37 GMT -5
First two episodes have been awesome I have a good feeling about this season
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Post by Juice on Sept 17, 2014 1:59:17 GMT -5
It was a good episode. In addition to riseofsetian1981's comments I want to address the obvious tension with Nero that's been building since last season seems to really be coming to a head finally.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 9:06:28 GMT -5
Pretty good episode tonight. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I truly believe Jax knows Gemma killed Tara. He's acting more distant with her than ever before, part of me wonders if he's waiting to confirm his suspicions, or he's just waiting for the perfect time to kill her. I'm really, really hoping this is what's going to happen, otherwise this season is going to be mind-numbingly tedious (for me, anyway).
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 17, 2014 11:02:28 GMT -5
Pretty good episode tonight. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I truly believe Jax knows Gemma killed Tara. He's acting more distant with her than ever before, part of me wonders if he's waiting to confirm his suspicions, or he's just waiting for the perfect time to kill her. I'm really, really hoping this is what's going to happen, otherwise this season is going to be mind-numbingly tedious (for me, anyway). {Spoiler}I brought this up on my Facebook and two of my friends got extremely defensive about it. There seems to be too many signs pointing in the direction of Jax being suspicious of Gemma. If he doesn't know she actually did it, then he knows she had a hand in it, there's no way Jax would be that much of an idiot to not question her motives. She did get high and drive with his sons nearly killing them in the process.
So I truly believe that he does know, is in a state of denial, and staying true to not having a vision for the club he's just showing how much he doesn't care at this stage. I think he's going to find out when Gemma kills Usner in my opinion.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 17, 2014 11:10:17 GMT -5
{Spoiler}There is one thing that is bothering me this season. Exactly why is Juice in hiding? If he's in hiding over what he told Nero then that doesn't make a lick of sense. First of all, if they didn't kill him over keeping his race a secret, helping Roosevelt in the RICO case, and killing a prospect in order to cover his tracks. Why in the world would they kill him over what he told Nero?
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Post by LastCall on Sept 17, 2014 11:16:50 GMT -5
I'm really, really hoping this is what's going to happen, otherwise this season is going to be mind-numbingly tedious (for me, anyway). {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I brought this up on my Facebook and two of my friends got extremely defensive about it. There seems to be too many signs pointing in the direction of Jax being suspicious of Gemma. If he doesn't know she actually did it, then he knows she had a hand in it, there's no way Jax would be that much of an idiot to not question her motives. She did get high and drive with his sons nearly killing them in the process.
So I truly believe that he does know, is in a state of denial, and staying true to not having a vision for the club he's just showing how much he doesn't care at this stage. I think he's going to find out when Gemma kills Usner in my opinion. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}That's a lot of unnecessary bloodshed if Jax is really being that ignorant. Especially since he was on decent enough terms with Lin prior to "interrupting" the gun-drug trade.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 17, 2014 11:18:38 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I brought this up on my Facebook and two of my friends got extremely defensive about it. There seems to be too many signs pointing in the direction of Jax being suspicious of Gemma. If he doesn't know she actually did it, then he knows she had a hand in it, there's no way Jax would be that much of an idiot to not question her motives. She did get high and drive with his sons nearly killing them in the process.
So I truly believe that he does know, is in a state of denial, and staying true to not having a vision for the club he's just showing how much he doesn't care at this stage. I think he's going to find out when Gemma kills Usner in my opinion. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}That's a lot of unnecessary bloodshed if Jax is really being that ignorant. Especially since he was on decent enough terms with Lin prior to "interrupting" the gun-drug trade. {Spoiler}It wouldn't be the first time Jax has been extremely careless and shedded blood for being ignorant.
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