If Brock breaks Cena's arm

[mrjl]

So, suppose the finish for the match at NoC is Brock locking in the Kimura and breaking Cena's arm. Cena still refuses to tap and the ref just calls fro the bell, because obviously Cena can't defend himself anymore.

What would you think of Cena actually carrying his never give up bit that far?

[Lila]

The Kimura Lock doesn't break your arm. It f***s up your shoulder. WWE needs to get that shit right.

[Mayonnaise]

I'd think he is a dumb motherf***er and get pissed when it is played as brave, heroic and something a real man does the next night on RAW.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

He'll just get a robotic one like the Winter Soldier. Then we're REALLY f***ed.

[suave]

It'd be a good way to build Brock's badassness, build Cena's character, give Cena some time off, rest, and a new, fresh return around Mania time. It's perfect.

[Sicho100]

Sept 1, 2014 22:16:25 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

I'd think he is a dumb motherf***er and get pissed when it is played as brave, heroic and something a real man does the next night on RAW.

How about when, on that same Raw, Cena beats the Wyatt Family, the Authority, Hulk Hogan circa 1986, and God himself without so much as breaking a sweat? You know to make sure that he doesn't come across as weak, because then no one would be able to take Cena seriously.

[Milkman Norm]

Sept 1, 2014 22:16:25 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

I'd think he is a dumb motherf***er and get pissed when it is played as brave, heroic and something a real man does the next night on RAW.

This, this a thousand times this. Not just for Cena either. For any face. Yeah Austin passed out against Hart but that was to help turn him face and that was in the anything goes submission match. How is Jack Swagger brave or tough in a normal rules match if he passes out? He couldn't break the hold, he couldn't make the ropes, he couldn't counter. Just tap for chrissake. I know WWE thinks it makes the faces looks tough but it doesn't. It make them look dumb.

[mrjl]

Sept 1, 2014 22:20:27 GMT -5 Milkman Norm said:

Sept 1, 2014 22:16:25 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

I'd think he is a dumb motherf***er and get pissed when it is played as brave, heroic and something a real man does the next night on RAW.

This, this a thousand times this. Not just for Cena either. For any face. Yeah Austin passed out against Hart but that was to help turn him face and that was in the anything goes submission match. How is Jack Swagger brave or tough in a normal rules match if he passes out? He couldn't break the hold, he couldn't make the ropes, he couldn't counter. Just tap for chrissake. I know WWE thinks it makes the faces looks tough but it doesn't. It make them look dumb.

quitters never win winners never quit.

It's kind of an F-U to their opponent. I'd rather be in this kind of pain than admit you won.

And honestly if tapping out shouldn't be a big deal then neither should I quit matches and I don't think many people complain about them

[Deleted]

Sept 1, 2014 22:18:27 GMT -5 suave said:

It'd be a good way to build Brock's badassness, build Cena's character, give Cena some time off, rest, and a new, fresh return around Mania time. It's perfect.

To which it means he'll be back by the end of the year and beat Brock at the Rumble.

[Milkman Norm]

Sept 1, 2014 22:24:28 GMT -5 mrjl said:

Sept 1, 2014 22:20:27 GMT -5 Milkman Norm said:

This, this a thousand times this. Not just for Cena either. For any face. Yeah Austin passed out against Hart but that was to help turn him face and that was in the anything goes submission match. How is Jack Swagger brave or tough in a normal rules match if he passes out? He couldn't break the hold, he couldn't make the ropes, he couldn't counter. Just tap for chrissake. I know WWE thinks it makes the faces looks tough but it doesn't. It make them look dumb.

quitters never win winners never quit.

It's kind of an F-U to their opponent. I'd rather be in this kind of pain than admit you won.

And honestly if tapping out shouldn't be a big deal then neither should I quit matches and I don't think many people complain about them

There is a huge difference between quieting, i.e. giving up forever and realizing you don't have a play at the moment and coming back with a better plan of attack.

[Shanman]

Sept 1, 2014 22:13:49 GMT -5 Lila said:

The Kimura Lock doesn't break your arm. It f***s up your shoulder. WWE needs to get that shit right.

Err.... no - as a grappler and a long-time MMA fan I can tell you that while the kimura can f*** up a lot of things, the arm is definitely the target. You can check out the second Frank Mir/Nogueira fight and the broken arm that resulted for Nog for verification.

[Mayonnaise]

Sept 1, 2014 22:24:28 GMT -5 mrjl said:

Sept 1, 2014 22:20:27 GMT -5 Milkman Norm said:

This, this a thousand times this. Not just for Cena either. For any face. Yeah Austin passed out against Hart but that was to help turn him face and that was in the anything goes submission match. How is Jack Swagger brave or tough in a normal rules match if he passes out? He couldn't break the hold, he couldn't make the ropes, he couldn't counter. Just tap for chrissake. I know WWE thinks it makes the faces looks tough but it doesn't. It make them look dumb.

quitters never win winners never quit.

It's kind of an F-U to their opponent. I'd rather be in this kind of pain than admit you won.

And honestly if tapping out shouldn't be a big deal then neither should I quit matches and I don't think many people complain about them

Ugh, forcing your opponent to say "I Quit" in an I Quit match should be a big deal and treated as one since there are numerous ways to achieve that. Tapping out or submit to avoid serious and potentially permanent injury when you can live to fight another day should be the exact opposite. Getting yourself purposely injured because your ego and t shirt sales won't allow for basic instinct to take over should be treat as the dumb as f*** thing it is.

[mizerable]

Sept 1, 2014 22:18:27 GMT -5 suave said:

It'd be a good way to build Brock's badassness, build Cena's character, give Cena some time off, rest, and a new, fresh return around Mania time. It's perfect.

So...Cena would be giving up then...if he took time off.

[Kevin Hamilton]

They'd do that bullshit where HHH was back in a matter of weeks and completely ok. Hell with Cena, he might be back on Monday.

[Mayonnaise]

Sept 1, 2014 22:34:36 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

They'd do that bullshit where HHH was back in a matter of weeks and completely ok. Hell with Cena, he might be back on Monday.

He'll have that tape stuff he sported a few years back and use it, putting both Orton Jr. and Luger to shame.

[Lila]

Sept 1, 2014 22:29:43 GMT -5 Shanman said:

Sept 1, 2014 22:13:49 GMT -5 Lila said:

The Kimura Lock doesn't break your arm. It f***s up your shoulder. WWE needs to get that shit right.

Err.... no - as a grappler and a long-time MMA fan I can tell you that while the kimura can f*** up a lot of things, the arm is definitely the target. You can check out the second Frank Mir/Nogueira fight and the broken arm that resulted for Nog for verification.

From Wiki

Kimura (Brazilian jiu-jitsu), chicken wing/double wrist lock (catch wrestling), or reverse keylock are terms used to specify a medial keylock known in judo as gyaku ude-garami (reverse arm entanglement) or simply as ude-garami. The application is similar to the americana, except that it is reversed. It needs some space behind the opponent to be effective, and can be applied from the side control or guard. Contrary to the americana, the opponent's wrist is grabbed with the hand on the same side, and the opposite arm is put behind the opponent's arm, again grabbing the attacker's wrist and forming a figure-four. By controlling the opponent's body and cranking the arm away from the attacker, pressure is put on the shoulder joint, and depending on the angle, also the elbow joint (in some variations the opponent's arm is brought behind their back, resulting in a finishing position resembling that of the hammerlock outlined below). The kimura was named after the judoka Masahiko Kimura, who used it to defeat one of the founders of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Hélio Gracie.

You're controlling the arm, but it ultimately messes with your shoulder.

[suave]

Sept 1, 2014 22:33:28 GMT -5 mizerable said:

Sept 1, 2014 22:18:27 GMT -5 suave said:

It'd be a good way to build Brock's badassness, build Cena's character, give Cena some time off, rest, and a new, fresh return around Mania time. It's perfect.

So...Cena would be giving up then...if he took time off.

If he had a serious shoulder injury, at least in kayfabe, he could say he's getting surgery and it won't be 100 percent until February. Then have Cena come back late December because his character deals with injury with the seriousness of a morphine addicted Terminator.

[Deleted]

Sept 1, 2014 22:17:07 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

He'll just get a robotic one like the Winter Soldier. Then we're REALLY f***ed.

"Cena?"
"Who the hell is Cena?"

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

I'd prefer Cena puts up a hell of a fight and taps. It would dictate John Cena, the character, to become self-aware and develop. And god forbid be entertaining.

He'll break the arm. WWE will do their best to raise sympathy for Johnny boy. For like. A month. Then he heals. Like fricken Wolverine-status.But at the least, it'll still be a loss, as it better be.

[mrjl]

Sept 1, 2014 23:24:12 GMT -5 Fade is a CodyCryBaby said:

I'd prefer Cena puts up a hell of a fight and taps. It would dictate John Cena, the character, to become self-aware and develop. And god forbid be entertaining.

He'll break the arm. WWE will do their best to raise sympathy for Johnny boy. For like. A month. Then he heals. Like fricken Wolverine-status.But at the least, it'll still be a loss, as it better be.

for me the guy who refuses to quit is way more entertaining