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Post by Juice on Sept 9, 2014 20:22:43 GMT -5
Wait so it was Spike who paid Hogan all the money?! And they say Russo knows nothing about the buisness?!! Russo helped take TNA to it's highest peak, Hogan took it to its lowest point. TNA's peak was Hogan's arrival. Hogan's debut segment drew nearly 3 million viewers while going head-to-head while Bret's 13-year return to the WWE. I'd also argue TNA in 2012, with Hogan/Bischoff and without Russo, was the best TV they have ever done. Couldn't disagree more with this, but to each their own.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 9, 2014 20:26:21 GMT -5
I'm still not convinced this is a spike exec saying this. Why would anyone at a network care one wit about Vince Russo? Wht would they even comment?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 9, 2014 20:40:23 GMT -5
Look Russo is just the wrestling world's version of Mike Shanahan. Late 90s he was the man (coach) Writing the best shows with the biggest ratings (coaching the superbowl champs 2 years in a row). Then it started to get old. People got sick of the same formula, and adapted to it. So they took their business elsewhere with even less success. The rest of the world caught up to their act and it did nothing for no one no more. Go away for a while and come back recently and try the same tired formula only to find out that the rest of the world has passed them by and they are still stuck with the same ideas and thought processes on what worked in the late 90s. Neither could adapt their styles nor evolve, so instead of realizing the world had passed them buy they just blamed everyone else and burned it all to the ground on the way out. Yeah but Coach Shanahan kinda found success again during the Jake Plummer era, even reaching an AFC championship, he was inconsistent I'll agree to that, but Russo has sucked since 1999-2000 and hasn't improved since. To me Vince Russo is the Tony Romo of wrestling, overrated, liviving from past glory, having a Jerry Jones (Dixie Carter) that keeps you employed when your own team and fans begs you to cut him, and when it's going good in the game he'll throw an interception (swerve) and break your heart. To quote Stephen Asshole Smith, "he's an accident waiting to happen."
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 9, 2014 20:43:53 GMT -5
I would like a verified source for this. As much as I'd love the idea of a major corporate executive just brutally reaming Russo a new one, I'm skeptical. Agreed with this. This is something NO corporate executive would ever do, in addressing a critic. EVER. They let PR people do that so they don't go off at the mouth and say something that will come back to haunt them. Owners can do that, but mid level execs? Not a chance. Either this guy has balls of steel, is looking to get demoted or worse, or he never said that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 21:10:08 GMT -5
TNA's peak was Hogan's arrival. Hogan's debut segment drew nearly 3 million viewers while going head-to-head while Bret's 13-year return to the WWE. I'd also argue TNA in 2012, with Hogan/Bischoff and without Russo, was the best TV they have ever done. Couldn't disagree more with this, but to each their own. Well, you can't disagree with the numbers, because that is factual. TNA's highest rated show and segment remains the Hogan debut, and they were still doing good ratings (for TNA) up until 2013 when the company went into a tailspin. As far as 2012, that's subjective. You're free to enjoy whatever year TNA had. IMO, from a booking standpoint, you are not going to find a better booked period in TNA. Even the Claire Lynch angle, which was by far the worst part of that year, was so stupid that it was amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 21:18:33 GMT -5
This is just brutal.
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Post by angryfan on Sept 9, 2014 21:31:55 GMT -5
On one hand, Russo. On the other hand the line about Spike taking TNA to having 2 million viewers...no, no they didn't. Are the fighting over the Delusional Championship?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 21:35:25 GMT -5
I'm still not convinced this is a spike exec saying this. Why would anyone at a network care one wit about Vince Russo? Wht would they even comment? He's a pretty prominent figure in the wrestling world spouting off about TNA's ongoing negotiations as if he has any real knowledge so I could see how a TV executive might want to silence him, while not being entirely hip to the notion that no one who really follows wrestling enough to know of TNA's current struggle really gives a shit what Russo says. It also just depends on how much you trust the Meltz. I trust the Meltz.
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Post by khali on Sept 9, 2014 21:35:48 GMT -5
This Spike exec is hilarious. Someone needs to sign him up for a shoot interview. I could listen to his insult comedy on Russo all day.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 9, 2014 21:37:45 GMT -5
This Spike exec is hilarious. Someone needs to sign him up for a shoot interview. I could listen to his insult comedy on Russo all day. Either a youshoot or in Highspots, RF Video sucks at interviewing people.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 9, 2014 22:01:48 GMT -5
Cornette would be proud of that burial.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 9, 2014 22:37:36 GMT -5
"I"m more over on the net than the entire TNA roster"
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Post by evilone on Sept 10, 2014 4:46:40 GMT -5
Funny how most of them who cried "Russo killed TNA" now say "Nah he was never a factor in negotiations".
Just the fact that Russo slammed Spike out of a sudden and their exec came back swinging at him is a proof that there was something between Russo and Spike and its been there for quite a while. Execs don't go blasting on stuck chew gums on a bottom of their shoe because of some niche YouTube video that caters to wrestling marks. Unless he is a mark himself.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 10, 2014 5:02:07 GMT -5
Funny how most of them who cried "Russo killed TNA" now say "Nah he was never a factor in negotiations". Just the fact that Russo slammed Spike out of a sudden and their exec came back swinging at him is a proof that there was something between Russo and Spike and its been there for quite a while. Execs don't go blasting on stuck chew gums on a bottom of their shoe because of some niche YouTube video that caters to wrestling marks. Unless he is a mark himself. The exec is the one making those claims that Russo isn't a factor. If Russo WERE a factor in negotiations, then TNA would've gotten a new TV deal the moment that they cut him loose. If Russo were a factor in negotiations, it would be kinda messed up if TNA fired him for nothing.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 10, 2014 7:08:29 GMT -5
Cornette always told a story about being embarrassed when spike tv executives would come to a meeting and Russo talked to them giving them a poorly written presentation about the state of tna, and them rolling their eyes everytime Russo talked; I always thought that it was just Corny embellishing a story, the funny part is that he was telling the truth, something happened, Russo did something, where Spike really hates the guy.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 10, 2014 7:52:47 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a little out of the loop here, but what does it matter if a TV network knows how the wrestling business works? They're not running the company, they're not responsible for selling PPV's, they're only requirements are a consistent time slot and some promotion.
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Post by domrep on Sept 10, 2014 10:20:25 GMT -5
Hilarious if in some roundabout way, Spike keeps TNA for a few more years and tries to prove Russo wrong when he made comments on lack of marketing, etc.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 10, 2014 10:34:03 GMT -5
Look Russo is just the wrestling world's version of Mike Shanahan. Late 90s he was the man (coach) Writing the best shows with the biggest ratings (coaching the superbowl champs 2 years in a row). Then it started to get old. People got sick of the same formula, and adapted to it. So they took their business elsewhere with even less success. The rest of the world caught up to their act and it did nothing for no one no more. Go away for a while and come back recently and try the same tired formula only to find out that the rest of the world has passed them by and they are still stuck with the same ideas and thought processes on what worked in the late 90s. Neither could adapt their styles nor evolve, so instead of realizing the world had passed them buy they just blamed everyone else and burned it all to the ground on the way out. Yeah but Coach Shanahan kinda found success again during the Jake Plummer era, even reaching an AFC championship, he was inconsistent I'll agree to that, but Russo has sucked since 1999-2000 and hasn't improved since. To me Vince Russo is the Tony Romo of wrestling, overrated, liviving from past glory, having a Jerry Jones (Dixie Carter) that keeps you employed when your own team and fans begs you to cut him, and when it's going good in the game he'll throw an interception (swerve) and break your heart. To quote Stephen Asshole Smith, "he's an accident waiting to happen." I've always thought of Russo as the wrestling version of M. Night Shayamalan. Both had a brief stroke of brilliance in the late 1990s, but have had so many embarrassingly awful blunders since then that it makes you wonder why anyone will employ them. Not to mention both have an affinity for pointless twists and swerves.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 10, 2014 10:52:45 GMT -5
Yeah but Coach Shanahan kinda found success again during the Jake Plummer era, even reaching an AFC championship, he was inconsistent I'll agree to that, but Russo has sucked since 1999-2000 and hasn't improved since. To me Vince Russo is the Tony Romo of wrestling, overrated, liviving from past glory, having a Jerry Jones (Dixie Carter) that keeps you employed when your own team and fans begs you to cut him, and when it's going good in the game he'll throw an interception (swerve) and break your heart. To quote Stephen Asshole Smith, "he's an accident waiting to happen." I've always thought of Russo as the wrestling version of M. Night Shayamalan. Both had a brief stroke of brilliance in the late 1990s, but have had so many embarrassingly awful blunders since then that it makes you wonder why anyone will employ them. Not to mention both have an affinity for pointless twists and swerves. Spot on, sir
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 10, 2014 11:19:22 GMT -5
Even in 2010 we saw Orlando Jordan squirting white substance on himself Zack Ryder did the same thing in 2009 but so far as I know Russo wasn't a writer for ECW. And somehow this moment also is never brought up as a sign of WWE's ECW being bad shock TV. Wonder why...
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