DjZonk
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 10, 2014 11:36:32 GMT -5
How much money does Spike make from TNA? We all talk about TNA's woes at expensive of the good stuff they actually do (which is a shame at times) but surely Spike have benefited greatly from TNA?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 10, 2014 11:39:31 GMT -5
I have this to say. While I loved the idea Russo getting owned by the network I feel it's BS by the network and here is why I say this.
1. How can you not be aware of someone who is writing the show you are airing and was writing it most of the time they where on your network?
2. If TNA was such great partners to work with then why you getting rid of them and saying we don't need wrestling anymore? When it's clear that the product wasn't doing what you wanted after the investments. So failing doesn't say great partners.
3. If Russo didn't matter then why was there such a big deal made when it was found out he was working with TNA again?
Now Russo is full of crap because saying Spike no nothing about wrestling and the business of it. I ask him one question. Any Dixie does? I mean clearly she is the biggest mark to ever run a company and the fact is. She failed to produce an alternative to the WWE. She failed to do research on who you give jobs too. She failed to really turn a profit because if they ever turned a profit then they wouldn't be making so many cuts roster wise and would be able to keep key players AKA AJ Styles who IMO is there biggest lost. It's funny when there been times people defend Russo for his two years of success he had in the WWE in the late 90's. When the fact is he done jack sense and most of the attitude stuff has not aged well. Not saying there wasn't some good because there is but most of the non ME stuff not so much.
The fact that the product itself is hardly recognize by anybody. I mean Sting signs with the WWE and Hogan return was like they was no where else before that. Sting coming off as the last time we saw him was the last Nitro and that whole nearly Ten years of wrestling for TNA never happened. 4.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 10, 2014 11:46:19 GMT -5
Even in 2010 we saw Orlando Jordan squirting white substance on himself Zack Ryder did the same thing in 2009 but so far as I know Russo wasn't a writer for ECW. And somehow this moment also is never brought up as a sign of WWE's ECW being bad shock TV. Wonder why... Because those 2 examples being used are pretty much a reach if you want to compare them. One is a daydreaming guy looking at a hot girl and as soon as she touches him he does a quick squeeze of his hair gel in the air. You know the whole "premature" thing that's used for laughs in half the comedies out there. The other is a guy taking a lotion that looks specifically like another type of body fluid and proceeds to squirt it all over his chest and in his face, and then is shown "enjoying" the taste of it at the very end of the clip. For no reason whatsoever other than shock value. Sorry other than the liquid being meant to imitate a "male substance" this is a pretty far reach.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 10, 2014 11:50:51 GMT -5
I do know that Russo tried to pitch them a wrestling sitcom called Rope Opera (sound familar?) and Spike wanted no part of it. They wouldn't even air it as paid programming. There's some sort of animosity between the network and Russo.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 10, 2014 12:07:30 GMT -5
I have this to say. While I loved the idea Russo getting owned by the network I feel it's BS by the network and here is why I say this. 1. How can you not be aware of someone who is writing the show you are airing and was writing it most of the time they where on your network? 2. If TNA was such great partners to work with then why you getting rid of them and saying we don't need wrestling anymore? When it's clear that the product wasn't doing what you wanted after the investments. So failing doesn't say great partners. 3. If Russo didn't matter then why was there such a big deal made when it was found out he was working with TNA again? Now Russo is full of crap because saying Spike no nothing about wrestling and the business of it. I ask him one question. Any Dixie does? I mean clearly she is the biggest mark to ever run a company and the fact is. She failed to produce an alternative to the WWE. She failed to do research on who you give jobs too. She failed to really turn a profit because if they ever turned a profit then they wouldn't be making so many cuts roster wise and would be able to keep key players AKA AJ Styles who IMO is there biggest lost. It's funny when there been times people defend Russo for his two years of success he had in the WWE in the late 90's. When the fact is he done jack sense and most of the attitude stuff has not aged well. Not saying there wasn't some good because there is but most of the non ME stuff not so much. The fact that the product itself is hardly recognize by anybody. I mean Sting signs with the WWE and Hogan return was like they was no where else before that. Sting coming off as the last time we saw him was the last Nitro and that whole nearly Ten years of wrestling for TNA never happened. 4. If TNA and Spike didn't have a good relationship, Spike would have never fronted the salaries that they did. You can't take a business decision to mean that they had a terrible relationship. I'd imagine 1 is a definite piece of hyperbole, however they also work with a lot of shows with a lot of producers and writers, so it's not unbelievable that Russo would have been quickly forgotten and his status would be overstated by the anonymous sources.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 10, 2014 12:45:38 GMT -5
Zack Ryder did the same thing in 2009 but so far as I know Russo wasn't a writer for ECW. And somehow this moment also is never brought up as a sign of WWE's ECW being bad shock TV. Wonder why... Because those 2 examples being used are pretty much a reach if you want to compare them. One is a daydreaming guy looking at a hot girl and as soon as she touches him he does a quick squeeze of his hair gel in the air. You know the whole "premature" thing that's used for laughs in half the comedies out there. The other is a guy taking a lotion that looks specifically like another type of body fluid and proceeds to squirt it all over his chest and in his face, and then is shown "enjoying" the taste of it at the very end of the clip. For no reason whatsoever other than shock value. Sorry other than the liquid being meant to imitate a "male substance" this is a pretty far reach. Also Ryder wasn't being touted as a groundbreaking and positive bisexual influence that was going to change how people of the LGBT community were treated by the bookers and fans.
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Post by evilone on Sept 10, 2014 12:50:49 GMT -5
Zack Ryder did the same thing in 2009 but so far as I know Russo wasn't a writer for ECW. And somehow this moment also is never brought up as a sign of WWE's ECW being bad shock TV. Wonder why... Because those 2 examples being used are pretty much a reach if you want to compare them. One is a daydreaming guy looking at a hot girl and as soon as she touches him he does a quick squeeze of his hair gel in the air. You know the whole "premature" thing that's used for laughs in half the comedies out there. The other is a guy taking a lotion that looks specifically like another type of body fluid and proceeds to squirt it all over his chest and in his face, and then is shown "enjoying" the taste of it at the very end of the clip. For no reason whatsoever other than shock value. Sorry other than the liquid being meant to imitate a "male substance" this is a pretty far reach. Actually OJ's segment was far more in context because it was a direct communication with wrestling audience that happens to be homophobic, hence shock value. To them. I loved the segment cause I knew it would piss people off and it did. Wrestling exposed their audience's ignorance so many times, from chanting USA to "foreigners" to Goldust.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 10, 2014 13:00:17 GMT -5
Eh, if you didn't care about him being THAT mean to him or even responding wouldn't be needed.
Fun little fight but I call bullshit on Spike or at least the guy who commented not knowing Russo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 13:25:36 GMT -5
This goes past needing just any ol' picture of Hunner burying fools.
This needs a picture of Russo being neck deep in an open grave... ...with this guy shoveling dirt into it... ...with Hunner and Cornette's faces in the sky smiling down on the burial.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 10, 2014 14:59:14 GMT -5
I do know that Russo tried to pitch them a wrestling sitcom called Rope Opera (sound familar?) and Spike wanted no part of it. They wouldn't even air it as paid programming. There's some sort of animosity between the network and Russo. According to Kevin Sullivan, Russo pitched Roap Opera all the way back to Time Warner/AOL I'm thankful we'll never see that show, I think it would make me stop being a wrestling fan.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 10, 2014 15:13:32 GMT -5
I do know that Russo tried to pitch them a wrestling sitcom called Rope Opera (sound familar?) and Spike wanted no part of it. They wouldn't even air it as paid programming. There's some sort of animosity between the network and Russo. According to Kevin Sullivan, Russo pitched Roap Opera all the way back to Time Warner/AOL I'm thankful we'll never see that show, I think it would make me stop being a wrestling fan.
WTF is Rope Opera. Is this just Cop Rock with wrestlers? For those that don't know what that is here's a clip Side note....that's an f'd up way to find out you are guilty in court. That's probably similar to how Russo felt after the Spike Exec went off on him.
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Post by Woo on Sept 10, 2014 17:11:45 GMT -5
Wait so it was Spike who paid Hogan all the money?! And they say Russo knows nothing about the buisness?!! Russo helped take TNA to it's highest peak, Hogan took it to its lowest point. TNA's peak was Hogan's arrival. Hogan's debut segment drew nearly 3 million viewers while going head-to-head while Bret's 13-year return to the WWE. I'd also argue TNA in 2012, with Hogan/Bischoff and without Russo, was the best TV they have ever done. Critically their peak was either the 2005 or 2009 AJ/Daniels/Joe matches and probably the final incredible 1-2 PPVs of 09. Financially their peak was probablly also 2009 as it was the first time they were making money. I can't imagine they made much in 2010 with all those hefty contracts. I'll have to massively disagree with the 2012 as well. That has to be again 2005-2006 or 2009. It's a shame the best TV shows they ever did weren't on TV and were on their website.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 11, 2014 8:18:10 GMT -5
According to Kevin Sullivan, Russo pitched Roap Opera all the way back to Time Warner/AOL I'm thankful we'll never see that show, I think it would make me stop being a wrestling fan.
WTF is Rope Opera. Is this just Cop Rock with wrestlers? Well...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2014 13:22:40 GMT -5
Apparently Spike TV is burying every former employee. This is King Mo burying his former boss, weird is that not only Spike agreed to air it, but also created a graphic burying him...they should air vignettes burying Vince Russo on Impact
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 12, 2014 21:30:55 GMT -5
Listening to JR's interview with Russo. Same old BS, but I'm thinking why do we give Russo this power over us? We know the guy lies. There's evidence to call him on his bs. This is just a case where somewhere from Spike in a position of authority actually called him out.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Sept 12, 2014 22:10:12 GMT -5
God bless you Spike TV
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Post by JDviant on Sept 12, 2014 23:07:25 GMT -5
So Spike TV is just as bush league as TNA is. Whats the Voodo Kin Mafia equivalent of USA they're going to start throwing out every week?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 12, 2014 23:25:55 GMT -5
It would be awesome if spike tv executives started posting here just shitting on us, oh and revealing exactly why they hate Russo.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 13, 2014 0:39:52 GMT -5
That's about as succinctly as you can put it right there. Nicely done Spike rep.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 13, 2014 0:44:26 GMT -5
Look Russo is just the wrestling world's version of Mike Shanahan. Late 90s he was the man (coach) Writing the best shows with the biggest ratings (coaching the superbowl champs 2 years in a row). Then it started to get old. People got sick of the same formula, and adapted to it. So they took their business elsewhere with even less success. The rest of the world caught up to their act and it did nothing for no one no more. Go away for a while and come back recently and try the same tired formula only to find out that the rest of the world has passed them by and they are still stuck with the same ideas and thought processes on what worked in the late 90s. Neither could adapt their styles nor evolve, so instead of realizing the world had passed them buy they just blamed everyone else and burned it all to the ground on the way out. To further the Shanahan/Russo analogy: Mike didn't do shit without Elway, Russo didn't do shit without Rock/Austin etc.
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