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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 11:54:28 GMT -5
Kurt did have another neck surgery after a few years in the WWE, I believe in 2003. They didn't seem overly cautious with him, letting him come back in less than six months. Not to mention a botched table spot which caused some issues for him. My point was he abused his body for them and now they are saying his body is too broken down. Seems rather messed up.
The WWE and their schedule causes people to go on pain pills, but they don't hold any accountability for that, apparently.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 11, 2014 12:19:36 GMT -5
Kurt did have another neck surgery after a few years in the WWE, I believe in 2003. They didn't seem overly cautious with him, letting him come back in less than six months. Not to mention a botched table spot which caused some issues for him. My point was he abused his body for them and now they are saying his body is too broken down. Seems rather messed up. The WWE and their schedule causes people to go on pain pills, but they don't hold any accountability for that, apparently. Kurt's neck surgery was the added stress on a rebuilt neck. People who break their necks in sports generally will get another down the line due the continuous wear and tear. Kurt came back so soon because he used a quack doctor who promised faster recovery from the traditional 1 year out fusion neck surgery. WWE wanted to take care of him but Kurt wants to be a player than a spectator. The WWE schedule can be brutal but they changed the old system due to it leading to shorter lifespans and addiction. Kurt in TNA made things worst for his body. Sure the schedule isn't bad as WWE's but you got no one controlling the asylum. The inmates are running the show. WWE's biggest fear about Kurt is him dying or f***ing up big on their watch. Doesn't matter what happened while he was gone, people are going after their heads if something happen to Kurt. WWE pays for former wrestlers' rehabs (with no limit on times you can go unless you're Sunny and complain that the center wasn't 5 stars) and now offering tuition assistance to people. Not perfect but more than what was offered previously. They don't owe Kurt a job. WWE isn't a charity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 12:30:36 GMT -5
Kurt did have another neck surgery after a few years in the WWE, I believe in 2003. They didn't seem overly cautious with him, letting him come back in less than six months. Not to mention a botched table spot which caused some issues for him. My point was he abused his body for them and now they are saying his body is too broken down. Seems rather messed up. The WWE and their schedule causes people to go on pain pills, but they don't hold any accountability for that, apparently. Kurt's neck surgery was the added stress on a rebuilt neck. People who break their necks in sports generally will get another down the line due the continuous wear and tear. Kurt came back so soon because he used a quack doctor who promised faster recovery from the traditional 1 year out fusion neck surgery. WWE wanted to take care of him but Kurt wants to be a player than a spectator. The WWE schedule can be brutal but they changed the old system due to it leading to shorter lifespans and addiction. Kurt in TNA made things worst for his body. Sure the schedule isn't bad as WWE's but you got no one controlling the asylum. The inmates are running the show. WWE's biggest fear about Kurt is him dying or f***ing up big on their watch. Doesn't matter what happened while he was gone, people are going after their heads if something happen to Kurt. WWE pays for former wrestlers' rehabs (with no limit on times you can go unless you're Sunny and complain that the center wasn't 5 stars) and now offering tuition assistance to people. Not perfect but more than what was offered previously. They don't owe Kurt a job. WWE isn't a charity. If the WWE contributed to Kurt's broken down body, how can they tell him years later that he is too broken down to bring back? I get why they are doing it, and it's the same reason why they let Kurt and countless others kill or nearly kill themselves in the first place: selfish agenda. Kurt is ultimately responsible for his addictions, I am not blaming the WWE for that, but they at least contributed a little to the lifestyle and wrestling style that Kurt lived since 1999. Same with Jeff Hardy. There was a time where Jeff was taking table and ladder bumps every week in the WWF. Won't that increase his chances of taking pain pills? He's not a robot. If Kurt wants to wrestle and the WWE said no to that, then fine. But bring the guy back in some capacity.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 11, 2014 12:47:14 GMT -5
Kurt's neck surgery was the added stress on a rebuilt neck. People who break their necks in sports generally will get another down the line due the continuous wear and tear. Kurt came back so soon because he used a quack doctor who promised faster recovery from the traditional 1 year out fusion neck surgery. WWE wanted to take care of him but Kurt wants to be a player than a spectator. The WWE schedule can be brutal but they changed the old system due to it leading to shorter lifespans and addiction. Kurt in TNA made things worst for his body. Sure the schedule isn't bad as WWE's but you got no one controlling the asylum. The inmates are running the show. WWE's biggest fear about Kurt is him dying or f***ing up big on their watch. Doesn't matter what happened while he was gone, people are going after their heads if something happen to Kurt. WWE pays for former wrestlers' rehabs (with no limit on times you can go unless you're Sunny and complain that the center wasn't 5 stars) and now offering tuition assistance to people. Not perfect but more than what was offered previously. They don't owe Kurt a job. WWE isn't a charity. If the WWE contributed to Kurt's broken down body, how can they tell him years later that he is too broken down to bring back? I get why they are doing it, and it's the same reason why they let Kurt and countless others kill or nearly kill themselves in the first place: selfish agenda. Kurt is ultimately responsible for his addictions, I am not blaming the WWE for that, but they at least contributed a little to the lifestyle and wrestling style that Kurt lived since 1999. Same with Jeff Hardy. There was a time where Jeff was taking table and ladder bumps every week in the WWF. Won't that increase his chances of taking pain pills? He's not a robot. If Kurt wants to wrestle and the WWE said no to that, then fine. But bring the guy back in some capacity. It took over a decade for WWE to bring back Scott Hall and Jake Roberts after years of helping them with rehab. It finally took DDP making wholesale lifestyle changes for them before WWE trusted them enough to come back. Bottom line, they don't trust Kurt. And who can blame them going by his post WWE antics. WWE like the NFL did lead to health problems with former talents of previous generations. Yes, he sacrificed his body for WWE but he also did that with the US Olympic wrestling team and TNA. But WWE doesn't owe him a job. It's not like he can't work for any other field except pro wrestling. I'm quite sure there are a number of amateur and collegiate wrestling who love having Angle coaching them.
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Post by Malcolm on Sept 11, 2014 13:11:34 GMT -5
But I want my best of Kurt Angle DVD, dammit!
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Post by silverplaquevii on Sept 11, 2014 13:52:41 GMT -5
Sept. 21? It's the same night as Night of Champions, but why bother booking Angle to feud with Rusev?
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 11, 2014 14:10:36 GMT -5
Honestly, I know he probably wouldn't be good for a match, but I'd mark to hear his theme on Raw again.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 11, 2014 14:21:06 GMT -5
If the WWE contributed to Kurt's broken down body, how can they tell him years later that he is too broken down to bring back? I get why they are doing it, and it's the same reason why they let Kurt and countless others kill or nearly kill themselves in the first place: selfish agenda. Kurt is ultimately responsible for his addictions, I am not blaming the WWE for that, but they at least contributed a little to the lifestyle and wrestling style that Kurt lived since 1999. Same with Jeff Hardy. There was a time where Jeff was taking table and ladder bumps every week in the WWF. Won't that increase his chances of taking pain pills? He's not a robot. If Kurt wants to wrestle and the WWE said no to that, then fine. But bring the guy back in some capacity. You can't blame them for negotiations that we are not privy too. As far as we know, they might have been ok with him becoming a road agent or something, and he refused. Everything from him has indicated that he still wants to wrestle, not remain out of t hering.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Sept 16, 2014 2:19:03 GMT -5
My only thing is, if the whole "Vince doesn't want an Olympian to die on his watch" is true, then WWE would absolutely sign him to a contract, just to keep an eye on him, the same reason Flair is under contract right now.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 16, 2014 5:16:16 GMT -5
Honestly other than maybe one last match with Brock I have little to no interest in seeing Angle wrestle in a WWE ring ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 5:54:46 GMT -5
Honestly other than maybe one last match with Brock I have little to no interest in seeing Angle wrestle in a WWE ring ever again. I found this simulation of what Angle would look like after such a match.
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 16, 2014 9:12:20 GMT -5
As great at that pic is (and it's brilliant) people have been writing Kurt off as a physical wreck for over a decade now. I'll believe it when I see him in a wheelchair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 9:20:45 GMT -5
As great at that pic is (and it's brilliant) people have been writing Kurt off as a physical wreck for over a decade now. I'll believe it when I see him in a wheelchair. This was directly after a show he wrestled on.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 16, 2014 9:33:46 GMT -5
As great at that pic is (and it's brilliant) people have been writing Kurt off as a physical wreck for over a decade now. I'll believe it when I see him in a wheelchair. This was directly after a show he wrestled on. To be far this was earlier this year when they where in the UK last and because he knee was so bad and he was trying to make it to the PPV to face ECIII but didn't. He had two surgeries since the pick. One he came back too soon and re injured it and the one now that kept him out of action to fix the first one and he listening to doctors. Angle says he not wrestling until Jan. So he had more than six months of being away from the ring.
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 17, 2014 5:59:07 GMT -5
Sad sight all the same
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 19, 2014 6:46:35 GMT -5
I basically follow Kurt on Twitter because I genuinely think no-one will hire him and I just want some indication he's not dead.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 19, 2014 7:29:53 GMT -5
I maintain that WWE would probably be more than willing to welcome Kurt back if he was willing to accept a role other than being an in ring competitor. Flair and Hogan both seem to have accepted that their ring days are well over, and Hogan seems to have contented himself with his role as a "brand ambassador." That is almost certainly the role WWE would want Kurt in at this point, and if he were willing to accept it I would wager it could open the door to him doing an occasional "dream match" once he had stuck with it long enough and proved himself both clean and reliable.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 22, 2014 0:49:41 GMT -5
Just read online that Kurt's tna contract expired today, no way he's taking a paycut. Another of their most recognizable stars is leaving, that leaves Jeff Hardy as the most recognizable star, but no way they're gonna afford him too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 22, 2014 0:52:58 GMT -5
I love ya Kurt. Please retire. For your sake, and for your family's sake.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 22, 2014 9:56:47 GMT -5
I love ya Kurt. Please retire. For your sake, and for your family's sake. I agree man, it's just that as a fan, Kurt deserves one last match, his career can't end the way it did against EC3, Kurt deserves getting cheered by 70 thousand people, and after the match ends the fans are gonna stand and cry. I'll give an example, there's this ufc hall of famer, Pat Miletich, one of the early pioneers, he was Matt Hughes head coach, the Miletich Fighting Systems were one of the first mma gyms. His final match was so bad that his friend Matt Hughes said that by ending his career that way it eated away on his soul. Pat took a couple of years off then had one final fight which was awesome, he could retire in peace. They are different animals, but Kurt Angle is one of the bests of all time, like his final match shouldn't have been in front of less than a thousand people. I also agree that he needs to retire, the doctors have the final word.
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