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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 10:42:02 GMT -5
From when you watched as a kid, name 1 moment that made you believe in wrestling and 1 moment that exposed the business to you.
I BELIEVED when Ron Boss was attacking Brutus Beefcake with his spurs and a giant red X (Censored) appeared over the screen, but I could still see Brutus bleeding behind it. I was legitimately scared for Beefcake and horrified by this.
I DIDN'T believe when I saw the Undertaker for the first time. Granted, I thought the Undertaker was awesome, but this was probably the first thing in my memory that completely killed my suspension of disbelief and exposed the business to me.
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 17, 2014 10:53:30 GMT -5
As a kid I believe Nailz did bad thigns to the Big Bossman.
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 17, 2014 12:03:00 GMT -5
As a kid I believe Nailz did bad thigns to the Big Bossman. Lemme guess...exposed the business was Nailz's voice? Real: HBK Fears Enziguiri. (I challenged myself and found a moment from when I was a "smart") Fake: Sid asks Rick Steiner if he's ready to take a move in War Games '91.
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 17, 2014 12:33:15 GMT -5
No, nothing has exposed the business to me. I still think it's real.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 12:38:40 GMT -5
Real: HBK Fears Enziguiri. (I challenged myself and found a moment from when I was a "smart") Fake: Sid asks Rick Steiner if he's ready to take a move in War Games '91. Hahaha... I love that War Games. Sid was audible several times in that match setting up spots with the other team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 12:55:22 GMT -5
I always knew wrestling was a work.
I mean I started watching during 2000, it wasn't exactly a big secret.
But the first time I actually questioned a booking decision and thought about "inner workings" was when they tried to push Rikishi as a main event heel, even at 10 I couldn't buy that.
Also around that same time we used to get WCW worldwide over here and some of the selling on that show was abysmal.
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Post by Zach on Sept 17, 2014 13:05:10 GMT -5
The 2 things I thought were real were Goldust's and Razor's feud, particularly when they fought backstage and Goldust punch Razor in the balls. I remember thinking they were legit pissed at each other and just beating the crap out of each other. The other thing I thought was "real" was when Nails beat up Big Boss Man and they had all those photos of him jacked up in WWF Magazine (as someone else already posted)
The thing that exposed it for me was seeing promo photos of a heel and face posing like face to face or something. I remember one with Hogan and Slaughter, I always thought "well if they hate each other, why are they posing for a photo? How can they even be in the same room without killing each other?"
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Sept 17, 2014 13:51:00 GMT -5
I dont remember Real, but Exposed was Barbarian's horrid body stops and overall acting that was so far off the mark that as a small child I could tell he was not making any contact.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 17, 2014 14:06:00 GMT -5
Believed: Owen crying after Bret told him that he loved him when they formed the second Hart foundation. Also Kane burning his parents tombstones.
Exposed: when Kane set fire to the casket with Undertaker in it. A moment that really insulted my intelligence and made me mad was when Orton was feuding with Jeff Hardy, and a video popped online of them hanging out with the troops.
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Post by somsta on Sept 17, 2014 15:40:25 GMT -5
I thought it all was real as a kid, probably until I was 12 or 13 everything falls into that category. I don't remember an exact moment that made me realize it was worked, it just gradually became clear to me. I didn't really give much thought to how it was done until the finger poke of doom. I remember saying out loud "who wrote this crap?" I think I've looked at wrestling differently ever since then.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Sept 17, 2014 16:02:10 GMT -5
The Bass/Beefcake thing always seemed real to me. Also, Cornette throwing the fireball at Ron Garvin and his 'brother' Jimmy coming to rescue him.
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Post by NOwave on Sept 17, 2014 16:11:43 GMT -5
I was in the unusual position of knowing, at least on some level, that is was not “real” from a very young age because my dad was a wrestler in the old Memphis promotion from the late 50s thru the 70s. He carefully explained that he wasn’t really getting beaten up every night, (he was a perennial jobber for Welch/Gulas and then Jerry Jarrett) but I was still somehow led to believe the titles were real. I remember seeing NWA World Champ Gene Kiniski fighting Jackie Fargo (#1 draw in Memphis at the time) to a 60 minute time limit draw at the Mid South coliseum in 1968, and thinking that if Jackie only had 5 more minutes, he’d be the new world champ. I was 10 at the time.
I think I truly “smartened up” at about age 13 or so, when I was backstage on a Saturday morning at the Memphis TV studio(which was WHBQ, ch. 13 at the time) where wrestling ran live. I was sent out to help clean up after the show, and was sweeping the barely closet-sized dressing room when I ran into an “evil” Japanese wrestler who the announcers had said spoke no english during the show. He was placing bets on football in heavily Brooklyn-accented English with a local bookie who hung around the wrestlers. It all hit me at once then-as if the proverbial light bulb went on.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 17, 2014 16:14:43 GMT -5
When Ryder faced that jobber whose trunks ripped at the crotch, it's safe to say many were exposed to The Business.
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 17, 2014 16:15:41 GMT -5
One that made me think it was all real was seeing Abdullah's bloody body in the electric chair. When I saw the pictures I cried thinking he was killed, which was weird because I had since seen him on WCW tv.
One that would've killed illusion was when Tony says "this building is rumbling, it's like an avalanche" and out comes Earthquake. Kayfabe killer through foreshadowing.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 17, 2014 16:20:39 GMT -5
When Ryder faced that jobber whose trunks ripped at the crotch, it's safe to say many were exposed to The Business. The jobber was Rory Fox, he starred on True Life "I want to be a Pro Wrestler", weird that he does a documentary exposing the business then exposes himself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 16:54:18 GMT -5
Just an FYI, the purpose of the thread is to share moments that made you believe or moments that exposed the business to you. It doesn't necessarily have to be something that turned you from a 100% believer to a 100% disbeliever. I kind of always knew that wrestling wasn't "real" but I still believed in some parts of it because I didn't really know how it worked. Bass cutting Beefcake with the spur was a moment that seemed incredibly real to me, whereas the Undertaker was so fake that there was no room for 12 year old me to suspend disbelief.
Nailz and Bossman is another good mention, because he just seemed like such a legit psychopath. The beating he gave Bossman was disconcerting.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 17, 2014 17:10:42 GMT -5
I was sincerely terrified when Savage was bitten by the cobra.
Conversely, I knew wrestling (at least WCW) was fake the second Robocop showed up. My dad had already explained that movies were fake, so at age 4 I could connect the dots on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 17:21:00 GMT -5
I remember being one of those types that knew deep down it was fake, but tried to find stuff and reassure myself that it was indeed real.
There was a Meng/Chris Benoit match where Meng hit an absolutely sick brainbuster, and that was one of those times where I was able to reassure myself that it was real.
I actually had sort of a moment like this last night watching an old Nitro. It was the angle where Pillman cut a promo on Paul Orndorff, who came out and got piledriven on the floor by the Horsemen. Pillman's promo went long and Gene Okerlund looked legitimately annoyed, he just kept talking and talking. It felt so off-the-rails that his mentioning Orndorff at the end felt like it wasn't scripted to happen. Then Orndorff came out and I knew I got worked. But then the brawl that ensued felt very realistic, with Flair and Arn sturrling mightily to keep an enraged Orndorff down, so I thought again things had gone off the rails. Then they pick him up and piledrive him, and he does a stretcher job. Awesome stuff.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Sept 17, 2014 17:21:12 GMT -5
I believed when I saw Macho Man attack Ricky Steamboat with the timekeeper's bell and crush his larynx....was quite shocking to see at a young age, and late on a Saturday Night.
What exposed me to the business being fake was Nailz as well. When he came out and attacked Big Bossman, my only thought was "What the hell is Mr. Magnificent Kevin Kelly doing in prison garb?" That's when I knew something wasn't right.
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Post by Woo on Sept 17, 2014 17:28:12 GMT -5
I wasnt allowed to watch wrestling as a kid due to my Mum saying it was too violent. Then in school in 1994 I heard the kids at lunch who did watch it say that Undertaker had been killed after being put into a coffin and I was horrified. I couldn't believe that these men would literally fight to the death.
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