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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 18, 2014 13:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 18, 2014 13:16:42 GMT -5
This alone was why I supported the XFL. I was an Orlando Rage season ticket holder and enjoyed hearing how these guys would use their "win bonus" to pay off debts, buy clothes for their kids, fix up their house or work on a business.
Even in 2001 I was sick of NFL players being paid millions of dollars before they even played ONE down of Pro Football.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 18, 2014 13:36:17 GMT -5
^^^ For that reason alone, I'm glad I never, ever, supported the XFL.
$100 million to launch a league, and you're paying your players, whom you're INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO GET INJURED (if we go by the XFL's own rules and the way the article is written) a pittance?
Just more of Vince McMahon's typical awfulness: underpay and undervalue your workers, proclaim the virtue of those who will take it on the chin, degrade and drag anyone through the mud who sees through the BS and walks away.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 18, 2014 13:40:55 GMT -5
Remember, this was four years before Eddie, six years before Benoit, and long before Chris Nowinski (though shortly after Bret Hart). and that $100 million is chump change for a start-up football leage at that level. TV contract, stadium leasing, uniform design, development of the "Madden Cam", and hiring staff (since they couldn't just "borrow" already in place WWE stuff). The NFL is a multi-BILLION dollar business that gives guys who they don't even know if they can play at the pro level tens of millions of dollars and expects these kids to behave? With the money Vince was paying out, injuries or no, at least those people were there TO PLAY. In the NFL, you can commit crimes and stub your toes and still get hundreds of thousands of dollars a week. I've got a clean criminal record, they can sign me  |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 18, 2014 13:47:25 GMT -5
If he'd taken the carny bullshit out of it, and marketed it as an alternative/feeder system instead; it might still be around.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 18, 2014 13:58:39 GMT -5
Plus, lets be honest, the football was mediocre
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 18, 2014 14:00:02 GMT -5
The football was mediocre but affordable - the cost of a season pass to XFL games cost about as much as 1 NFL game (and they won't be NEAR as good seats)
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 18, 2014 14:00:47 GMT -5
^^^ For that reason alone, I'm glad I never, ever, supported the XFL. $100 million to launch a league, and you're paying your players, whom you're INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO GET INJURED (if we go by the XFL's own rules and the way the article is written) a pittance? Just more of Vince McMahon's typical awfulness: underpay and undervalue your workers, proclaim the virtue of those who will take it on the chin, degrade and drag anyone through the mud who sees through the BS and walks away. My math got them spending a grand total of 20 million in player wages where at worst a position player got paid 48K for a full season where they didn't win a game and the worst team in the league got 2 wins next worse got 4. CFL has an average of 80k today. So at worst it would seem competitive to the CFL. |
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 18, 2014 15:19:12 GMT -5
Eh, I still prefer the Arena/Indoor leagues.
So much fun to watch.
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Post by Ganon83 on Sept 18, 2014 15:23:45 GMT -5
The XFL was kind of like the many leagues before it- it tried to tackle (pun not intended) the NFL way too early. There will never be another AFL, a league that can and did challenge the NFL relatively early in its life cycle.
The USFL or whatever it was in the 80's was pretty good for a year or so. Then they went to the crapper when Donald Trump (Who owned a team in the league) challenged the NFL directly, the kiss of death being a move to the fall.
Spring/Summer football that starts in like April can work, but it needs to be a modest league that knows there is no way they can compete with the NFL for 10-20 years and instead builds up an audience and always stays in the spring, unless they eventually merge with the NFL.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Sept 18, 2014 15:25:27 GMT -5
I think Vince had the right idea with when to have his season, but it's been rumored that news outlets weren't allowed to talk about XFL because the NFL would get all butthurt about it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 18, 2014 15:26:21 GMT -5
^^^ For that reason alone, I'm glad I never, ever, supported the XFL. $100 million to launch a league, and you're paying your players, whom you're INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO GET INJURED (if we go by the XFL's own rules and the way the article is written) a pittance? Just more of Vince McMahon's typical awfulness: underpay and undervalue your workers, proclaim the virtue of those who will take it on the chin, degrade and drag anyone through the mud who sees through the BS and walks away. My math got them spending a grand total of 20 million in player wages where at worst a position player got paid 48K for a full season where they didn't win a game and the worst team in the league got 2 wins next worse got 4. CFL has an average of 80k today. So at worst it would seem competitive to the CFL. Which sounds alright, until we get into the rules, which, again, were designed with making sure players got hit harder and put themselves at deeper risk in mind. If it was just minor league football, the fine; most minor league athletes don't get paid very much (I wish they'd fix that), but they're still investments for the big league clubs and thus get taken care of decently. This was meant to be a prime time league, and its rules were made to ensure more pain on the part of the players. You want to do that, pay up, and big time. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2014 15:57:15 GMT -5
Vince should have focused on his wrestling company, and not wasted money on yet another non-wrestling related venture which failed like all the others.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 18, 2014 15:59:51 GMT -5
As I recall, the XFL teams pretty much got stuck with the leftovers from the NFL and CFL drafts. Might explain the lousy play on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 16:03:16 GMT -5
XFL was on some other bullshit. "Gutless Rusty" and having two dudes sprint downfield and try to recover the ball instead of a coin flip were some real winning ideas.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 18, 2014 16:22:36 GMT -5
Vince should have focused on his wrestling company, and not wasted money on yet another non-wrestling related venture which failed like all the others. Pretty much the only one of these ventures that has made money is WWE Films, which I guess has the cheapo film formula down well enough to turn a profit. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2014 16:26:37 GMT -5
I'd have WWE Films make unashamed B-monster movies. They'd be much more enjoyable. SyFy has figured this out with Tigercamel vs Elephantshark and other similar titles.
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Post by Glitch on Sept 18, 2014 16:35:46 GMT -5
Another thing that shows that Vince did not learn his lesson from the Wbf. Same formula.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Sept 18, 2014 16:53:36 GMT -5
Another thing that shows that Vince did not learn his lesson from the Wbf. Same formula. There are actually fans of football though, so at least it was a step in the right direction. |
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Post by ICBM on Sept 18, 2014 16:56:25 GMT -5
Honestly I was so anti-V nice back then I wanted it to fail so bad. Now I look back and I give the guy credit for making a go of it. It wasn't that expensive to do(I wonder if the team owners paid out the players?) compared to the NFL, NBA, MLB. It certainly was well marketed. They turned the full attention of the Titan marketing machine onto it and it had attention when it launched. If it would have worked with adjustments, it could have made a little money and expanded the worth of WWE in the marketplace. He knew the risk and accepted it and invested in it. I won't grudge the guy for doing that. Nobody here has ever risked so much.
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