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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 9:05:25 GMT -5
His Hogan-topping reaction last night shows something will probably be done. They'll likely run with it for a bit but they won't stand for it too much longer. They'll either make him wrestle the same match 20 times until people are bored of his programme (the Orton factor) or they'll consistently refuse to let him get the upper hand e.g every Raw will end with a beat-down by the hands of the Authority and HHH standing over him in the ring, for there never to be any satisfactory comeuppance aside from a minor scuffle from which HHH emerges somewhat hurt momentarily.
You can almost see the wheels in motion in his head, thinking about how to put Ambrose in his place. It wouldn't surprise me if in the coming weeks editions of the Observer are reporting that there's 'heat' on Ambrose for 'going into business for himself' by eliciting larger crowd reactions/ratings than other segments.
So how will it be done. How will we get from Ambrose being the hottest property in WWE and a star that can potentially attract a new/larger audience to where we'll be in February when he's in a lower-card feud with a returning Chris Jericho after several weeks of failing to best the Authority?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 30, 2014 9:09:04 GMT -5
The same way they did Bryan, I guess... By putting him over clean at WrestleMania, the monsters.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Sept 30, 2014 9:10:31 GMT -5
The same way they did Bryan, I guess... By putting him over clean at WrestleMania, the monsters. After about six months of miserable booking and torturous television for his fans, of course. That's the part OP is referring to.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 30, 2014 9:20:01 GMT -5
The same way they did Bryan, I guess... By putting him over clean at WrestleMania, the monsters. After about six months of miserable booking and torturous television for his fans, of course. That's the part OP is referring to. I'm on record here about twenty times over stating how I never considered Bryan to be buried in that angle to begin with. Was it great TV? Most of the time, no. Was he sidetracked with the Wyatt Family thing, and Big Show sharing his feud? Definitely. But dammit it felt great when he won the big one again because he went through hell to get it. Getting back on the topic, though, I refuse to treat Ambrose being "buried" as though it's some sort of foregone conclusion. The day I become THAT cynical and bitter is the day I stop watching wrestling.
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5
I get the whole "make someone seem special by making them jump through hoops" premise.
But when there's so many hoops - you sometimes wonder who they really want to get over - the jumper or the hoops.
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 30, 2014 9:21:55 GMT -5
The Demon KANE
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 30, 2014 9:23:46 GMT -5
Getting back on the topic, though, I refuse to treat Ambrose being "buried" as though it's some sort of foregone conclusion. YOU MEAN HE'S GONNA BE A ZOMBIE WHEN HE DIES!?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 30, 2014 9:24:49 GMT -5
If I had a nickel every time someone misused the word buried, I'd be buried.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 30, 2014 9:25:29 GMT -5
Getting back on the topic, though, I refuse to treat Ambrose being "buried" as though it's some sort of foregone conclusion. YOU MEAN HE'S GONNA BE A ZOMBIE WHEN HE DIES!? At this point, that's almost his character. If King didn't suck ass on commentary nowadays, I could see him probably throwing out something like "You don't want to kill Dean, that'll just make him angry!"
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 9:30:57 GMT -5
I can't help being negative. It may not be implicitly burying him but it'll be an attempt to slowly erode his momentum by stealth. The end game is always - what will keep HHH as the number 1 guy on television in X number of months time. That's the end result. Challenges to his 'Authority' will come and go - he'll always be there because it seems they like being on TV. The only way to change that is to let someone get the better of them for an indefinite period of time and go on a Vince-style sabbatical for a few months but who can honestly see that happening? Whatever the conclusion it'll be one that will allow HHH/Steph to continue their cock-of-the-walk roles unhindered.
It may not be an out and out burial but it'll probably be a succession of upper-hand ends to TV shows and PPVs with only a smattering of unsatisfactory comeuppances until they can argue that Ambrose has lost heat. I don't see any other way. I do not possibly see them agreeing that Ambrose should 'best' them in anyway that doesnt lead to them immediately reasserting their power over him the very next week.
Vince allowed Austin to put him in his place and wasn't constant on TV even in his peak years, often taken many weeks/months away from the front line. NOTHING can/will be done to HHH that won't have him back the very next week with his status unaffected. I don't see how that's long-term compatible with pushing any new stars to the level Ambrose should be at.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 30, 2014 9:34:44 GMT -5
I can't help being negative. It may not be implicitly burying him but it'll be an attempt to slowly erode his momentum by stealth. The end game is always - what will keep HHH as the number 1 guy on television in X number of months time. That's the end result. Challenges to his 'Authority' will come and go - he'll always be there because it seems they like being on TV. The only way to change that is to let someone get the better of them for an indefinite period of time and go on a Vince-style sabbatical for a few months but who can honestly see that happening? Whatever the conclusion it'll be one that will allow HHH/Steph to continue their cock-of-the-walk roles unhindered. It may not be an out and out burial but it'll probably be a succession of upper-hand ends to TV shows and PPVs with only a smattering of unsatisfactory comeuppances until they can argue that Ambrose has lost heat. I don't see any other way. I do not possibly see them agreeing that Ambrose should 'best' them in anyway that doesnt lead to them immediately reasserting their power over him the very next week. I can understand that fans are gunshy, but Triple H already put over Dean, what, 3 PPVs in a row? How many times did Evolution pin Dean, or Seth, or Roman? I think the only match they beat them in was Batista vs Rollins, in a count out. Triple H has, ultimately, put over Shield/its former members quite a lot. No surprise that Dean and the others have often been said to be projects for Hunter, and while Sin Cara blew it, Shield took every opportunity they were given and excelled.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 30, 2014 9:57:55 GMT -5
HHH has earned a lot of goodwill this year. It's starting to look like his burying days are over.
Now, Vince, through the commentators? Who knows.
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 10:00:29 GMT -5
HHH has earned a lot of goodwill this year. It's starting to look like his burying days are over. Now, Vince, through the commentators? Who knows. I'd buy his burying days or over if his conclusion to every storyline wasn't his authority being cemented and him acting like dick to 99% of the subservient roster. There needs to be a comeuppance whose conclusion isn't HHH being back the next show in exactly the same position. Nobody really gets the better of him if his status on the show is seamless and unaffected, which it invariably is.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 30, 2014 10:00:46 GMT -5
They won't intentionally bury Ambrose until at least after Reigns and Bryan come back. Right now he's the only guy they've got aside from Cena, and he's definitely the only fresh babyface they have.
Now unintentionally? Well, all bets are off.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 30, 2014 10:11:25 GMT -5
HHH has earned a lot of goodwill this year. It's starting to look like his burying days are over. Now, Vince, through the commentators? Who knows. I'd buy his burying days or over if his conclusion to every storyline wasn't his authority being cemented and him acting like dick to 99% of the subservient roster. There needs to be a comeuppance whose conclusion isn't HHH being back the next show in exactly the same position. Nobody really gets the better of him if his status on the show is seamless and unaffected, which it invariably is. I do agree with that. There needs to be a definitive endgame for The Authority.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 10:12:51 GMT -5
They'll start booking him like a chump to see if he can still get over, then wonder why he's not insanely over like Cena.
Ambrose becomes Ziggler 2.0 because he doesn't have "it."
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Post by Lancers on Sept 30, 2014 10:28:19 GMT -5
If I had a nickel every time someone misused the word buried, I'd be buried. If I had a nickel for everytime someone misused the word buried, I would use that money to have myself cryogenically frozen until they find the cure for whatever disease I have so I can live for an extra three months before I get diagnosed with another disease without a cure.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 30, 2014 12:25:05 GMT -5
I'd buy his burying days or over if his conclusion to every storyline wasn't his authority being cemented and him acting like dick to 99% of the subservient roster. There needs to be a comeuppance whose conclusion isn't HHH being back the next show in exactly the same position. Nobody really gets the better of him if his status on the show is seamless and unaffected, which it invariably is. I do agree with that. There needs to be a definitive endgame for The Authority. I still think Sting coming in and becoming an erstwhile boss replacing H & Company would be a great way to kill the Authority angle satisfyingly, as well as a good way to bring Sting into WWE TV outside of an Undertaker match or whatever.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 30, 2014 12:40:22 GMT -5
The same way they did Bryan, I guess... By putting him over clean at WrestleMania, the monsters. After the crowd forces his hand because he refused to just simply push him the way a talent of his caliber deserves to begin with?
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 12:43:24 GMT -5
Aesthetically you could half understand hesitancy in this media age to make 'ugly bloke with a beard' your flagship, but Ambrose is sexy in a way that doesn't make men hate him and could work in that role going by this shallow criteria that's realistically at least part of the consideration when deciding these things.
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