TGM
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Post by TGM on Sept 30, 2014 10:32:40 GMT -5
Let's say sometime after WrestleMania, WWE announce CM Punk is returning for his first match in nearly two years at Survivor Series. They announce this at say Summerslam and promote vignettes of his return.
Ambrose is high from finally beating that scoundrel Seth Rollins at Mania and doesn't like the attention that Punk's return is receiving.
He calls out Punk weekly and Punk responds that he's here to prove he's still The Best In The World and accepts Ambrose's challenge. Ambrose isn't outright a heel but is clearly the heel in this feud.
Survivor Series comes around and Punk narrowly gets the win (maybe even directly ripping off the Million Dollar Dream cradle finish) in a hard fought match that shows that he's still got it, but Dean was thisclose to winning.
Yadda yadda yadda, Ambrose goes on to beat Punk for the title at WrestleMania, handshake, hug, respect. Might be a good way for Punk to call it quits for good, because he and Ambrose are real life buddies and nobody wants their 'retirement match' to be an elimination from Kane in a nondescript Royal Rumble.
There was a lot more to the Hart / Austin feud with several other matches, bit players (Owen, Undertaker, HBK), the double turn etc but this is all I have currently.
Yay or nay?
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Post by jp49er80 on Sept 30, 2014 10:37:13 GMT -5
Punk isn't coming back, so it's unlikely.
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Boo!
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 10:37:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's wise in this stage of his development to stick Ambrose in a match with someone who'll get a lot of 'back home' support after a lengthy absence. Bret had been around for a long while by the time WM13 came around and was part of the furniture. I think pairing Ambrose with Punk will only serve to take away from his heat, regardless if he wins the match or not.
Besides Ambrose should never handshake anyone.
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TGM
Hank Scorpio
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Post by TGM on Sept 30, 2014 10:39:48 GMT -5
Punk isn't coming back, so it's unlikely. Sorry I'll close the thread.
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Post by jp49er80 on Sept 30, 2014 10:40:56 GMT -5
Haha, no need for that...
It would be cool yes...is it likely? Probably not.
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Dennis Stamp
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 10:52:13 GMT -5
I think Ambrose is more over now than Austin going into (and coming out of) WM13
Then it was Heel that was slowly gaining fan support vs Face well on his way to everyone being sick of him and turning. The dynamic is incomparable to Well supported face vs Returning solid fan favourite
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Sept 30, 2014 10:53:34 GMT -5
I think Ambrose is more over now than Austin going into (and coming out of) WM13 Uhhhhh....no.
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 10:56:35 GMT -5
I think Ambrose is more over now than Austin going into (and coming out of) WM13 Uhhhhh....no. Of course he is Austin was getting nowhere near the same reactions Ambrose is getting going into that match. I know the officialnarrative is that he was hugely popular and WM13 sent him over the edge, but that isn't true. Austin was over but nowhere near 'top of the card' over even months after Wm13 and didn't really get 'mega over' until the McMahon/HBK/Tyson thing year later. KOTR 96 and WM 13 were definitely signposts on the way to where he was going, as was his IC feud with Owen later on in 97 but as much as the match with Bret itself has been retospectively announced as THE point it happened, crowd reactions at the time tell you different
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Post by thegame415 on Sept 30, 2014 11:00:49 GMT -5
It would make more sense to do this with Cena.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 30, 2014 11:56:56 GMT -5
Ambrose doesn't need Punk.
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Post by The Tee Why on Sept 30, 2014 12:11:18 GMT -5
I think Ambrose is more over now than Austin going into (and coming out of) WM13 Uhhhhh....no. Yeah I mean the crowd loves the guy but people need to quit comparing the new guys with the old.
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 30, 2014 12:17:04 GMT -5
Of course he is Austin was getting nowhere near the same reactions Ambrose is getting going into that match. I know the officialnarrative is that he was hugely popular and WM13 sent him over the edge, but that isn't true. Austin was over but nowhere near 'top of the card' over even months after Wm13 and didn't really get 'mega over' until the McMahon/HBK/Tyson thing year later. KOTR 96 and WM 13 were definitely signposts on the way to where he was going, as was his IC feud with Owen later on in 97 but as much as the match with Bret itself has been retospectively announced as THE point it happened, crowd reactions at the time tell you different You're both kinda off Ambrose is probably a bigger deal now than SCSA going into Survivor Series 96 Austin was absolutely a big deal by Wrestlemania 13 and could have conceivably been WWF Champion at any point after that. They simply held off until WM 14 to have the big moment. One of the reasons I think Undertaker's 1997 Title reign was less than memorable was because Austin, almost by accident, overtook him as #1 babyface Revenge of the Taker was main evented by Austin-Bret III Cold Day in Hell was Austin challenging Taker King of the Ring was largely sold on Austin vs HBK Canadian Stampede was headlined by the 10 man tag in which Austin captained the American Team Around Summerslam the Main Event picture shifted to Bret/HBK/Taker but this was largely because Austin was injured and even then him stunning authority figures was a major focus Then after the screw job everything began ramping up towards Austin taking the title. So in short...to say Austin was anything but one of the two or three top guys in 97 is totally false.
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Post by Prince Petty on Sept 30, 2014 12:17:17 GMT -5
Punk? No thanks. As bad as Cena is at getting himself over at the expense of others, I think Punk has been just as guilty of it. And Ambrose honestly doesn't need the rub from a returning Punk, who would probably only come back for a few months before quitting again.
Let the WWE actually move forward in truth, with new faces who can build the future of the company together.
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Post by Baby, it’s Jes outside on Sept 30, 2014 12:18:32 GMT -5
As great as Ambrose is, and he IS great, he's Austin-lite. So no.
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 12:25:43 GMT -5
Of course he is Austin was getting nowhere near the same reactions Ambrose is getting going into that match. I know the officialnarrative is that he was hugely popular and WM13 sent him over the edge, but that isn't true. Austin was over but nowhere near 'top of the card' over even months after Wm13 and didn't really get 'mega over' until the McMahon/HBK/Tyson thing year later. KOTR 96 and WM 13 were definitely signposts on the way to where he was going, as was his IC feud with Owen later on in 97 but as much as the match with Bret itself has been retospectively announced as THE point it happened, crowd reactions at the time tell you different You're both kinda off Ambrose is probably a bigger deal now than SCSA going into Survivor Series 96 Austin was absolutely a big deal by Wrestlemania 13 and could have conceivably been WWF Champion at any point after that. They simply held off until WM 14 to have the big moment. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI6JY9aF3mIThis is the Street Fight between Bret and Austin a month after WM13 and a day after their IYH rematch. Austin was over to a degree but the response on his entrance is still quite muted, Hart was booed much stronger upon entrance than Austin was cheered and this was five weeks after WM13. I do think too many people buy into the WWE written narrative on this and misremember the fact that he really wasn't 'WWE champion any time mega over' going into WM13 or for a long while after. Same as after the 'seminal' KOTR 96 he then did stuff that nobody cared much about for a long few months. Yet today the official line is that this was the start of something big. Both KOTR 96 and WM13 were important milestones but their impact is as overrated as the DX 'tank on their lawn' WCW 'invasion'
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Post by Macho Pichu on Sept 30, 2014 12:34:19 GMT -5
As much as I love Punk, if he ever returns he should only come back for one night to say "I'm not coming back. Stop chanting my name at inappropriate times."
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 30, 2014 12:37:33 GMT -5
You're both kinda off Ambrose is probably a bigger deal now than SCSA going into Survivor Series 96 Austin was absolutely a big deal by Wrestlemania 13 and could have conceivably been WWF Champion at any point after that. They simply held off until WM 14 to have the big moment. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI6JY9aF3mIThis is the Street Fight between Bret and Austin a month after WM13 and a day after their IYH rematch. Austin was over to a degree but the response on his entrance is still quite muted, Hart was booed much stronger upon entrance than Austin was cheered and this was five weeks after WM13. I do think too many people buy into the WWE written narrative on this and misremember the fact that he really wasn't 'WWE champion any time mega over' going into WM13 or for a long while after. Same as after the 'seminal' KOTR 96 he then did stuff that nobody cared much about for a long few months. Yet today the official line is that this was the start of something big. Both KOTR 96 and WM13 were important milestones but their impact is as overrated as the DX 'tank on their lawn' WCW 'invasion' Keep in mind given the timeframe A. We're probably In a 6000 seat building that was half full B. Austin had already been on this show more than once (which always effects the pop) I was at a Raw in Des Moines about a month after this and can tell you with 100% certainty Austin was the most over guy there and it wasn't close. Was he getting 1998-99 pops in 97? No, no one was. Was he the most over babyface in the company? Unquestionably. Almost immediately after WM 13. That's not me buying into a WWE produced narrative. I lived it. KOTR 96 as some major moment is revisionist history. WM 13 most certainly is not.
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 12:40:07 GMT -5
But you can pick any Austin appearance in the weeks following or leading up to WM13 as you like the reaction is the same. McMahon is shilling on commentary to a reaction that isn't yet there and wouldn't be for while.
Ambrose NOW is more over than that Stone Cold. If we were to compare him to late 97 Austin it'd be different.
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 30, 2014 12:46:04 GMT -5
But you can pick any Austin appearance in the weeks following or leading up to WM13 as you like the reaction is the same. McMahon is shilling on commentary to a reaction that isn't yet there and wouldn't be for while. Ambrose NOW is more over than that Stone Cold. If we were to compare him to late 97 Austin it'd be different. We can agree to disagree then. Ambrose is on no sane planet more over now than Austin was at any point after Wrestlemania 13. Austin 3:16 shirts were already flying off merchandise stands in 1997. WWE Home Video released their first non coliseum produced video about Austin in 1997. I love Ambrose and think he's going places but good grief.
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Post by Boo! on Sept 30, 2014 12:49:18 GMT -5
But you can pick any Austin appearance in the weeks following or leading up to WM13 as you like the reaction is the same. McMahon is shilling on commentary to a reaction that isn't yet there and wouldn't be for while. Ambrose NOW is more over than that Stone Cold. If we were to compare him to late 97 Austin it'd be different. We can agree to disagree then. Ambrose is on no sane planet more over now than Austin was at any point after Wrestlemania 13. Austin 3:16 shirts were already flying off merchandise stands in 1997. WWE Home Video released their first non coliseum produced video about Austin in 1997. I love Ambrose and think he's going places but good grief. Where is the proof of this? All we have is a muted reaction to which you're claiming criteria disqualification. Watch a Raw or PPV from that era and Austin is nowhere near the most over person on the card. Later he became that and now WM13 is a convenient focal point for that but at WM13 he certainly wasn't there. If you can show me any show from that immediacy that shows Austin as the top or top two over person on the show I may concede but I don't think you can, because he wasn't. People view Austin as would be and assume he always was. Austin didn't really start to take off until much later than WM13, maybe even months. But it's the conveinent focal point. If people used the Network to watch shows of that time frame around WM13 they may be surprised at how underwhelming Austin's reactions are compared to what they presume them to have been. It may have been the start but it still had a while to burn after before we saw the fireworks we all now associate with him.
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