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Post by ToyfareMark on Oct 4, 2014 14:13:36 GMT -5
And name an athlete who doesn't get enough.
Too much respect: Joe Namath. To many people Joe Namath is a legend, and they're right. But he's more of a legend for his brash personality, and his famous guarantee that the Jets would win Super Bowl 3. As a QB, he was definitely a star, and did put up very good numbers for a few years. However he was a product of his environment, the AFL was known for its big passing, and flashy style of play, so Namath of course flourished in those years. After the NFL/AFL merger in 1970 it became a different story. Namath struggled in those years due to a combination of very bad knees, and an increased level of competition due playing against more talented teams post merger. Without Super Bowl 3, and his larger than life persona, I don't think Joe Namath would be a hall of famer.
Not enough respect: Larry Holmes. When many people talk about the greatest heavyweight champions of all time, Larry Holmes doesn't seem to get brought up much. This is despite the fact that he reigned as champion for 7 years, and had 20 successful title defenses. Larry was a victim of his era, he had to follow one of the greatest, and most beloved heavyweight champions of all time in Muhammad Ali. He was also on top at a time when the heavyweight division took a tremendous drop in quality from its apex in the 1970's. Holmes was the consummate champion though, he took on every challenger, and ducked absolutely nobody. People also took his skills into question, however Holmes had the perfect combination of power, and pure boxing skill. Larry Holmes has started getting more respect in recent years, but many people still view him as a caretaker champion who bridged the era between Ali, and Mike Tyson. Which is a shame because Larry should be considered in top 5 heavyweight champions of all time.
So there's my thoughts, how about you guys?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 4, 2014 14:19:52 GMT -5
Too much recently is Derek Jeter. Don't get me wrong, he's been GREAT; but this Godification of him in this last year was a lil ridiculous.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 4, 2014 14:31:22 GMT -5
Not enough: Stan Musial. Not among die hard baseball fans, but he's probably not mentioned enough as he oughta be given his numbers and a pretty Jeter-esque reputation.
Too much: David Ortiz because I'm a sore loser.
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Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Oct 4, 2014 14:35:36 GMT -5
All of them.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Oct 4, 2014 14:36:33 GMT -5
Not enough: Stan Musial. Not among die hard baseball fans, but he's probably not mentioned enough as he oughta be given his numbers and a pretty Jeter-esque reputation. Too much: David Ortiz because I'm a sore loser. Interesting fact about Stan Musial, he had same number of hits at home, as he did on the road. That's amazing!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 14:41:14 GMT -5
I don't think you can respect someone too much.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Oct 4, 2014 14:51:58 GMT -5
No respect: Thornton Melon, great diver, but no respect.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 4, 2014 15:12:34 GMT -5
Not enough respect? That's easy. Coach Chester Lee. He's one of the best coaches in the game of soccer and yet he gets no respect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 15:14:18 GMT -5
Not enough respect: Roberto Clemente. Great player and even better person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 15:16:46 GMT -5
Too much respect: Derek Jeter. Kevin already said why.
Not enough respect: I agree with Clash. Stan Musial is a good choice.
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Post by Some Guy on Oct 4, 2014 15:17:58 GMT -5
Too much respect: Allen Iverson. I don't think he even approaches a top 100 player of all time, and people act like he's one of the greats. He was a complete chucker with unbelievably atrocious efficiency for most of his career, and never adapted his style of play. People also seem to think he "dragged a horrible 76ers team" to the Finals, which isn't true at all since the team was filled with great defenders and rebounders to offset his style of play. Plus, the Bucks should have beat them that year, it's not their fault that George Karl sucks.
Not enough respect: Andruw Jones. Best defensive player of all time in the MLB maybe, and for that he should be in the Hall of Fame when his time is up.
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Post by JTG Fan on Oct 4, 2014 15:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 4, 2014 15:21:39 GMT -5
Not enough respect : Service academy football players. Knowing their futures won't be in the NFL making millions but going out every week and competing against those that will, yet doing so and succeeding.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 4, 2014 15:26:27 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised to see Clemente and Musial mentioned. I feel like both are among the most respected baseball players ever. Maybe you can make the case for Clemente as strictly an athlete, but his humanitarianism is widely respected and revered.
Too much respect: Yeah I agree with David Ortiz.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Oct 4, 2014 15:28:36 GMT -5
Too much: Matt Ryan. He consistently chokes, throws INT's in crucial situations, and has won a whole one playoff game. Yet,'Matty Ice' is still thrown around like he's some sort of offensive assassin.
Not enough: Tim Hudson.
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Post by fw91 on Oct 4, 2014 15:28:45 GMT -5
Too Much: Jeter Not Enough: Lennox Lewis- Guy dominated his era
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 15:58:51 GMT -5
Too much: Matt Ryan. He consistently chokes, throws INT's in crucial situations, and has won a whole one playoff game. Yet,'Matty Ice' is still thrown around like he's some sort of offensive assassin. Not enough: Tim Hudson. Matt Ryan also plays against some of the worst defenses in the NFL, plays more than half his games indoors, and up until this season, had possibly the greatest receiving tight end to ever play the game helping him out. Too Much: Jeter Not Enough: Lennox Lewis- Guy dominated his era Lewis is an interesting one. He never shows up in conversations about "best ever" because he fought in a relatively weak era, but that really shouldn't take away from his technical expertise. On the other hand, he absolutely abused the clinch as he got older and slowed down, and that will rapidly kill a boxer's credibility. I can't say I blame the people who want clinching to incur point deductions. It's allowed some absolutely over the hill fighters to continue on past their primes.
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Post by unc40 on Oct 4, 2014 16:28:53 GMT -5
Too Much Respect:
Derek Jeter - A great player but the media made him out to be greater than he really was. Closers in Baseball - Their importance to a team is on the level of a pinch hitter or a defensive replacements not a starting pitcher or clean up hitter. Tim Tebow - Great college player but mostly due to the system he played in at Florida. When he got to the pros he was exposed. Bo Jackson - Not in football but in his baseball career he had more strikeouts than walks and hits combined. He wasn't the greatest fielder either.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 4, 2014 16:34:20 GMT -5
Dodney Rangerfield. He plays volleyball, you probably never heard of him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 16:41:26 GMT -5
Not enough:
-Nicklas Lidstrom. Probably in the top 5 or top 3 of greatest defensemen of all time. He could of easily played a few more seasons and still be great. He's probably the prototype of the perfect defenseman/player
-Vitali Klitschko. Is one of the all time greats in boxing for sure. Possibly the greatest heavyweight fighter period. Like I'm sure he would of beaten all of the boxing greats in their prime. Has never been knocked down, knocked out, 2nd highest knockout percentage only behind Rocky Marciano. One of the most intelligent boxers of all time and an even better person (don't want to break the no politics rule)
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