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Post by 2CSultan on Oct 19, 2014 21:38:18 GMT -5
As good as they were, their shortcomings have been pointed out by a few people. For my money, Monsoon/Ventura and JR/Heyman (Pre Invasion) are the greatest announce teams of all time.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 19, 2014 21:44:16 GMT -5
Heenan and Monsoon made Survivor Series 91 watchable.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:52 GMT -5
Once Heenan left for wcw in 93 neither man was the same. As much as i liked Monsoon/Polo and Monsoon/Ross, Gorilla seemed bored without heenan to work with, and once his son tragically died, he became even more disinterested (for obvious reasons) and grumpier too, constantly getting on the case of the referee for bad calls. Heenan did start off ok in wcw, but the disorganization of the company led him to sleepwalk through his job, with occasional good moments (ie, "College!" and sucking up to the nwo for the nwo nitro episode). That said, i did like how he continued to support flair, nice continuity nod there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:08:31 GMT -5
Once Heenan left for wcw in 93 neither man was the same. As much as i liked Monsoon/Polo and Monsoon/Ross, Gorilla seemed bored without heenan to work with, and once his son tragically died, he became even more disinterested (for obvious reasons) and grumpier too, constantly getting on the case of the referee for bad calls. Heenan did start off ok in wcw, but the disorganization of the company led him to sleepwalk through his job, with occasional good moments (ie, "College!" and sucking up to the nwo for the nwo nitro episode). That said, i did like how he continued to support flair, nice continuity nod there. I was watching Monsoon and Ross on Survivor Series '93 and it was weird. It's like they were both doing play by play over the top of each other, naturally with Ross talking 90WPM faster than Monsoon, while Monsoon just spat familiar phrases that could apply to any move.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 20, 2014 12:33:11 GMT -5
Heenan and Monsoon's double act served to make the product better than it was. You can't hard sell everything for three hours or even an hour. If everything is über important eventually what IS important gets lost in the 'announcer who cried wolf'' syndrome or Tony Schiavoneitus. You need light and shade and their job was more to guide us through an evening of wrestling and build feuds, storylines and whet appetites for the next house show in the area, the next TV special or the next PPV. They didn't need to, and didn't, spend time calling an arm bar or talking you through a vs jobber match like you were blind and thought it was a sport.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 14:04:16 GMT -5
Heenan and Monsoon's double act served to make the product better than it was. You can't hard sell everything for three hours or even an hour. If everything is über important eventually what IS important gets lost in the 'announcer who cried wolf'' syndrome or Tony Schiavoneitus. You need light and shade and their job was more to guide us through an evening of wrestling and build feuds, storylines and whet appetites for the next house show in the area, the next TV special or the next PPV. They didn't need to, and didn't, spend time calling an arm bar or talking you through a vs jobber match like you were blind and thought it was a sport. I agree with this. I think there's a middle ground. Obviously, Monsoon/Heenan would be at one end of the spectrum whereas the other end would be AWA's Larry Nelson describing every single thing that's happening on the screen as if we're listening to it on the radio. But, if I had to take one over the other I would take Monsoon/Heenan without even having to think about it. Like you say, they could make a crappy match entertaining whereas a telling us what we're seeing blow by blow doesn't really enhance anything.
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Post by khali on Oct 20, 2014 19:09:22 GMT -5
I will say too, I'm watching the Raws from 93 and Heenan/McMahon work together pretty well. Vince was a good straight man. More than once, there was a poll where Heenan's go-to response was "I picked Booger," with Vince making disgusted faces in response.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 21, 2014 9:07:17 GMT -5
But Heenan and Monsoon could hard-sell too. RR92, WM8 title match, Savage v Warrior - any Hogan match, really. It's what I liked about them.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 21, 2014 9:54:25 GMT -5
In my opinion, this is Heenan and Monsoon at their best :
SummerSlam 91 Survivor Series 91 Royal Rumble 92 WrestleMania 8
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 21, 2014 10:59:17 GMT -5
Heenan & Monsoon's job at RR 1992 has to be the greatest announcing job ever.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 21, 2014 13:52:12 GMT -5
Heenan & Monsoon's job at RR 1992 has to be the greatest announcing job ever. In my opinion, it's a tie between Royal Rumble 1992 and WrestleMania 8.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 21, 2014 17:03:46 GMT -5
As much as I loved Heenan/Monsoon, I think I like the Vince/Jesse combo a bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 19:24:24 GMT -5
I just watched Survivor Series '93 and laughed several times at Bobby. I haven't always given Vince a lot of credit for his announcing because of a few things I found annoying, but he did really well as Bobby's straight man.
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Post by wildojinx on Oct 21, 2014 19:52:32 GMT -5
In my opinion, this is Heenan and Monsoon at their best :
SummerSlam 91 Survivor Series 91 Royal Rumble 92 WrestleMania 8 Summerslam 91 was also a great show for Piper as well, paticularly how emotional he got during hart/perfect and virgil/dibiase.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 21, 2014 20:56:44 GMT -5
I found Piper got in the way. Same as Savage. JR/Heenan would have been a great double act with Heenan heeling it up. With Ross, as with McMahon he wouldn't 'fear' him as he would with Monsoon who physically could kick his ass. But every time there'd be an interesting dialogue between JR and Heenan, Savage would interrupt just saying general non-relevant crap like:
"Wrestlemania Niiiiiiiiine, feeling fine that's what it's all about.." and totally ruin the flow of the announcing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 22, 2014 12:13:41 GMT -5
JR and Heenan had great chemistry at WMIX
As for Macho, he should have been wrestling at that PPV.
Never understood why Vince decided to bench him
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 22, 2014 14:31:20 GMT -5
Gorilla and Ventura were my favorite duo, but I see how Gorilla and Heenan are extremely popular. They were pretty much 1B in my book.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 22, 2014 15:56:31 GMT -5
Usually on TV it was:
McMahon & Ventura Monsoon & Heenan
The dynamic was different with both with Ventura getting the better of McMahon ("Shut up, McMahon!") and Monsoon getting the best of Heenan. When they paired Monsoon and Ventura for PPVs the dynamic was different as there was a mutual respect there. You felt that it was two friends with a differing view whereas with Heenan and Monsoon it was two people who really didn't like each other
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 19:13:49 GMT -5
In my opinion, this is Heenan and Monsoon at their best :
SummerSlam 91 Survivor Series 91 Royal Rumble 92 WrestleMania 8 Summerslam 91 was also a great show for Piper as well, paticularly how emotional he got during hart/perfect and virgil/dibiase. I also thought Roddy Piper did a good job as color man after Jesse left. He had unmatched enthusiasm for the product, and he was a babyface who would speak his mind, even if he was jabbing other babyfaces.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 23, 2014 15:03:38 GMT -5
Summerslam 91 was also a great show for Piper as well, paticularly how emotional he got during hart/perfect and virgil/dibiase. I also thought Roddy Piper did a good job as color man after Jesse left. He had unmatched enthusiasm for the product, and he was a babyface who would speak his mind, even if he was jabbing other babyfaces. I agree. One of the things that made SummerSlam 91 great was the interaction between Monsoon, Heenan, and Piper.
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