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Post by Boo! on Oct 19, 2014 8:01:08 GMT -5
Quake got the heat because it was Hogan. Vs Warrior it would have been a much less heated feud.
Its like the Hogan v Rock WM match, saying Angle or RVD should have got the match with Rock because theyre younger and match quality would be better but it would miss the point, it worked because it was Hogan, the same goes here.
If Warrior got Quake and Hogan got Rude we would all be sat here now asking how unfair it was Warrior fought Quake as Hogan's feud with Rude was much better
If you cant sell theres no point sticking you in an angle where thats all you do pretty much
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Post by Joe Neglia on Oct 20, 2014 1:11:00 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that Earthquake was still fairly fresh to the WWF, and it wasn't too far removed from that timeframe that he debuted by destroying Warrior in similar fashion to how he would start the feud with Hogan. McMahon had been dying to pit Rude in the main event scene for a while; the only reason he hadn't yet was because Hogan didn't think a program between the two would work. Warrior wasn't as hung up on Rude being a "smaller" guy (which he really wasn't, but Hogan seemed to feel so. With his two most recent feuds having been Perfect and Savage, perhaps Hogan wanted to go back to a more traditional "dragonslayer" role).
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 20, 2014 2:01:12 GMT -5
Hogan had a few advantages over Cena in those days: 1. He was Hogan. 2. He wasn't overexposed like Cena is. Quake was a good feud for Hogan. I always thought Quake was one of the most underrated big men. The dude was as strong as anyone I know of - he caught Bossman coming off the top rope at Series '90. He could also throw an actual dropkick... not a Jerry Blackwell dropkick where he hops 2 inches of the mat and kicks his legs in the air, but an actual dropkick like a man half his size might do. I'm guessing this happened on Superstars? If so, that's about the only time Hogan ever appeared-the occasional promo; he NEVER wrestled on free TV. That's the difference with him and Cena. And it's true of wrestling in general today. Half the matches at Summerslam would have been given away for free on Raw today.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 20, 2014 4:37:20 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that Earthquake was still fairly fresh to the WWF, and it wasn't too far removed from that timeframe that he debuted by destroying Warrior in similar fashion to how he would start the feud with Hogan. McMahon had been dying to pit Rude in the main event scene for a while; the only reason he hadn't yet was because Hogan didn't think a program between the two would work. Warrior wasn't as hung up on Rude being a "smaller" guy (which he really wasn't, but Hogan seemed to feel so. With his two most recent feuds having been Perfect and Savage, perhaps Hogan wanted to go back to a more traditional "dragonslayer" role). And there's also match quality to consider. Rude managed to get a couple of decent matches out of Warrior, by hook or by crook. As we saw with Warrior vs Andre on the house show circuit the matches Warrior had with big guys were butt-ugly. Not that EQ couldn't have had a better match than Andre who was practically physically handicapped at the time. Hogan was a more natural opponent for EQ and ditto Warrior/Rude. The reason why we look back on it now and think that Warrior's first post-WM6 feud was a damp squib is because, with all due respect to the dead, whoever it was it was bound to be unless they stuck him with Savage, which perhaps maybe they should have as he wasn't up to much. But then at that point he'd already been in the main event prior to late 89 so maybe considered a little stale by summer of 1990 for that spot.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Oct 20, 2014 4:47:44 GMT -5
One thing to remember is that Earthquake was still fairly fresh to the WWF, and it wasn't too far removed from that timeframe that he debuted by destroying Warrior in similar fashion to how he would start the feud with Hogan. McMahon had been dying to pit Rude in the main event scene for a while; the only reason he hadn't yet was because Hogan didn't think a program between the two would work. Warrior wasn't as hung up on Rude being a "smaller" guy (which he really wasn't, but Hogan seemed to feel so. With his two most recent feuds having been Perfect and Savage, perhaps Hogan wanted to go back to a more traditional "dragonslayer" role). And there's also match quality to consider. Rude managed to get a couple of decent matches out of Warrior, by hook or by crook. As we saw with Warrior vs Andre on the house show circuit the matches Warrior had with big guys were butt-ugly. Not that EQ couldn't have had a better match than Andre who was practically physically handicapped at the time. Hogan was a more natural opponent for EQ and ditto Warrior/Rude. The reason why we look back on it now and think that Warrior's first post-WM6 feud was a damp squib is because, with all due respect to the dead, whoever it was it was bound to be unless they stuck him with Savage, which perhaps maybe they should have as he wasn't up to much. But then at that point he'd already been in the main event prior to late 89 so maybe considered a little stale by summer of 1990 for that spot. In Warrior's defense of those matches, those were Andre's call because he wanted to get out of there was fast as he could.
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Post by somsta on Oct 20, 2014 8:26:03 GMT -5
This thread just made me really sad thinking of how many guys mentioned are no longer with us - Quake, Macho, Warrior, Perfect, Rude.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 20, 2014 8:35:21 GMT -5
And there's also match quality to consider. Rude managed to get a couple of decent matches out of Warrior, by hook or by crook. As we saw with Warrior vs Andre on the house show circuit the matches Warrior had with big guys were butt-ugly. Not that EQ couldn't have had a better match than Andre who was practically physically handicapped at the time. Hogan was a more natural opponent for EQ and ditto Warrior/Rude. The reason why we look back on it now and think that Warrior's first post-WM6 feud was a damp squib is because, with all due respect to the dead, whoever it was it was bound to be unless they stuck him with Savage, which perhaps maybe they should have as he wasn't up to much. But then at that point he'd already been in the main event prior to late 89 so maybe considered a little stale by summer of 1990 for that spot. In Warrior's defense of those matches, those were Andre's call because he wanted to get out of there was fast as he could. Of course, but then again the length of the matches probably suited and protected Warrior too. You cannot really go 10-20 mins with the guy unless you have an opponent who can work for him. Andre couldn't and whether EQ could or not I'm not entirely sure but I'd doubt it. With warrior unless you were doing a short gimmicky match like vs Andre you really needed someone whom could really sell for him and bump and make him look good in the ring. Hogan did it once but that was under very special circumstances. Earthquake with Warrior would have been the completely wrong match both in terms of storyline and also each character
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Oct 20, 2014 9:17:44 GMT -5
If Warrior was to feud with Quake in early/mid 1990, it would have had to be an entirely different setup than the Hogan/Quake feud. Here's Warrior, freshly crowned champion by beating Hulk freakin' Hogan at WM, and it would have made absolute zero sense to put him on the shelf for months. Could a feud between them have made money? Sure, but not by doing the injury angle, I think.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Oct 20, 2014 9:23:00 GMT -5
In Warrior's defense of those matches, those were Andre's call because he wanted to get out of there was fast as he could. Of course, but then again the length of the matches probably suited and protected Warrior too. You cannot really go 10-20 mins with the guy unless you have an opponent who can work for him. Andre couldn't and whether EQ could or not I'm not entirely sure but I'd doubt it. With warrior unless you were doing a short gimmicky match like vs Andre you really needed someone whom could really sell for him and bump and make him look good in the ring. Hogan did it once but that was under very special circumstances. Earthquake with Warrior would have been the completely wrong match both in terms of storyline and also each character Oddly enough, I was watching Warrior's DVD on Netflix the other night and thought both of the Andre matches were better than I remembered and were better than the Hogan/Andre series from 87/88.
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