Boozeman
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Post by Boozeman on Oct 20, 2014 13:56:41 GMT -5
Funny how nobody ever says stuff like this about Brock Lesnar. I'm guessing it's because unlike The Rock, he would probably not hesitate to show up and shove Rollins into a locker.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 14:55:03 GMT -5
The Rock just comes off like such a disingenuous douche these days. His ultra bright smile, his pandering to the crowd. It's nauseating. And I loved him back in the day.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 20, 2014 15:04:59 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 20, 2014 15:05:21 GMT -5
Cheap heat is still heat, and WWE loves it. Bit of a weird criticism.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 20, 2014 15:07:58 GMT -5
The Rock just comes off like such a disingenuous douche these days. His ultra bright smile, his pandering to the crowd. It's nauseating. And I loved him back in the day. Eh. If I had the sort of success Rock had, and was able to mostly get out before becoming a broken down husk like Hogan or Flair, and yet STILL was able to punch my own ticket back to show up every now and then because the Live Crowds still loved me, I'd smile as much as Rock does too. It doesn't have to be all about suffering and misery, man.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 20, 2014 15:10:04 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining. He said it was envy. Did you even read it, or just read the title and make up a narrative to go along with it?
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 20, 2014 15:11:29 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining. Sadly, the only way they'll be able to 'step up' to that level is by developing time travel and debuting in the mid-90s, because if anyone in the locker room showed up and did exactly the same promo Rock did, with all the same timing, lines and everything, they'd do it to crickets.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 20, 2014 15:17:54 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining. He said it was envy. Did you even read it, or just read the title and make up a narrative to go along with it? Yeah of course dude I'm sorry if it came out wrong, just tried to make a joke.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 20, 2014 15:18:43 GMT -5
Much like Cena and Punk before him, Seth makes it known he wants to wrestle Rocky.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 20, 2014 15:20:41 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining. You have to actually be given opportunities to step up.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 20, 2014 15:21:43 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining. Sadly, the only way they'll be able to 'step up' to that level is by developing time travel and debuting in the mid-90s, because if anyone in the locker room showed up and did exactly the same promo Rock did, with all the same timing, lines and everything, they'd do it to crickets. Double post sorry, yeah of course that the rock gets away with that because it's his style, the crowd got used to it, it was trial and error, there are clips from 98 where even he got crickets. What I meant by stepping up, was trying to engage the crowd, kinda like the yes chants or something. I understand why the guys are envious of the rock, but I believe that at least one of the current stars can achieve that level
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Post by eJm on Oct 20, 2014 15:22:08 GMT -5
So here's what I never understand about these criticisms about The Rock or other part timers from people presently on the roster; why do they blame the person who was brought in and not the people booking the show?
Like, even though Rollins talks about envy, he acts like Rock just decided to show up in Brooklyn a few minutes before Rusev finished his promo and said ''This is now my slot'' and went out there. Someone in the WWE, probably Vince or HHH, made the call to get Rock in, they booked the show with him coming in mind and did the segment.
The question these guys SHOULD be asking is why on Earth is the company still relying on these guys and letting people who could be the new generation getting hampered with de-pushes and losing streaks?
I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, I'm saying he's targeting the wrong horse. Not that he was going to go in an interview 'The company is scum for constantly bringing these guys back!'
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 20, 2014 15:31:59 GMT -5
Most wrestlers know that publicly putting down the guys who write every word that comes out of your mouth on TV isn't a great way to be given something better to work with.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 20, 2014 15:34:38 GMT -5
Most of these part timers are in a position where they don't need WWE and have the pull to veto a decision that the company makes or give some kind of input that would be beneficial to others.
The way the part timers are used aren't very productive and don't benefit anyone. The Rock's presence should be used as a safety net so that WWE can be more comfortable with trying new things like putting someone new in the title scene or even allowing a lesser talent to have a match on TV without the fear of the ratings/attendance taking a nosedive.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Oct 20, 2014 15:40:58 GMT -5
The Rock just comes off like such a disingenuous douche these days. His ultra bright smile, his pandering to the crowd. It's nauseating. And I loved him back in the day. Really? Cause a lot of guys talk about how awesome Rocky is to everybody when he's actually around. Curt Hawkins talked about how easy it was to be around Rock and help him get back into shape and Ricardo made similar claims about him being friendly and actually complimenting lower card guys on their work. Then there's also going out of his way to give praise to guys like Bobby Roode and Kevin Steen. I think the Rock enjoys when he shows up and I still believe a lot of people are angry how he doesn't even need to try to get the crowd going
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 15:41:03 GMT -5
I for one anxiously await for the day when Rollins calls out Mick Foley for saying "right here in Cleveland, Ohio!" <thumbs up> Seth Rollins: dealing with the pressing issues in wrestling.
I get the resentment, envy, jealousy, or whatever term that one wants to use in relation to Rocky showing up, but at the end of the day the Rock earned the right by being one of the biggest stars in wrestling history.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 15:47:25 GMT -5
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I wish. But maybe it ties in with Rock/HHH? Doubtful but those are some pointed comments.
On Rock's cheap pop deal, it works for him because he has this versatile, wide-ranging personality, and he's very well-traveled. So it's believeable that he's actually into the stuff he references. Like I bet Rock loves Jay-Z. And crackheads.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 20, 2014 15:56:11 GMT -5
Man Rollins should just shut his mouth and know his role...lol, yeah I bet the locker room is jealous because the rock can get a bigger reaction just by reading the phone book or something, they should step up instead of complaining. You have to actually be given opportunities to step up. You can't wait to be given an opportunity, look at Bryan he took it, he created (actually he stole it from Diego Sanchez who stole it from Tony Robbins lol) he wasnt seen as a player, he forced them to change their minds. They didn't think Austin was gonna sell a shirt, Mick Foley admitted that when he was asked about the future of Rocky Maivia, he said that they should've fired him to save money. You can't wait for a shot, ok I know he's not a new star, but look at Randy Orton, he's just having an opportunity to become mainstream after the rko vines, he needs to make the most of it, then there will come a point where the company has no chance but to push him. It's tough because you can't predict what's gonna work with the crowd or not, but you can't expect to get a push. Austin came up with the stone cold name by accident, the rock's promos? He used to do them back in college.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 20, 2014 16:08:47 GMT -5
You have to actually be given opportunities to step up. You can't wait to be given an opportunity, look at Bryan he took it, he created (actually he stole it from Diego Sanchez who stole it from Tony Robbins lol) he wasnt seen as a player, he forced them to change their minds. They didn't think Austin was gonna sell a shirt, Mick Foley admitted that when he was asked about the future of Rocky Maivia, he said that they should've fired him to save money. You can't wait for a shot, ok I know he's not a new star, but look at Randy Orton, he's just having an opportunity to become mainstream after the rko vines, he needs to make the most of it, then there will come a point where the company has no chance but to push him. It's tough because you can't predict what's gonna work with the crowd or not, but you can't expect to get a push. Austin came up with the stone cold name by accident, the rock's promos? He used to do them back in college. Randy Orton is a guy that WWE were going to push at a high level no matter what even if the RKO Vines never became a thing. Same thing with the Rock even if he didn't find his niche with those promos. They are the chosen ones. Bryan is the best wrestler in the world. He shouldn't have had to force WWE to push him. They should've pushed him on the grounds of just being that f***ing good. He found the YES! Chants and it still took them two years to actually try with him. No one is going to sell merchandise if WWE doesn't actually produce merchandise for them. You can come up with all the gimmicks in the world, and you can be a charismatic machine in the ring, but if you aren't given the chance to show it off on TV, in front of the crowd, and WWE is openly telling the fans not to care about their work, what's the point?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 20, 2014 16:24:56 GMT -5
You can't wait to be given an opportunity, look at Bryan he took it, he created (actually he stole it from Diego Sanchez who stole it from Tony Robbins lol) he wasnt seen as a player, he forced them to change their minds. They didn't think Austin was gonna sell a shirt, Mick Foley admitted that when he was asked about the future of Rocky Maivia, he said that they should've fired him to save money. You can't wait for a shot, ok I know he's not a new star, but look at Randy Orton, he's just having an opportunity to become mainstream after the rko vines, he needs to make the most of it, then there will come a point where the company has no chance but to push him. It's tough because you can't predict what's gonna work with the crowd or not, but you can't expect to get a push. Austin came up with the stone cold name by accident, the rock's promos? He used to do them back in college. Randy Orton is a guy that WWE were going to push at a high level no matter what even if the RKO Vines never became a thing. Same thing with the Rock even if he didn't find his niche with those promos. They are the chosen ones. Bryan is the best wrestler in the world. He shouldn't have had to force WWE to push him. They should've pushed him on the grounds of just being that f***ing good. He found the YES! Chants and it still took them two years to actually try with him. No one is going to sell merchandise if WWE doesn't actually produce merchandise for them. You can come up with all the gimmicks in the world, and you can be a charismatic machine in the ring, but if you aren't given the chance to show it off on TV, in front of the crowd, and WWE is openly telling the fans not to care about their work, what's the point? Yeah man but the rock was about to get let go, he had to think outside of the box, I still maintain that you can force their hand. Cena was getting nowhere and someone in creative heard him rapping on a tour. It's gonna be a slow process but it's like tommy dreamer once said, "once you're over, nobody can f*** with you."
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