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Post by BrianZane on Oct 20, 2014 17:39:09 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people who are upset that Brock Lesnar is off TV for so long while holding the WWE Championship. My question is...
Isn't this roughly the same series of events that people wanted CM Punk to have in 2011 when he won the championship? He would win the title, his contract would expire and then there would be several months where he was not on television. What makes that storyline idea ok while so many other people pooh-pooh Lesnar doing it?
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Post by Nickybojelais on Oct 20, 2014 17:57:56 GMT -5
Interesting point.
But I think the difference is the disappearance of the title could still have been featured as a weekly storyline during Punk's reign. It could have been kept relevent via the announcers speculating on the current title situation, Vince making announcements on what is happening, even Punk himself sending in videos of his antics whilst holding the title hostage.
Whereas today, Lesnar's schedule is ensuring that the belt is completely ignored on weekly tv until Lesnar decides to graces us with a rare appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:12:10 GMT -5
What a lot of people overlook is that in the days before there were monthly PPVs and three or four weekly shows, the Champion rarely appeared on television, and when he did, it was often just for an interview to hype the upcoming show at the Garden or the Spectrum. I look at it as a cool callback to days gone by.
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Post by bootytea on Oct 20, 2014 18:27:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind it as much if they had a storyline reason for it. All this reign is telling me is that Brock is doing things more important than the show.
The other issue is that they have fed the only credible guy to Brock, and I can't even take anyone else as a serious threat. Maybe Randy Orton, but I can't imagine that match being very good.
Right now, Seth Rollins seems like he will be the only other person besides John to take on Brock, which to me is quite a laughable match in terms of believability.
Brock was great as a shock appearance, but having him as the main guy has kind of cheapened the title, as well as put the bookers in a tough spot where they don't have any contenders that look like legitimate threats.
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Post by KobashiChop on Oct 20, 2014 18:31:13 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people who are upset that Brock Lesnar is off TV for so long while holding the WWE Championship. My question is... Isn't this roughly the same series of events that people wanted CM Punk to have in 2011 when he won the championship? He would win the title, his contract would expire and then there would be several months where he was not on television. What makes that storyline idea ok while so many other people pooh-pooh Lesnar doing it? Because the fact that the WWE title is kept off the show by an absentee champion isnt a storyline. They barely mention it. At least bring Heyman out or something.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 20, 2014 18:41:27 GMT -5
I think the difference is that there was a story behind Punk not being on the show. Right now Lesnar isn't there just because.
I don't have a problem with it personally, but it would be nice if WWE had bothered to explain why he was getting away from defending the title.
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Post by RIHT on Oct 20, 2014 18:42:56 GMT -5
Eh, the thing is, CM Punk's storyline was built about screwing over Vince and the corporate honchos, so going home with the title in an act of rebellion makes sense and could have been done well with possible outside appearances. Lesnar's storyline is built around demolishing everyone in his path and conquering WWE, while all that's happened to him (or because of him) since winning the title was Cena burying Wyatt to make up for the loss, then a dumb match at NOC with a stupid ending, all with Lesnar just leaving. Had maybe Lesnar received the title on the Raw after SS and him and Cena were gone for months, maybe it'd be better, but now it's kind of dumb since many want to see Lesnar on Raw and PPV.
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 20, 2014 18:45:03 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people who are upset that Brock Lesnar is off TV for so long while holding the WWE Championship. My question is... Isn't this roughly the same series of events that people wanted CM Punk to have in 2011 when he won the championship? He would win the title, his contract would expire and then there would be several months where he was not on television. What makes that storyline idea ok while so many other people pooh-pooh Lesnar doing it? I want to read about the worst action figures. How do I do that?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 20, 2014 18:55:11 GMT -5
Edit: I made this post before Raw. Some of my concerns were addressed.
Punk being an absent champion never really came to fruition, so I don't see how we're supposed to compare that to Lesnar today.
For the record, I never complained about Lesnar being an absent champion.
However, I don't like how Lesnar has been essentially persona non grata since Night of Champions. We knew Lesnar would not be on TV every week, but we didn't know he would almost never be mentioned on TV by the broadcasters, superstars, etc. and that Paul Heyman would also be gone from TV. I feel like the Authority and/or Paul Heyman should have addressed why Brock was absent.
It would be as simple as explaining that Brock Lesnar's contract has it built-in that he appears whenever and wherever he wants and he would not be bound by traditional obligations to defend championships within a 30 day period. This would have been so simple to have Heyman or Triple H state this. You could have had the key players bringing up Lesnar as part of their promos. You could have had Rollins make a snide comment like, "What good is it to haul this briefcase around when there's no champion here to cash-in on!" You could have sent a camera crew to the Great White North to film him hunting and get some comments from him about when he might return to defend the championship. Paul Heyman could have had a bigger presence in Brock's absence. Again, it just feels like the WWE World Heavyweight Champion has been persona non grata and not mentioned by anyone in WWE.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 20, 2014 18:57:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Cena at least hinted at Lesnar's absence, saying that if Brock won the belt, that he'd show up "when he felt like it," and thus wasn't worthy of being a champion. There announcers haven't talked about it, but really, why would they draw attention to a guy who's probably not going to be around for another 3 months?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 20, 2014 19:31:49 GMT -5
Because they were crowning a new WWE Champion to face Punk whenever he decided to show back up. There would still be a champion on TV.
Personally I like not having a champion on TV. Make the people pay to see Lesnar. I'm dumbfounded as to why the U.S. and IC champs aren't main eventing Raw and Smackdown in his absence though. Oh wait, WWE...
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Post by BrianZane on Oct 20, 2014 19:46:45 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people who are upset that Brock Lesnar is off TV for so long while holding the WWE Championship. My question is... Isn't this roughly the same series of events that people wanted CM Punk to have in 2011 when he won the championship? He would win the title, his contract would expire and then there would be several months where he was not on television. What makes that storyline idea ok while so many other people pooh-pooh Lesnar doing it? I want to read about the worst action figures. How do I do that? The link should be on this forum's news fader. If not, go to the link at the bottom of this post or visit Blip.tv/wrestlingwithwregret and look for the link there! Enjoy! www.freakinawesomenetwork.net/2014/10/wrestling-with-wregret-wrestlings-worst-action-figures/
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Post by Spider2024 on Oct 20, 2014 19:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by saintpat on Oct 20, 2014 19:56:10 GMT -5
They had a built-in way to go with this and I wish they had: frustrated at every turn, the Authority has to make a deal with the devil (or his Beast Incarnate) to get the belt off its opposition ... but now they have created a worse situation in that they can't make Brock do what they want. He doesn't show up on TV, doesn't defend the title on a regular basis, basically won it and walks only to return whenever he feels like it.
I'd rather have seen this, with the Authority feeling pressure from the Board of Directors to get the champion, or at least the championship, back in the fold ... making the Authority turn to whoever and whatever means necessary to either control Brock or to beat him to get the belt back. Or they could strip him and put it on Orton or Seth and then have Brock do the "I'm the real champ" return, lots of decent storylines that could have worked to take it all the way to WM if they had chosen.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball☝🏻 on Oct 20, 2014 21:24:18 GMT -5
All this storyline does is tell me Lesnar is gonna show up when he has a worthy opponent, instead of a trillion worthless title matches, you know, like a champion of anything would do.
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Post by came2piecesinmyhands on Oct 22, 2014 14:55:00 GMT -5
Brock was great as a shock appearance, but having him as the main guy has kind of cheapened the title He the is the one champion at present whose reign HASN'T cheapened the title. If anything cheapened the title is was the ridiculous NOC match which made Brock look like slightly less of a monster at the expense of a giant square-headed douche-baby in a baseball hat (with a preacher voice).
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Post by Dean-o on Oct 22, 2014 15:50:27 GMT -5
It's because he's treated as if he doesn't exist. Everybody in the company doesn't seem to have a problem with him taking the belt and going home with it. Talk about a burial.
The WWE could have used this time to strengthen their mid card belts but instead they are jobbed out on television every week and they wonder why we don't care about them.
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Post by bootytea on Oct 23, 2014 19:19:40 GMT -5
Brock was great as a shock appearance, but having him as the main guy has kind of cheapened the title He the is the one champion at present whose reign HASN'T cheapened the title. If anything cheapened the title is was the ridiculous NOC match which made Brock look like slightly less of a monster at the expense of a giant square-headed douche-baby in a baseball hat (with a preacher voice). I mean in terms of how important it is to the title holder. The message Brock is telling people is that he has better things to do than defend it.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Oct 23, 2014 19:36:28 GMT -5
He the is the one champion at present whose reign HASN'T cheapened the title. If anything cheapened the title is was the ridiculous NOC match which made Brock look like slightly less of a monster at the expense of a giant square-headed douche-baby in a baseball hat (with a preacher voice). I mean in terms of how important it is to the title holder. The message Brock is telling people is that he has better things to do than defend it. Unless I've missed Lesnar literally telling people this, I don't get that message from him holding the title at all. What I see is a title and title-holder who are a bit of a throwback to when the main guy(s) weren't on TV every week. The title wasn't defended every month. Hell, at that time you could defend the title on every PPV and it could be 1-4 a year, then add a few MSG shows and whatnot to that. The biggest problem with the current title situation that makes it SEEM that there's a void with the WWEWHC not being defended on every PPV is the fact that they've treated their secondary and tag titles like they're absolutely meaningless for the past 10 years or so
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 23, 2014 19:38:41 GMT -5
It was part of the storyline. The reason Lesnar is off TV is because f*** wrestling, I've got bucks to hunt.
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